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Was she married? As for cheating, just because others do it doesn't make it right.

Once again...there is a difference between a cheating asshole and rapist.

Man, seriously, please reread my bigger post. Im obviously not trying to build up Kobe here. Im infatuated with everything Lakers, not Kobe. My opinion on this is not BS.
 
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Once again...there is a difference between a cheating asshole and rapist.

And in my opinion, they're one in the same: They're both encapsulated in the wonder that is Kobe Bryant.

Man, seriously, please reread my bigger post. Im obviously not trying to build up Kobe here. Im infatuated with everything Lakers, not Kobe. My opinion on this is not BS.

I'm not saying that your opinion is BS, I'm saying that our opinions are different on this issue.
 
You just said being an asshole and being a rapist is the same...thats horrible
 
You overpay for stars, because you are underpaying them when they're in their prime. Sure Shaq made a ton of money with that new deal, but he brought Miami a championship. How much do you pay for that championship? By trading Shaq, you probably cost yourself another two or three rings. That's worth having him clog your cap at the back end of his contract.
Shaq wouldn't have won us anything. Letting Shaq go cost us another two or three rings? Please...

Saying keeping Shaq over Kobe is just ridiculous. You have a young Kobe, entering his prime and ready to explode, and and an old Shaq who doesn't even condition himself properly in the offseason. We would be worse off with Shaq because of his age. Look at him now. Kobe won the MVP last year and Shaq has been reduced to nothing more than an "above average" starter with the Suns. Resigning Shaq would not guarantee us a championship, because his contract would leave us with very little wiggle room under the cap to sign anyone else, and Kobe would just bolt to the Clippers or somewhere else. There would be no Kobe, no Wade, nobody. Just Shaq. Which leaves us basically with Shaq and a bunch of scrubs (you wouldn't even have a Caron Butler or Lamar Odom). How do you think he'd feel then? He probably would stir up even more shit and come into the season fat and over shape, sit out with some type of mysterious "injury" for a couple of months, disrupt the locker room, and then ask for a trade. Yeah, good luck getting back good pieces for an aging Shaq. This is also not mentioning you'd be spending big bucks every single year on a player who doesn't even dedicate himself in the offseason, and probably wouldn't even play with any effort. Not to mention you just let a future MVP, one of the best players in the league walk away for absolutely nothing.

And let's be clear, that initial trade was bad and then the Kwame trade made it worse. It was only the benevolence of the Griz that saved Mitch's bacon.
And this has nothing to do with Kobe.

But a competent management structure who has control of their player doesn't let it get to that level. It was the tail wagging the dog. As for Shaq still complaining, Kobe started it up again when he brought up the issue that Shaq paid a girl $1MM to keep her mouth shut about their affair. He was basically responsible for Shaq's marriage breaking up.
Oh yeah, and Shaq's Mr. Perfect right? He's 6 years older than Kobe, and certainly doesn't show any more maturity. Kobe came into the league as a teenager, and instead of being a "team leader," he'd isolate himself from Kobe and slap him around during summer practices. Yep, great leader. Tell me how a team leader habitually goes into camp every year fat and out of shape, and a team leader would take "company time" to heal an injury. Yeah, if I was Kobe I'd be pissed off too. How does my team captain, MY supposed team captain, show so little effort and basically does not even give a damn about working out and keeping his body in shape? As a professional athlete, the very least you can do is show up to training camp, your job, in shape.

And Kobe wasn't mainly responsible for Shaq's divorce, the event occurred four years ago. So yeah, I'm guess Shaq's wife, four years later, all of a sudden thinks up of an event four years back and decides to get a divorce right? Yep makes sense to me.
 
As probably one of the most notorious Kobe "haters" on the internet, I have grown to appreciate the man's game and don't find his attitude offensive. I was there when he posted 65 on the Blazers:

[video=youtube;YTKHM31XECk]

and I just left the stadium in amazement at that feat he did. I still hate the Lakers with a passion, but Kobe...not so much.

So if he came to the Blazers, start him at SF and lets pile some rings.
 
Shaq wouldn't have won us anything. Letting Shaq go cost us another two or three rings? Please...

Okay, then I guess Wade is better than Kobe, if the Heat won a championship and the Lakers would have been unable to. At least you're big enough to admit it.

Saying keeping Shaq over Kobe is just ridiculous. You have a young Kobe, entering his prime and ready to explode, and and an old Shaq who doesn't even condition himself properly in the offseason. We would be worse off with Shaq because of his age. Look at him now. Kobe won the MVP last year and Shaq has been reduced to nothing more than an "above average" starter with the Suns. Resigning Shaq would not guarantee us a championship, because his contract would leave us with very little wiggle room under the cap to sign anyone else, and Kobe would just bolt to the Clippers or somewhere else. There would be no Kobe, no Wade, nobody. Just Shaq. Which leaves us basically with Shaq and a bunch of scrubs (you wouldn't even have a Caron Butler or Lamar Odom). How do you think he'd feel then? He probably would stir up even more shit and come into the season fat and over shape, sit out with some type of mysterious "injury" for a couple of months, disrupt the locker room, and then ask for a trade. Yeah, good luck getting back good pieces for an aging Shaq. This is also not mentioning you'd be spending big bucks every single year on a player who doesn't even dedicate himself in the offseason, and probably wouldn't even play with any effort. Not to mention you just let a future MVP, one of the best players in the league walk away for absolutely nothing.

Well, that was quite a rant. However, you missed my point. It didn't have to be either/or. Kobe could have kept his mouth shut and continued to play with Shaq. So Shaq wanted more of the spotlight? Let him have it. Winning is the important thing. Kobe chose his own ego over winning.


And this has nothing to do with Kobe.

Sure it does. Kobe forced a trade that took the Lakers from 56-26 and a Finals appearance (and without injuries, a likely championship) to a 34-48 punchline.

Oh yeah, and Shaq's Mr. Perfect right? He's 6 years older than Kobe, and certainly doesn't show any more maturity. Kobe came into the league as a teenager, and instead of being a "team leader," he'd isolate himself from Kobe and slap him around during summer practices. Yep, great leader. Tell me how a team leader habitually goes into camp every year fat and out of shape, and a team leader would take "company time" to heal an injury. Yeah, if I was Kobe I'd be pissed off too. How does my team captain, MY supposed team captain, show so little effort and basically does not even give a damn about working out and keeping his body in shape? As a professional athlete, the very least you can do is show up to training camp, your job, in shape.

It has nothing to do with Shaq's maturity. So what if he's high maintenance? Michael Jordan put up with Dennis Rodman to earn a ring. Winning is the important thing, not who gets the spotlight. Kobe wants it to be all about him, and he has fewer rings because of it.

And Kobe wasn't mainly responsible for Shaq's divorce, the event occurred four years ago. So yeah, I'm guess Shaq's wife, four years later, all of a sudden thinks up of an event four years back and decides to get a divorce right? Yep makes sense to me.

It was in reference to why Shaq did that stupid rap about "how does my ass taste". Kobe was the one who ratted out that he paid a woman off not to tell his wife about their affair.

As an aside, I'd like to thank all the Laker fans for continuing this thread. There are few non-Blazer basketball-related subjects I enjoy more than ripping on that little slice of Japanese beef.
 
As an aside, I'd like to thank all the Laker fans for continuing this thread. There are few non-Blazer basketball-related subjects I enjoy more than ripping on that little slice of Japanese beef.

Yeah I know, thats what Ive been saying the entire time. Anything bad about Kobe you want to believe no matter what the facts are surrounding it.
 
Yeah I know, thats what Ive been saying the entire time. Anything bad about Kobe you want to believe no matter what the facts are surrounding it.

Actually, I really do believe he raped that girl. And I believe his conduct and the strategies pursued by his legal team afterward proved it.
 
Actually, I really do believe he raped that girl. And I believe his conduct and the strategies pursued by his legal team afterward proved it.

Yes, as you have already stated, because Kobe was able to afford the best legal team and afford to pull out all the stops to make sure he didnt go to jail then he must be guilty...awesome logic

Hey everybody! Just roll over if you ever get accused of a crime you didnt commit!
 
Yes, as you have already stated, because Kobe was able to afford the best legal team and afford to pull out all the stops to make sure he didnt go to jail then he must be guilty...awesome logic

Hey everybody! Just roll over if you ever get accused of a crime you didnt commit!

Or actually commit the crime and then give the girl a choice: take a pile of money or have your life ruined.
 
Yes, some women have sex with other men after they have been raped. Of the women I have known that have been raped, over 50% of them had sex with in 2 days of the attack. Sure, my sample size isn't that big, but I knows what I knows.
 
Oh bullshit...Everybody can already find out who she is if they wanted to

But most people don't take the steps required to dig up dirt on every person around. I know I wouldn't want someone doing that to me--I've lived a full life.
 
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/5861379/

The 26-year-old Los Angeles Lakers guard issued a written apology that stopped short of taking responsibility for his actions.

“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did,” he said.
 
Yes, some women have sex with other men after they have been raped. Of the women I have known that have been raped, over 50% of them had sex with in 2 days of the attack. Sure, my sample size isn't that big, but I knows what I knows.

Ok..even if we assume these women told you the truth, this is an irrelevant sample size....and jesus christ where are you? How many raped women do you know???
 
Speaking of facts, from the same article I posted a link to

In this case, District Judge Terry Ruckriegle ruled that the woman’s sex life in the three days surrounding her encounter with Bryant could be admitted as evidence, which may have bolstered the defense contention that she slept with someone after leaving Bryant and before she went to a hospital exam — a potentially key blow to her credibility. The woman’s lawyers have denied the accusation.

So where is the proof she had sex with another man? Why is this a Kobe-fan fact?
 
Ok..even if we assume these women told you the truth, this is an irrelevant sample size....and jesus christ where are you? How many raped women do you know???

Told me the truth about what? That they were raped, yes I'm sure they were telling the truth. As for the rest, I didn't have to take their word for it.

It has been years since I've been in college, but it is very unfortunate that rape is/was so common at that age.
 
“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did,” he said.
Thank you for the link...now where in this does he say he raped her. He stated the obvious if you read it correctly. It can be interpreted as "She is taking me to court on a rape charge, therefore she must view the incident differently"
 
Told me the truth about what? That they were raped, yes I'm sure they were telling the truth. As for the rest, I didn't have to take their word for it.

It has been years since I've been in college, but it is very unfortunate that rape is/was so common at that age.

No not the rape, I was talking about them having consensual sex withing the following two days
 
Okay, then I guess Wade is better than Kobe, if the Heat won a championship and the Lakers would have been unable to. At least you're big enough to admit it.
Yup Wade > Kobe

Happy?

I said Shaq can't do it alone (nobody can). He needs a superstar caliber player like Wade or Kobe to win the championship, something he wouldn't have if the Lakers chose him instead of Kobe. So who would you rather build around, a 32 year old aging player, who rarely takes the time to workout and get in shape in the offseason, with a bunch of scrubs, or a 25 year old player just entering his prime, with some pieces like Caron Butler and Lamar Odom around him? It's a no brainer. I'm sorry but I don't quite get what you're trying to say. Are you saying the Lakers should've picked Shaq instead of Kobe? :dunno:

Well, that was quite a rant. However, you missed my point. It didn't have to be either/or. Kobe could have kept his mouth shut and continued to play with Shaq. So Shaq wanted more of the spotlight? Let him have it. Winning is the important thing. Kobe chose his own ego over winning.
lol stop calling it a rant when I was just responding to your post.

And Shaq could've been more mature and he could've been the bigger man that he was, at 32 years old at the time, instead of feuding with a 25 year old Kobe Bryant. Something he never attempted to do even when Kobe entered the league as a teenager.

Sure it does. Kobe forced a trade that took the Lakers from 56-26 and a Finals appearance (and without injuries, a likely championship) to a 34-48 punchline.
Kobe didn't force anything. If Shaq actually acted like his age instead of being an immature brat as well, things could've been different. When Kobe was a rookie, Shaq had already been in the league for four years. It should be up to him to be the bigger man and actually take someone like Kobe under his wing, instead of isolating him from the team and slapping him around in practice. Not the other way around.

It has nothing to do with Shaq's maturity. So what if he's high maintenance? Michael Jordan put up with Dennis Rodman to earn a ring. Winning is the important thing, not who gets the spotlight. Kobe wants it to be all about him, and he has fewer rings because of it.
Yeah winning is important. But you don't think someone like Kobe, who works his ass off every offseason wouldn't get upset over someone coming into camp every year fat and out of shape? You don't think he'd be upset that the "man" of the team would rather take time off of the season to heal his injury, instead of doing it during the offseason because of "company time?" Kobe called out Shaq for being lazy and fat, which was basically one of the main instigators of the whole issue. And he has every right to do so. As a professional athlete, the least you can do is show up to your "job" ready and prepared. Something Shaq didn't do with the Lakers. So basically what you're saying is that Shaq should be seen higher than everyone else on the team, and unlike everyone else, he doesn't have to workout or get in shape during the offseason? He can just use the first 20 games of the regular season as "conditioning," or, after an offseason of no work, he can take an extra months worth of vacation to "heal" his toe, something he could've done during the offseason? Yeah, I'm sure that would bode well for someone like Kobe, who is one of the hardest working players in the entire league.

It was in reference to why Shaq did that stupid rap about "how does my ass taste". Kobe was the one who ratted out that he paid a woman off not to tell his wife about their affair.
And again, what's the point? It happened four years ago, and Shaq only got a divorce this year. I'm sure there were other factors that came into play as well. Your making this seem like it was the MAIN reason Shaq got the divorce, and it wasn't. If it was, it would've been done years ago.
 
Thank you for the link...now where in this does he say he raped her. He stated the obvious if you read it correctly. It can be interpreted as "She is taking me to court on a rape charge, therefore she must view the incident differently"

It is one of the most carefully worded, lawyered up statements you'll ever find. Kobe is stating that half of the sex equation doesn't agree that the sex was consensual.
 
It is one of the most carefully worded, lawyered up statements you'll ever find. Kobe is stating that half of the sex equation doesn't agree that the sex was consensual.

Uh yeah, that why she supposedly started the case..because she is accusing him of rape.

Do you want him to sound like even more of an ass and say "Oh that bitch is lying! She just wants money!"...of course it was carefully worded...thats the lawyers jobs
 
Yup Wade > Kobe

Happy?

I said Shaq can't do it alone (nobody can). He needs a superstar caliber player like Wade or Kobe to win the championship, something he wouldn't have if the Lakers chose him instead of Kobe. So who would you rather build around, a 32 year old aging player, who rarely takes the time to workout and get in shape in the offseason, with a bunch of scrubs, or a 25 year old player just entering his prime, with some pieces like Caron Butler and Lamar Odom around him? It's a no brainer. I'm sorry but I don't quite get what you're trying to say. Are you saying the Lakers should've picked Shaq instead of Kobe? :dunno:


lol stop calling it a rant when I was just responding to your post.

And Shaq could've been more mature and he could've been the bigger man that he was, at 32 years old at the time, instead of feuding with a 25 year old Kobe Bryant. Something he never attempted to do even when Kobe entered the league as a teenager.


Kobe didn't force anything. If Shaq actually acted like his age instead of being an immature brat as well, things could've been different. When Kobe was a rookie, Shaq had already been in the league for four years. It should be up to him to be the bigger man and actually take someone like Kobe under his wing, instead of isolating him from the team and slapping him around in practice. Not the other way around.


Yeah winning is important. But you don't think someone like Kobe, who works his ass off every offseason wouldn't get upset over someone coming into camp every year fat and out of shape? You don't think he'd be upset that the "man" of the team would rather take time off of the season to heal his injury, instead of doing it during the offseason because of "company time?" Kobe called out Shaq for being lazy and fat, which was basically one of the main instigators of the whole issue. And he has every right to do so. As a professional athlete, the least you can do is show up to your "job" ready and prepared. Something Shaq didn't do with the Lakers. So basically what you're saying is that Shaq should be seen higher than everyone else on the team, and unlike everyone else, he doesn't have to workout or get in shape during the offseason? He can just use the first 20 games of the regular season as "conditioning," or, after an offseason of no work, he can take an extra months worth of vacation to "heal" his toe, something he could've done during the offseason? Yeah, I'm sure that would bode well for someone like Kobe, who is one of the hardest working players in the entire league.


And again, what's the point? It happened four years ago, and Shaq only got a divorce this year. I'm sure there were other factors that came into play as well. Your making this seem like it was the MAIN reason Shaq got the divorce, and it wasn't. If it was, it would've been done years ago.

Wow, do I even need to be here for this? It seems as if you just want to make up my positions and then argue against them. I'll let you do it.
 
WTF you have had sex with several raped women within days of their rape?!?! WTF!!!
 
Ask and you shall recieve

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And Im not a Kobe fan...Im a Lakers fan, get it straight

People that aren't Lakers fans defend him too.

Anyhow, that doesn't prove she had sex with anyone after Kobe. Yes it looks bad (which is the what the defense was trying to do) but all it proves is that she had sex with someone else at some point in time.
 
Wow, do I even need to be here for this? It seems as if you just want to make up my positions and then argue against them. I'll let you do it.
Excuse me? You posted, and I responded to your post. I don't see anything wrong with what I did, care to explain? And how did I "make up" your positions? Again, I responded to your posts, I even quoted you. Your point is?

And I don't get why you're coming at me like this. I never said anything offensive to you, I thought we were just having a debate. You don't want to argue anymore? Can't back up your points? Fine.
 
Uh yeah, that why she supposedly started the case..because she is accusing him of rape.

Do you want him to sound like even more of an ass and say "Oh that bitch is lying! She just wants money!"...of course it was carefully worded...thats the lawyers jobs

quoted for dumbness

Lets just go through this logically. If one person involved in a sexual act never believes it was consensual, how can it be consensual?
 

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