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[dviss1]

They are having a debate about whether or not a CJ step back is a travel or not.


@dviss1 I trust you the most when it comes to these things. What's your take?

It's definitely traveling. James Harden travels 80% of the time he does his.

Thing is, it's not an NBA travel.

 

[dviss1]

Is 4 steps a travel ?

He resets his pivot foot.

 

[dviss1]

Considering Harden does the same step back all the time... That's ironic.

Right???

 

[dviss1]

IMO, he hasn't picked up the ball until he's pushed off into his step back. He cuffs the ball in a way but keeps his hand on top of it during his gather.

How can you see the ball when our view is ass and elbows?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

That's a friggin travel but a catch isn't even a catch in the NFL anymore so not gonna bitch.

 

[dviss1]

That's a friggin travel but a catch isn't even a catch in the NFL anymore so not gonna bitch.

The new definition of a catch is much better IMO.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

The new definition of a catch is much better IMO.

Haven't heard final rules, do you have to take 8 steps, switch hands and read the serial number off the ball?

 

[theprunetang]

It's definitely traveling. James Harden travels 80% of the time he does his.

Thing is, it's not an NBA travel.

You care to break it down for me? Plays like this happen too fast for me to really get a good take. I'm not a ref....haha

 

[dviss1]

You care to break it down for me? Plays like this happen too fast for me to really get a good take. I'm not a ref....haha

Look at the slow motion part of the video. CJ has complete possession of the ball when he steps back and resets his pivot.

 

[BonesJones]

How can you see the ball when our view is ass and elbows?

You can tell by the way his arm is moving that he keeps his hand on top.

 

[theprunetang]

Look at the slow motion part of the video. CJ has complete possession of the ball when he steps back and resets his pivot.

So you are saying his right foot is the pivot foot before the step to the side.

 

[durvasa]

So you are saying his right foot is the pivot foot before the step to the side.

Hi. As we were discussing over on the Clutchfans forum, the NBA rule book says one condition for "end of dribble" is the ball is at rest under the player's control. The point I was trying to make there, which met some resistance, is that what that actually means is not fully defined -- it is open to interpretation. I think when @dviss1 talks about "possession of the ball" he is saying, essentially, the ball is in the player's hand(s) under his control. That's one way to read "ball is at rest", IMO. Or one can go with a much more forgiving (for the offensive player) interpretation of "ball is at rest", in line with the lax carry rules.

As for people who say that if CJ's move was a travel, then Harden's is as well -- I'm not disputing that. I'm more interested in how the league might change the rules or add "points of emphasis" in the future to potentially disallow this maneuver. I'm sure players like CJ and Harden who constantly work at their craft in the offseason will adjust to whatever the league decides.

 

[stampedehero]

@Chupacabra isn't bad.
I think Denver fans are awful as far as boards go.
Their mods are also nazi's.

> In all sports, the Baltimore Ravens have the worst board Nazi's. Believe me, I quit that board due to that reason and the fact you cannot communicate and understand the tender feelings of other posters. lol

 

[theprunetang]

Hi. As we were discussing over on the Clutchfans forum, the NBA rule book says one condition for "end of dribble" is the ball is at rest under the player's control. The point I was trying to make there, which met some resistance, is that what that actually means is not fully defined -- it is open to interpretation. I think when @dviss1 talks about "possession of the ball" he is saying, essentially, the ball is in the player's hand(s) under his control. That's one way to read "ball is at rest", IMO. Or one can go with a much more forgiving (for the offensive player) interpretation of "ball is at rest", in line with the lax carry rules.

As for people who say that if CJ's move was a travel, then Harden's is as well -- I'm not disputing that. I'm more interested in how the league might change the rules or add "points of emphasis" in the future to potentially disallow this maneuver. I'm sure players like CJ and Harden who constantly work at their craft in the offseason will adjust to whatever the league decides.

Good response. I read and responded to your thread on clutchfans. I was hoping for a more definitive ruling here, and I'm not sure I got it. If anything, it seems like elite offensive players often operate in the gray scale between legal and illegal. And that makes sense. Try to gain any advantage that you can, while you can.
What's your name on clutch? Your board has some douches, like any other. But there are some good people there as well. I think Mathrock is my personal favorite.

 

[H.C.]

Soon as CJ lifts the foot between the block and the hash mark. It becomes a travel.
That's if you want to give a grey area and let offensive players get the benefit of the doubt.

Personally I'd call him for travel before that.

 

[Lanny]

Is 4 steps a travel ?

Are you a Blazer fan? If not, you're in the wrong forum. You're supposed to be blind to that.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

"Last time we had a Blazers fan on the board I bet him $500 and he scurried off into the sunset when I won the bet.

Eric Millegan, btw. The man who's net worth is nearly a million. Bones actor"

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Hi. As we were discussing over on the Clutchfans forum, the NBA rule book says one condition for "end of dribble" is the ball is at rest under the player's control. The point I was trying to make there, which met some resistance, is that what that actually means is not fully defined -- it is open to interpretation. I think when @dviss1 talks about "possession of the ball" he is saying, essentially, the ball is in the player's hand(s) under his control. That's one way to read "ball is at rest", IMO. Or one can go with a much more forgiving (for the offensive player) interpretation of "ball is at rest", in line with the lax carry rules.

As for people who say that if CJ's move was a travel, then Harden's is as well -- I'm not disputing that. I'm more interested in how the league might change the rules or add "points of emphasis" in the future to potentially disallow this maneuver. I'm sure players like CJ and Harden who constantly work at their craft in the offseason will adjust to whatever the league decides.

Welcome to the Forum. Cool avatar.