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MarAzul said:
Yes Cup, I know you have no idea. But it did make me chuckle. So I thought I would share just a bit of what I find amusing in this area if not specific to your question.

I have posted more than once about being, three times a Beaver. Beginning there and doing most of my freshman year at Oregon State, for Football with Tommy Prothro and Slates Gile in Basket Ball. Not being able to stay because I had to do the military which I did with the US Navy. Only got to play freshman games there and few they were, but very memorable in my mind.

That was the first time as a Beaver. It was all paid for by Oregon State. (College in those day I think, they had not yet changed to OSU.)

The next time as a Beaver was at another school, that also has the Beaver as the mascot, Caltech. I thought that amusing at the time, but it is worth note, it is the only time I got a chance to play varsity. Basketball, but I sure would loved to have done Football.
Interesting game too while there, playing for the Beaver Basketball trophy, between Caltech and MIT. Great experience! I cherish it now, but the appreciation had to wait for later. That was the second time as a Beaver. Paid for by Western Electric and made possible by the US Navy. Where I studied Mathematics and Ballistics while working a joint project between the USN, Western Electric, and... Hughes?

Then later, another time as a Beaver, MIT, which as mentioned above, has the Beaver as their mascot. Then I was working for IBM and I was there as a grad student to work a joint project, to do with Computers of course. But while I chuckle about being three times a Beaver, I suppose it really isn't true, I didn't play any sports there. Just worked my ass off, but I loved the daily trip over the Charles river to the lab. It was usually dark when I returned. Paid for by IBM.

Then there was the time I (IBM) had a contracted to work at Scripps, as math/Computer systems specialist in the Oceanography department. They paid and I took what I could. I use it today.

Then there was the time I hired a Doctor from the Cal system to come to work for me , with psychology. Sort of and in house masters course to help with developing a Development team course.

There is more, but enough.
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That was a lot of wasted words and drivel just to say that you don't have a degree in science and especially on climate. Carry on.
 
MarAzul said:
I came back to the MarAzul today, with a arm load of new parts and stuff to tweak the systems. I do believe I make it just a little better every year. Sort of fun to keep making progress.

But before I left home, I watched a bit of news, it seems a 'Climate change Strike' is a big deal today?
I did not spend too much time checking it out, but two young ladies interviewed were really giving off the genuine vibes of real fear of only having 12 years left if they can not affect immediate change upon the whole planet!!!

Had to hit the road at that point. But it does strike me as the most asinine, disingenuous, if not despicable hoax I have every seen played out in my life time. The liberal asses that install this level fear in the younger population do in fact need and deserve to have their combined asses kicked.

The idea that Climate change should be used to invoke this level of fear in anyone for any reason is despicable.

First off we know we have climate change, we have been enduring it since the beginning of the history of the planet. The current cycle has been in progress since the emergence of modern man (Cro-Magnon man).
It was necessary to allow the complete evolution of the populating the whole earth, less of course Antarctica.

Climate change should not be feared, there is no reason to teach this current fear, but for the reasons of scammers or would be profiteers. All their predictions are hollow, Climate change can not be reversed by men! Hell we do not even know all the boundaries of the cycles. Much less how to alter them. But we do need to understand what is next and how to adapt! Adaptation is what we need, we have that power if we understand next. Reversal is out of the question and to teach dire consequences if we do not achieve reversal, is to waste a great pool of talent that should be put to the solvable tasks.
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That is just silly. You're actually arguing that since the climate naturally changes there is no human caused climate change.

That's like saying since everyone dies, cigarettes aren't bad for you.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That is just silly. You're actually arguing that since the climate naturally changes there is no human caused climate change.

That's like saying since everyone dies, cigarettes aren't bad for you.
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Not bad, but you could use more punch with the simile:

That’s like saying everyone craps; bloody diarrhea isn’t bad for you.
 
I think the climate change issue became a liberal/conservative debate when Al Gore got done inventing the internet and decided to be the lead spokesperson for an inconvenient truth.

Sometimes I wonder about all of the hullabaloo, though. After all, a super volcano, asteroid strike or nuclear war could easily negate the effects of too much CO2.
 
e_blazer said:
Sometimes I wonder about all of the hullabaloo, though. After all, a super volcano, asteroid strike or nuclear war could easily negate the effects of too much CO2.
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So why stop mistakes that we're making when a disaster can do it for us? I mean come on, you're not wrong but all three of those could mean the elimination of humankind.
 
By the way, at 7.5 billion human inhabitants of planet Earth, and given that we’re composed of more than 18% carbon, we need to consider our direct impact on global warming. I mean, this whole nonsense of cremation has to stop. We need to isolate our biological waste in some deep, dark cave. Or maybe seal our corpses in glass. Better yet, just recycle the carbon. Soylent Green!
 
Euthanasia is legal in Oregon...for those who think we need to depopulate....there's a waiting list. Take one for the team damnit!
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
That is just silly.
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Right. Well I must admit, you do surprise me dog.
I think it was just about the time I met you that I attended a presentation about the earths Glaciers. The prediction was, all between 30s and 30N be gone in 25 to 30 years. It appears to be about on track, they will be gone on schedule. I suspect a few beyond the latitude constraint.

This is still happening dispite the reductions in the US over the past dozen years.

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None of the proposals by any of the want a be leaders will reverse this happening. None will lower the sea level. They are fear mongering while seeking control.
I see nothing silly about calling it what it is.
 
I believe we all could/should be better stewards of our planet. At this point in time, plastics pollution of our oceans seems to be of a more critical concern to me. I don't see near the outrage concerning that issue, however. I would venture to say that most (including myself) don't really give a whit when discarding that plastic bottle, utensil, packaging, container, fill-in-the-blank-here item. Sadly, we are choking our water ecosystem with this debris. I'm trying to be better.
 
ABM said:
I believe we all could/should be better stewards of our planet. At this point in time, plastics pollution of our oceans seems to be of a more critical concern to me. I don't see near the outrage concerning that issue, however. I would venture to say that most (including myself) don't really give a whit when discarding that plastic bottle, utensil, packaging, container, fill-in-the-blank-here item. Sadly, we are choking our water ecosystem with this debris. I'm trying to be better.
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It's all part of the equation. Do a search on the effect of plastic bottles and climate change.
 
CupWizier said:
It's all part of the equation. Do a search on the effect of plastic bottles and climate change.
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The frackt of the matter is, you're probably correct.
 
I think any forward thinking society would look at how you keep a low carbon footprint for the long term view...not so much out of fear but out of energy mangagement...I was confined to the ship for two weeks and lost a paygrade in the Navy for refusing to throw plastic crap in the ocean on a garbage detail...aerosol cans...red lead paint buckets..etc...proudly took the punishment to stand up for my beliefs at the time...the weird thing is I was confined to the ship while we were at sea the whole two weeks...as if I'd go for a swim and be awol.
 
ABM said:
I believe we all could/should be better stewards of our planet. At this point in time, plastics pollution of our oceans seems to be of a more critical concern to me. I don't see near the outrage concerning that issue, however. I would venture to say that most (including myself) don't really give a whit when discarding that plastic bottle, utensil, packaging, container, fill-in-the-blank-here item. Sadly, we are choking our water ecosystem with this debris. I'm trying to be better.
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There is a long beach, about 12 miles of it, south of Bandon to the mouth of the Sixes River. Very isolated with almost no human traffic as the BLM closes it at most of it at the access points to protect the Snowy Plover nesting grounds.
So this beach collects Pacific debris, mostly undisturbed except by a few adventurous souls, like my neighbor. Most of this stuff is fishing tackle, nets, floats, lines, bumpers and the like. Most of it comes from Asia or the western Pacific.
A hell of a lot of it circles for years in the the big eddy, about 137W 38N or the Gulf of Alaska. But a little spins off every so often and the bulk of it collects on this beach, on the North side of Cape Blanco. The most westerly Cape on the US Pacific Coast.

The wind howls ashore here, blowing in a clockwise cycle around the North Pacific high, squeezed into a venturi at this point between the High and Cape Blanco. If it gets past this point, it may well go around again.

You can see the probables in the chart of the Pacific Currents.
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MarAzul said:
There is a long beach, about 12 miles of it, south of Bandon to the mouth of the Sixes River. Very isolated with almost no human traffic as the BLM closes it at most of it at the access points to protect the Snowy Plover nesting grounds.
So this beach collects Pacific debris, mostly undisturbed except by a few adventurous souls, like my neighbor. Most of this stuff is fishing tackle, nets, floats, lines, bumpers and the like. Most of it comes from Asia or the western Pacific.
A hell of a lot of it circles for years in the the big eddy, about 137W 38N or the Gulf of Alaska. But a little spins off every so often and the bulk of it collects on this beach, on the North side of Cape Blanco, the most westerly Cape on the US Pacific Coast.

The wind howl ashore here, blowing in a clockwise cycle around the North Pacific high, squeezed into a venturi at this point between the High and Cape Blanco. If it gets past this point, it may well go around again.

You can see the probables in the chart of the Pacific Currents.
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why did you feel the need to start a thread essentially discussing the same thing you started a few months ago? Maybe the mods should merge them.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/yes-we-have-climate-change-that-no-tax-will-change.345960/page-2
 
Shaboid said:
As a somewhat novice on this specific topic (I have taken many chemistry classes in high school and college, so I'm not a complete dummy) I found this article informative. Take it for what it's worth.

https://www.inverse.com/article/59392-climate-change-misconceptions-debunked
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Interesting article. But it changes my view of the Charlatans waving their arms in feign fright, none. We do have climate change, and I think I see more, not that far off. Modern humans have not lived through this part of the cycle before, and if we expect to
survive it, we best prep to adapt. The Charlatans are not in the game, we can not change the cycle, we can only adapt to the cycles. That indeed could mean far fewer of us are supportable with less resources available like farm land, and sea sources, even fresh water for farming.
 
riverman said:
I think any forward thinking society would look at how you keep a low carbon footprint for the long term view...not so much out of fear but out of energy mangagement...I was confined to the ship for two weeks and lost a paygrade in the Navy for refusing to throw plastic crap in the ocean on a garbage detail...aerosol cans...red lead paint buckets..etc...proudly took the punishment to stand up for my beliefs at the time...the weird thing is I was confined to the ship while we were at sea the whole two weeks...as if I'd go for a swim and be awol.
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Ha!
You need to be a committed to feel good about that one. I didn't get a chance at any options like that one. As a new Fire Controlman, it was standard custom to get a run in the scullery. Wonderful character building.
 
In resent history, we have been seeing historic levels of flooding on the Missouri river, usually in June.
As some of you may know, June is also the the month of the highest normal water flows of the Columbia River. However it has been many years since we have seen actually flooding of the Columbia. Like the flood that wiped out VanPort on the evening of May 30 1948. Changing the character of N Portland forever.
Whether it is the Missouri, or the Columbia, is all a matter of a few miles of where the Jet Stream is at that time of the year.

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Some observations.
We know the Largest of rivers have some what been reduced in flow into the Pacific. The largest flow of the Columbia occurred in 1894 at 1.2 million CF/second in June. It may have been near that again in 1948 (Vanport). But no where near this again.
While the same can not be said for the Missouri River.
While the Columbia is the largest River by a safe margin that flows into the Pacific, the other river that drained half the Continent into the Pacific, the Colorado does not now even reach the Pacific at all any longer.
We also know that the largest of the rivers in Asia are also slowly being reduced in volume and Flood maximums. I think China has dammed everyone that flows from Asia through China. This helps control the floods but also help reduce the over all flow of the rivers, which many now have lost most of their Glaciers near the source.

So Why then is the flow northward through the Bering strait continuing as strong as always, bringing heat to the Arctic. Well according to these researchers, it is the Yukon River, mouth in the Bering Sea and increased flow in the Umiack Pass from run offs in the Gulf of Alaska.

"[8]Runoff onto the Bering shelf is ∼320 km3yr−1, of which ∼200 km3yr−1comes from the Yukon (gauged at Pilot Station); ∼30 km3yr−1from the Anadyr (gauged at Snezjnoje) [http://www.r-arcticnet.sr.unh.edu/]; ∼75 km3yr−1from the Kuskokwim, Nushagak, and Kvichak [http://nwis.waterdata.usgs.gov/ak/nwis/nwis]; and perhaps 10–20 km3yr−1from other or ungauged streams, including those joining the Anadyr downstream of Snezjnoje.

[9]Additionally, a significant portion of the very large runoff into the Gulf of Alaska (GoA) enters onto the Bering shelf through Unimak Pass. Indeed,Weingartner et al.[2005b]argue that this source is a first‐order term in the Bering shelf freshwater balance. We take the annual transport through Unimak Pass as 13,000 km3yr−1[Stabeno et al., 2002], and if we combine their seasonal distribution of barotropic and baroclinic velocity with the measured seasonal salinity cycle (P. J. Stabeno, personal communication, 2006), we get a transport salinity of 31.7 (rounded down to maintain the ∼0.1 salinity difference between Unimak Pass and Bering Strait indicated by the full calculation)."

This suggest more glaciers being consumed to keep the system flowing. Glaciers beyond the 30 30 latitudes to be sure. It can not last. When the flows through the Bering Strait begin to slow, I think we will have reached a toggle point. Events will happen very quickly.
 
MarAzul said:
I came back to the MarAzul today, with a arm load of new parts and stuff to tweak the systems. I do believe I make it just a little better every year. Sort of fun to keep making progress.

But before I left home, I watched a bit of news, it seems a 'Climate change Strike' is a big deal today?
I did not spend too much time checking it out, but two young ladies interviewed were really giving off the genuine vibes of real fear of only having 12 years left if they can not affect immediate change upon the whole planet!!!

Had to hit the road at that point. But it does strike me as the most asinine, disingenuous, if not despicable hoax I have every seen played out in my life time. The liberal asses that install this level fear in the younger population do in fact need and deserve to have their combined asses kicked.

The idea that Climate change should be used to invoke this level of fear in anyone for any reason is despicable.

First off we know we have climate change, we have been enduring it since the beginning of the history of the planet. The current cycle has been in progress since the emergence of modern man (Cro-Magnon man).
It was necessary to allow the complete evolution of the populating the whole earth, less of course Antarctica.

Climate change should not be feared, there is no reason to teach this current fear, but for the reasons of scammers or would be profiteers. All their predictions are hollow, Climate change can not be reversed by men! Hell we do not even know all the boundaries of the cycles. Much less how to alter them. But we do need to understand what is next and how to adapt! Adaptation is what we need, we have that power if we understand next. Reversal is out of the question and to teach dire consequences if we do not achieve reversal, is to waste a great pool of talent that should be put to the solvable tasks.
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Public schools should just be shut down entirely before they start teaching their child-bots to slaughter us all in our sleep.

They teach nothing factual, nothing of value, nothing other than subservience, obedience, and sloth.
 
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