Climate change and wildfire in the Pacific Northwest

[NewsSource]

From that same article I posted before:

This level of fire activity is consistent with what the Pacific Northwest may have to contend with more as climate change intensifies.

Another qualifier. I want proof. "May have to contend" isn't science.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Another qualifier. I want proof. "May have to contend" isn't science.

I know how you feel about the science . . . just showing that I think this wildfire thing is going to get worse. If you don't want to think so, that's fine.

I hope Wyden gets the money to deal with this problem this year and more money to deal with good forestry management in future years or this will cost Oregonians billions, IMO. Just hoping this isn't a pattern is too risky.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If god didn't want forest fires he wouldn't have created lightening.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

We are having a bit of a thunderstorm this morning. We rarely have thunderstorms here. Surely it's man made global warming!

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Authorities now say 14 people, including a 15-year-old, have been struck by lightning during rare summer thunderstorms that have swept through Southern California, injuring two critically.

Yikes!

 

[Denny Crane]

Can you possibly fathom that any random natural event is blamed on AGW; it's scaremongering.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

It's all random shit . . . people have nothing to do with anything

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Can you possibly fathom that any random natural event is blamed on AGW; it's scaremongering.

Earthquakes.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Can you possibly fathom that any random natural event is blamed on AGW; it's scaremongering.

Volcanic eruptions.

 

[Denny Crane]

Earthquakes.

http://www.alternet.org/newsandview...d_link_between_global_warming_and_earthquakes

 

[Denny Crane]

Volcanic eruptions.

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...l-warming-pause-scientists-claim-9147856.html

 

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.alternet.org/newsandview...d_link_between_global_warming_and_earthquakes

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...l-warming-pause-scientists-claim-9147856.html

Asteroid impacts.

 

[riverman]

I say hire the artist Cristo to drape the poles and let them freeze back up again

 

[Denny Crane]

Asteroid impacts.

http://www.ecoenquirer.com/global-warming-asteroid.htm

 

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.ecoenquirer.com/global-warming-asteroid.htm

Zombies.

 

[Denny Crane]

Zombies.

http://guardianlv.com/2014/03/will-global-warming-bring-about-the-walking-dead/

When scientists recently found a 30,000 year old “giant” virus named Pithovirus sibericum, perhaps it brought the thought to mind that many other contagions might be exposed with the impact global warming has on the planet. The virus scientists found however, is not one that can infect humans, but it can infect amoeba.

...

However, Jean-Michel Claverie, a professor at The National Center for Scientific Research, was one who worked on the study involving the 30,000 year old virus. Claverie warns of the possibility of a smallpox comeback, though he did not confirm this would happen.

“Smallpox is not eradicated from the planet – only the surface,” warns Claverie, if the virus and the amoeba survive in the same way. Global warming is a huge issue which should not be taken lightly. Perhaps someone should bring all of these imaginative souls, (people who are obsessed about The Walking Dead) together to form a real action plan against this world’s inevitable future.

 

[riverman]

several years ago a Japanese think tank genius was asked to study global warming and his conclusion was to change color. Tires, asphalt, rooftops, roads etc should never be black, he suggested light blue. According to him we've completely ignored the effect of color on the planet's temperature. Sell your black beemers today folks! He concluded black rubber tires are designed to wear out faster so you'll buy more.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

http://guardianlv.com/2014/03/will-global-warming-bring-about-the-walking-dead/

When scientists recently found a 30,000 year old “giant” virus named Pithovirus sibericum, perhaps it brought the thought to mind that many other contagions might be exposed with the impact global warming has on the planet. The virus scientists found however, is not one that can infect humans, but it can infect amoeba.

...

However, Jean-Michel Claverie, a professor at The National Center for Scientific Research, was one who worked on the study involving the 30,000 year old virus. Claverie warns of the possibility of a smallpox comeback, though he did not confirm this would happen.

“Smallpox is not eradicated from the planet – only the surface,” warns Claverie, if the virus and the amoeba survive in the same way. Global warming is a huge issue which should not be taken lightly. Perhaps someone should bring all of these imaginative souls, (people who are obsessed about The Walking Dead) together to form a real action plan against this world’s inevitable future.

Vampires.

 

[Denny Crane]

several years ago a Japanese think tank genius was asked to study global warming and his conclusion was to change color. Tires, asphalt, rooftops, roads etc should never be black, he suggested light blue. According to him we've completely ignored the effect of color on the planet's temperature. Sell your black beemers today folks! He concluded black rubber tires are designed to wear out faster so you'll buy more.

Yep. It's called Albedo.

The smaller the glaciers have become, the less white surface to reflect radiation back into space.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

several years ago a Japanese think tank genius was asked to study global warming and his conclusion was to change color. Tires, asphalt, rooftops, roads etc should never be black, he suggested light blue. According to him we've completely ignored the effect of color on the planet's temperature. Sell your black beemers today folks! He concluded black rubber tires are designed to wear out faster so you'll buy more.

 

[Denny Crane]

Vampires.

http://www.batcon.org/index.php/media-and-info/bats-archives.html?task=viewArticle&magArticleID=1014

Climate Change and Bats

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To begin examining some probable impacts of climate change on bats, we chose the common vampire (Desmodus rotundus) – an opportunistic species that is especially sensitive to low temperatures. One of only three bat species that feed on blood, the common vampire (limited to Mexico, Central and South America) will probably see its range expand dramatically northward. And it will bring a number of challenges along with it.

 

[riverman]

Nah, that's african american. Making tires out of the kid would be racist.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

This wildfire issue is interesting with global warming issue.

With budgets being what they are (never enough money) do you allocate more money to wildfire prevention. If one believes this type of summer is one or so every 40 yrs (being compared to wildfires in the 70's), then you don't allocate more money to it. If one believes this is a trend that will continue and get worse, you almost have to allocate more money to wildfire prevention (even with no money available) given the millions it costs the state when summer like this happen.

I hope they allocate more money to this issue . . . but obviously I fall on the side of believing wildfires will continue to worsen as global warming continues.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This wildfire issue is interesting with global warming issue.

With budgets being what they are (never enough money) do you allocate more money to wildfire prevention. If one believes this type of summer is one or so every 40 yrs (being compared to wildfires in the 70's), then you don't allocate more money to it. If one believes this is a trend that will continue and get worse, you almost have to allocate more money to wildfire prevention (even with no money available) given the millions it costs the state when summer like this happen.

I hope they allocate more money to this issue . . . but obviously I fall on the side of believing wildfires will continue to worsen as global warming continues.

Do what Denny does, if you don't believe in forest fires then they won't occur. It's what he does with Global Warming and it seems to work great!

 

[riverman]

The Chinese had a forest fire solution, they just clear cut all the forests and turned the country into a vast desert allowing diplomatic relations with Norway to thrive as they buy icebergs from Norway to bottle into drinking water. No trees, no forest fires.

 

[Denny Crane]

Do what Denny does, if you don't believe in forest fires then they won't occur. It's what he does with Global Warming and it seems to work great!

Of course fires exist. They have nothing to do with global warming though.

 

[Further]

I have no idea if our wildfire situation is related to some global climate change. It's too easy to pick any few incidence and assign a cause that doesn't apply. It's why we also must separate weather from climate. You get a hot day, that may or may not be related to climate change. You get enough hot days year over year to show a trend, that's something to pay attention to with regards to climate change. You see the sea levels rise, that's a possible indicator of climate change. You have worsening wildfires globally year over year, that's something you may be able to connect to climate change. I haven't heard that this is the case. So for me, it's just a bad wildfire season. We need to be honest about evidence and not scaremonger or it bites our very valid theories in the ass. Aim for clarity and then perhaps more will see the truth.

 

[Denny Crane]

I have no idea if our wildfire situation is related to some global climate change. It's too easy to pick any few incidence and assign a cause that doesn't apply. It's why we also must separate weather from climate. You get a hot day, that may or may not be related to climate change. You get enough hot days year over year to show a trend, that's something to pay attention to with regards to climate change. You see the sea levels rise, that's a possible indicator of climate change. You have worsening wildfires globally year over year, that's something you may be able to connect to climate change. I haven't heard that this is the case. So for me, it's just a bad wildfire season. We need to be honest about evidence and not scaremonger or it bites our very valid theories in the ass. Aim for clarity and then perhaps more will see the truth.

See post #44 in this thread.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Of course fires exist. They have nothing to do with global warming though.

No, corporations are people, fires aren't.

 

[Further]

See post #44 in this thread.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/coolest-summer-on-record-in-the-us/

Coolest Summer On Record In The US
Posted on July 26, 2014 by stevengoddard

The frequency of 90 degree days in the US has been plummeting for 80 years, and 2014 has had the lowest frequency of 90 degree days through July 23 on record. The only other year which came close was 1992, and that was due to dust in the atmosphere from Mt Pinatubo.

This appears to me to be one piece of information without the rest. How many days have been 80 - 90? What has been happening to the mean temp? What has been happening to the cold days, have they been warming? For those days that do break 90, are they going higher than they had in the past?

It's fine to point that out, I assume it's relevant. But it also must be understood in relation to many other variables. It's possible for your statement to be totally true and still have global climate change affected by humans, even global warming. I am not a climate scientist, I don't know all the facts, nor do I understand how all those facts come together. That's why we build those models, to try and understand all the complications.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

This appears to me to be one piece of information without the rest. How many days have been 80 - 90? What has been happening to the mean temp? What has been happening to the cold days, have they been warming? For those days that do break 90, are they going higher than they had in the past?

It's fine to point that out, I assume it's relevant. But it also must be understood in relation to many other variables. It's possible for your statement to be totally true and still have global climate change affected by humans, even global warming. I am not a climate scientist, I don't know all the facts, nor do I understand how all those facts come together. That's why we build those models, to try and understand all the complications.

Absolutely, Denny attacks so much of the science out there and then throw out a meaningless fact like it means something.