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If we got Jordan, extended Dame and re-signed LA those three would make 2/3 of our 16-17 cap (If it indeed goes to 90+mil).
 
Also, if Jordan doesn't want to be third fiddle on the clippers, why do people think he wants to be third fiddle on Portland?

Even if it's four years 75+ million I wouldnt do it. he's not a needle mover to invest that much into imo. A guy that shoots 38ish % from ft and mostly just dunks on offense isn't a guy that I'm wanting to pay that muchfor. I'd Much rather keep the core (hopefully Mathews if he can Still play) together.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Also, if Jordan doesn't want to be third fiddle on the clippers, why do people think he wants to be third fiddle on Portland?

Even if it's four years 75+ million I wouldnt do it. he's not a needle mover to invest that much into imo. A guy that shoots 38ish % from ft and mostly just dunks on offense isn't a guy that I'm wanting to pay that muchfor. I'd Much rather keep the core (hopefully Mathews if he can Still play) together.
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Supposedly there is a real rift between him and Chris Paul. I agree he likely stays but heck its worth Neil making a quick phone call July 1st.
 
Okay my other unlikely hypothetical I'd love to do is again we verbally agree to max deals with DeAndre and LaMarcus early July.

Then somehow talk the Clippers into a sign and trade where they agree to deals with AAA and Freeland. We also include Kaman(nonguaranteed) and Frazier(nonguaranteed).

Blazers then stay over the cap and resign both Wes and Rolo. We still have the MLE (as do the Clippers). There is a real benefit to both teams doing this as a sign and trade. Blazers lineup is:

DeAndre Rolo
LaMarcus Meyers
Batum Crabbe
Wes CJ
Dame Blake

Thats having your cake and eating it too.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
If we got Jordan, extended Dame and re-signed LA those three would make 2/3 of our 16-17 cap (If it indeed goes to 90+mil).
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Thats only the cap to sign other teams free agents. The tax would be significantly higher so the Blazers would still have room for two starters and a bench player making $10+ million each.
 
Draco said:
Okay my other unlikely hypothetical I'd love to do is again we verbally agree to max deals with DeAndre and LaMarcus early July.

Then somehow talk the Clippers into a sign and trade where they agree to deals with AAA and Freeland. We also include Kaman(nonguaranteed) and Frazier(nonguaranteed).

Blazers then stay over the cap and resign both Wes and Rolo. We still have the MLE (as do the Clippers). There is a real benefit to both teams doing this as a sign and trade. Blazers lineup is:

DeAndre Rolo
LaMarcus Meyers
Batum Crabbe
Wes CJ
Dame Blake

Thats having your cake and eating it too.
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doesn't Kamans contract become guaranteed after June 30th? Afflalo will likely opt out and Freeland is a FA.
 
So basically wed have to give up Batum/Kaman resign everyone then sign a starting SF for the MLE which the only possible guy worth doing that for would be Paul Pierce
 
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/fezs-idea.151660/#post-2206856

I also proposed a Whiteside/Babbitt deal when Hasaan was stinking up the joint.

Bigs take time, and patience is usually my problem (see: CJ), but when bigs are quick leapers with reaches that are at least 9'4" you have to wait them out. This is why I'm intrigued with Christian Wood and Myles Turner.

DJ has a Rudy Gobert reach btw.
 
We were one of the best rebounding teams in the league for 2 years in a row. Would that mean we would be even better with Jordan?

Also, would we drop to one of the worst FT shooting teams as well? I seem to remember that our free throws were contagious. If one starts missing, it seems even the good FT shooters start missing as well.
 
Humm, it looks like the folks posting in this thread see something I didn't see in the series just concluded. I sort of thought Jordan was one of the reasons the Clips lost.
He was definitely the reason the Blazers beat the clips one game. Hack a Jordan worked great that game, then in the end when he stood there with the rebound instead of putting it back in the hoop sealed the deal. I couldn't quite read Chris Paul's lips but I thought he might be saying, " put it back in the hoop yeah big ox!" Poor Paul, damn worked up a hemorrhoid.
 
If the game is close you sub out DJ and insert Meyers - the 91 FT% shooter.

He could improve, it has been done before - in a span of three seasons Shaq went from 49% to 59% from the line.

But, like Shaq, he'll always be just this side (at best) of atrocious.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
If the game is close you sub out DJ and insert Meyers - the 91 FT% shooter.

He could improve, it has been done before - in a span of three seasons Shaq went from 49% to 59% from the line.

But, like Shaq, he'll always be just this side (at best) of atrocious.
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As long as he hits them when it counts! Shaq did.
 
Draco said:
Okay my other unlikely hypothetical I'd love to do is again we verbally agree to max deals with DeAndre and LaMarcus early July.

Then somehow talk the Clippers into a sign and trade where they agree to deals with AAA and Freeland. We also include Kaman(nonguaranteed) and Frazier(nonguaranteed).

Blazers then stay over the cap and resign both Wes and Rolo. We still have the MLE (as do the Clippers). There is a real benefit to both teams doing this as a sign and trade. Blazers lineup is:

DeAndre Rolo
LaMarcus Meyers
Batum Crabbe
Wes CJ
Dame Blake

Thats having your cake and eating it too.
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I think to capture the imagination of any potential max player you have show to them you have the money whether it's the intent to sign them outright or in a sign and trade.

The Blazers to capture the imagination you would have to renounce the rights of Lopez and Matthews. Which x's out your Larry Bird rights. And If I'm mistaken makes it impossible for any amount while going over the cap. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If that is indeed the case, I think your idea wouldn't work. But I like him. And I agree with those that say he is better defensively than Rolo. He is more atheltic and quicker espeically laterally and vertically. Which tends to show itself in the stats.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
I wonder if that started after/during the Portland game. (The game we won in OT) I was at the game when Jordan had one of his many brain farts, and thought that regulation ended when the shot clock went off. And didn't dunk the ball for the win. CP3 went ballistic on him.
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That was so fucking funny. As I watched Chris Paul scream "Shoot it!" over and over, I just heard Daffy Duck:

 
BonesJones said:
doesn't Kamans contract become guaranteed after June 30th? Afflalo will likely opt out and Freeland is a FA.
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I'm not certain but I've heard Kamans is guaranteed at a later date in July after the first wave of free agency. Yes Freeland and Afflalo would have to agree to deals with the Clippers.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
I think to capture the imagination of any potential max player you have show to them you have the money whether it's the intent to sign them outright or in a sign and trade.

The Blazers to capture the imagination you would have to renounce the rights of Lopez and Matthews. Which x's out your Larry Bird rights. And If I'm mistaken makes it impossible for any amount while going over the cap. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If that is indeed the case, I think your idea wouldn't work. But I like him. And I agree with those that say he is better defensively than Rolo. He is more atheltic and quicker espeically laterally and vertically. Which tends to show itself in the stats.
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That's incorrect. A team can verbally agree to a max deal with a free agent first; teams don't renounce players until the moment the final contract is being signed. But once a verbal agreement is made the team would have a very short window of a few days to agree to a sign and trade with the old team. If they don't agree to a sign and trade they renounce their free agents. If they do agree to a sign and trade they keep the free agents bird rights.

Players don't worry about these details the agent and teams take care of it and just tells the player "team x is offering you $zzz"

The big risk to the Blazers would also be if Wes and or Rolo agree to deals with other teams before the Blazers can finalize a sign and trade.
 
Draco said:
That's incorrect. A team can verbally agree to a max deal with a free agent first; teams don't renounce players until the moment the final contract is being signed. But once a verbal agreement is made the team would have a very short window of a few days to agree to a sign and trade with the old team. If they don't agree to a sign and trade they renounce their free agents. If they do agree to a sign and trade they keep the free agents bird rights.
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I thought the renouncing of rights had to be done before the start of free agency?
 
OneLifeToLive said:
I thought the renouncing of rights had to be done before the start of free agency?
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No, only the instant actual cap space is used. Often teams don't know for the first week of free agency if they will use cap room or stay above the cap.
 
Draco said:
I'm not certain but I've heard Kamans is guaranteed at a later date in July after the first wave of free agency. Yes Freeland and Afflalo would have to agree to deals with the Clippers.
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Not gonna be able to S&T those guys. It just depends if Afflalo opts in
 
BonesJones said:
Not gonna be able to S&T those guys. It just depends if Afflalo opts in
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Well it's possible but AAA and Freeland would have to agree to the multi player sign and trade and contract amounts with the Clippers. Unlikely but possible.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So you're saying he's only a liability if he's actually on the court? Gotcha. So the safest way to avoid him being a liability is not to acquire him in the first place.
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Yeah...because basketball players play all 48 minutes of the game! Come on Rasta...if LAC had the big man depth POR has they could afford to schedule the stints DeAndre plays to minimize the amount of time Hack-A-Jordan could be used effectively. It's not rocket science, Doc is just hampered because of his failures as a GM and the Clippers lack of depth.

Draco said:
First, he can only get $80 million unless he stays with the Clippers.

Secondly, is the job of Blazer management to worry about what some fans will complain about or the performance on the court?

DeAndre is one of the top players in the league at his position; far better than Lopez. If you have a chance to get a player like that you do it. With the cap and luxury tax increasing the Blazers will still have salary space to keep everyone on the roster.
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If DeAndre is gone, LAC is going to be open to a S&T, and a deal centered around Batum/filler would save PDX cap space and potentially not have to renounce Wes.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Okay look we survived Travis Outlaw, but do we really want a player who MIGHT FORGET to dunk in a game winner?
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Priceless.

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Greg Monroe has just as big of a body, with 10 times the talent. But he doesn't carry the Olshey connection advantage.
 
jlprk said:
Greg Monroe has just as big of a body, with 10 times the talent. But he doesn't carry the Olshey connection advantage.
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HAHAHahaha... Wait are you being serious? Maybe if there wasn't a such thing as defense...
 
Draco I'm gonna piggy back off your idea and try to prupose something even more plausible
-Trade Batum, Kaman, and Blake to LAC for DeAndre Jordan and Matt Barnes
-If Afflalo opts in he'll be backup SF.....
If he opts out or we trade him, then trade two future 2nd round picks and cash to Philadelphia for Robert Covington.
-Resign LMA, Wes, Rolo, Freeland, Wright
-Draft Upshaw 23rd, Diagne 47th (Stash)
-Sign CJ Watson 2yrs/$9M (Team Option)

Lillard(35)/Watson(14)/Frazier
Matthews(26)/McCollum(26)/Crabbe
Barnes(24)/Afflalo(20)/Wright
Aldridge(33)/Leonard(16)/Freeland
Jordan(27)/Lopez(18)/Upshaw

-OR-

Lillard(36)/Watson(16)/Frazier
Matthews(29)/McCollum(26)/Crabbe
Barnes(27)/Covington(10)/Wright
Aldridge(34)/Leonard(16)/Freeland
Jordan(28)/Lopez(18)/Upshaw
 
Jordan's ceiling is Kevin Duckworth. He might have a couple of peak years coming, but he's not worth what our other starters are.
 
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