Politics Climate change - What to do?

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Phatguysrule said:
My preference would be to institute a carbon tax (or pollution tax, really) and dividend. We have a board who audits manufacturing all over the world and institutes a tax on items which are not manufactured responsibly. For other countries this would probably be on a country wide level rather than at the item level. So items from China would get a 10% additional tax, for example. Or maybe 40%. Whatever it works out to.

The tax is then handed out to the people of the country the item is manufactured in via a progressive dividend.

The environmental board can handle audits and distributing of the funds. Raise the tax until it's no longer cost effective to manufacture those items irresponsibility.

The dividend would be progressive in nature, so anybody making under $250k would make more money on the dividend than the additional tax would cost them.

It would then be more profitable for manufacturers to make products in a sustainable way.

I would agree with you that we may not have the influence to pull this off for long.

Our politics over the last 30 years or so have been so isolationist that we may be losing the leverage to pull this off if we don't get shit in order soon.
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You understand this will never happen without campaign finance reform, right?
As long as big business buys politicians and leaders, they will never vote things like this in.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
We bought a hybrid a couple of months ago so we did our part.

#ProblemSolved
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This is one reason dogs aren’t asked for opinions on scientific matters:

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BlazerBender said:
You understand this will never happen without campaign finance reform, right?
As long as big business buys politicians and leaders, they will never vote things like this in.
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Or if they do get voted in....they will just as quickly be voted out.
 
Shaboid said:
Well carbon capture it is, not that I wouldn't have wanted that anyway.
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Yep, carbon capture is a must to get back where we were.

The problem is that the people who are pushing it right now (large polluters) are pushing it as a way to keep polluting.

The most important thing is to stop polluting. And to institute proper incentives for everyone to stop polluting.
 
BlazerBender said:
You understand this will never happen without campaign finance reform, right?
As long as big business buys politicians and leaders, they will never vote things like this in.
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Well, if we institute a 1-1 match for freedom credits to corporate political contributions we might be able to. Every voting American is given 100 freedom credits to donate to any politician they choose.

The total number of freedom credits that are donated would be given a value equivalent to all corporate contributions and allocated as they were donated.

Then we would have just as much of a voice as corporate America.
 
Push your state legislators for the following.

1. All new home, apartment, office, retail, and commercial buildings must include a grey water system. Preserving clean drinking water is a huge priority.

2. All new home and apartment builds must have solar.

3. All residential solar installs must be allowed to sell back to the electrical companies or the homeowner must be allowed to go completely off-grid.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Push your state legislators for the following.

1. All new home, apartment, office, retail, and commercial buildings must include a grey water system. Preserving clean drinking water is a huge priority.

2. All new home and apartment builds must have solar.

3. All residential solar installs must be allowed to sell back to the electrical companies or the homeowner must be allowed to go completely off-grid.
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4. 50 cents per bottle tax on bottled water.

5. NO MORE SINGLE USE PLASTICS!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
4. 50 cents per bottle tax on bottled water.

5. NO MORE SINGLE USE PLASTICS!
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6. 50% of our oil must be imported. I'm being completely serious on this. Oil is truly a magical substance. Liquid fucking carbon. For the last 100 years, the number one substance mentioned in US patents was a petroleum derivative. Plastics, biomedical, agricultural, material science, and chemical, to name a few. Oil is far too valuable to burn up. We need a domestic supply of it. Also the faster we burn up the rest of the world's oil supply the stronger we become. The problems in the middle east go away once you cut off their source of wealth.
 
Stevenson said:
Nice pablum but not true. Maybe that makes you feel better?

Coral reefs are dead. Fish infested with micro plastics . Polar ice caps melting. 6th great extinction. Forests aflame the planet over.

Yet humans continue to proliferate. We’re not doing the dying, we’re doing the murdering.
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I remember watching this documentary and it really opened my eyes. I used to be somewhat meh over the climate change issue. Perhaps, I had become a Trumpanzee. Dunno. At any rate, It's a real deal, real problems, and only we (humans) can do something about it. My sister/brother-in-law just returned from an Alaskan cruise. Record high temperatures up there. Glaciers melting away, etc.



Just saw this. I've always loved Billy Joel's music/lyrics....

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-IOS_GK0T-GK1C-GK2C&v=1070997123538563
 
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The pandemic lockdown did a great job of curbing global warming for a couple years....air actually got clear over places like China and Mexico City....plant trees folks...I've planted thousands in my life.....don't drive for entertainment....when possible use public electric transportation such as buses and high speed rail systems. Stop putting concrete everywhere if you own a home...and most importantly...STOP FARTING..I've always kept a low carbon footprint compared to most folks I know. Walk 6 blocks to the store instead of driving there...get a bicycle..or scooter....give up being a pyromaniac!
 
riverman said:
The pandemic lockdown did a great job of curbing global warming for a couple years....air actually got clear over places like China and Mexico City....plant trees folks...I've planted thousands in my life.....don't drive for entertainment....when possible use public electric transportation such as buses and high speed rail systems. Stop putting concrete everywhere if you own a home...and most importantly...STOP FARTING..I've always kept a low carbon footprint compared to most folks I know. Walk 6 blocks to the store instead of driving there...get a bicycle..or scooter....give up being a pyromaniac!
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riverman said:
The pandemic lockdown did a great job of curbing global warming for a couple years....air actually got clear over places like China and Mexico City....plant trees folks...I've planted thousands in my life.....don't drive for entertainment....when possible use public electric transportation such as buses and high speed rail systems. Stop putting concrete everywhere if you own a home...and most importantly...STOP FARTING..I've always kept a low carbon footprint compared to most folks I know. Walk 6 blocks to the store instead of driving there...get a bicycle..or scooter....give up being a pyromaniac!
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Stop farting? Well, now I think I’ll know how to identify riverman when I’m down in the Eugene area: look for the bloated guy looking like the Michelin Man floating over the cruiser bike he’s tethered to.
 
We need a carbon fee and dividend. That's the most effective way to address climate change.

It would be popular, as most Americans would receive a dividend payment every month.

Could Biden do it via executive order? Could he direct the fed to refuse to do business with banks who didn't require their customers verify they are paying the carbon fee?

And then have the Fed send out a tax free progressive dividend to less than wealthy Americans? I'm not sure if the IRS could without congressional approval.

Say, you get cut off at $250k per year.

Would it even be possible to implement?

If this were started now would the people punish any president or congress who took it away?
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Just take away the child tax credit. More people = more climate change.
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We're already going to see a population collapse worldwide. We don't want to exasperate the problem.

And that wouldn't do anything to help the problem anyway.
 
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