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I don't get to watch many Blazer games so maybe some of you guys who see a lot of them can help me out. Why has a second round draft pick been given so much respect by Billups? I'm not knocking him, it just surprises me. I like that he plays hard on defense and unlike the rest of the team is not made of glass. But the production doesn't blow me away. Again, how does a second rounder get the key to the city?
 
What he does out there doesn’t necessarily show up in the stat sheet. Coaches LOVE and NEED this if you want to succeed. All successful teams have players you don’t have to run a play for, yet help them win.
 
He's a tone-setter. He plays balls-to-the-wall 100% of the time and has a bit of a temper to him. If you ever played pickup with someone like that you'll know that they make everybody take it a lot more seriously.
 
Trailblazers76 said:
I don't get to watch many Blazer games so maybe some of you guys who see a lot of them can help me out. Why has a second round draft pick been given so much respect by Billups? I'm not knocking him, it just surprises me. I like that he plays hard on defense and unlike the rest of the team is not made of glass. But the production doesn't blow me away. Again, how does a second rounder get the key to the city?
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Because he is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league? If we had one of the best perimeter offensive players in the league, they’d get love also
 
Jabari Walker was Toumani before Toumani was, and maybe it's time Jabari got some more minutes (just not at center like Billups tried him at a couple of games ago).
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Jabari Walker was Toumani before Toumani was, and maybe it's time Jabari got some more minutes (just not at center like Billups tried him at a couple of games ago).
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I love Jabari. But where would you play him? His biggest problem is defense: lack of lateral speed and inability to change direction quickly.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I love Jabari. But where would you play him? His biggest problem is defense: lack of lateral speed and inability to change direction quickly.
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I agree. I like him too, and love his relentless hustle as a rebounder. But he is limited to guarding PFs. A solid bench player in case of injuries.

Camara on the other hand has shown that he can switch off and guard multiple positions. And as long as he can continue to shoot the 3 ball well enough to spread the floor I am fine with him starting. He just needs to be the 5th option on offense.
 
Trailblazers76 said:
I don't get to watch many Blazer games so maybe some of you guys who see a lot of them can help me out. Why has a second round draft pick been given so much respect by Billups? I'm not knocking him, it just surprises me. I like that he plays hard on defense and unlike the rest of the team is not made of glass. But the production doesn't blow me away. Again, how does a second rounder get the key to the city?
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He puts in the work, stays humble, defensive savant. Blazers suck, their vets do at least… makes decent sense that he gets PT
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Jabari Walker was Toumani before Toumani was, and maybe it's time Jabari got some more minutes (just not at center like Billups tried him at a couple of games ago).
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No

Walker never defended like Toumani nor shoot the 3 like he does. Walker defends centers better than wings, he doesn't have the foot speed to do half of what Toumani can. Their two of the most dissimilar Blazers until you start comparing PG to C.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I love Jabari. But where would you play him? His biggest problem is defense: lack of lateral speed and inability to change direction quickly.
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The only thing he does well is rebound.

I wanted him cut off the roster in preseason.

I would however start him over Ayton.
 
jlprk said:
Walker is good at scoring close to the basket. He has fakes and doesn't nervously miss like, say, Nurkic or Plumlee. He may be my favorite current Blazer (who must be an underdog; I never pick a star).
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made me curious, so, some 'big' men and their career FG% at rim (0-3' @bbref)

Timelord .809
Ayton .765 (padded by his time with CP3)
Whiteside .740
Plumlee .715
Rasheed .682
Robin Lopez .666
Nurkic .615
Brian Grant .610
Sabonis .609
Camby .606
Kaman .593


Jarett Allen .750
Shaq .745
AD .745
Gobert .744
Embiid .742
Adebayo .728
Sabonis .718
Jokic .717
Myles Turner .717
KAT .706
Capela .699
Zubac .693
Hartenstein .691
Jaren Jackson .677


obviously, this is an incomplete picture. It's one thing to shoot a high percentage; it's a different thing to shoot a high percentage AND have a high FT rate

career FT rates:

Plumlee .588
Whiteside .385
Nurkic .383
Timelord .273
R. Lopez .270
Ayton .191

Gobert .706
Shaq .578
Embiid .551
Adebayo .423
AD .411
D. Sabonis .373
Jokic .316

and yeah, that rate needs to be gauged by percentage of shots taken at the rim, average shot distance, assisted FG rate, conversion rate on FT's....no thanks
 
Walker needs to play angry and get mean down low. Use his size and dunk over anyone and/or make them pay for trying to stop him. I don’t understand being that big and playing small. The entire team needs to be on a steady diet of Barkley highlights. The guy is 6’4 and would destroy any in his path except Shaq.
 
wizenheimer said:
made me curious, so, some 'big' men and their career FG% at rim (0-3' @bbref)

Timelord .809
Ayton .765 (padded by his time with CP3)
Whiteside .740
Plumlee .715
Rasheed .682
Robin Lopez .666
Nurkic .615
Brian Grant .610
Sabonis .609
Camby .606
Kaman .593


Jarett Allen .750
Shaq .745
AD .745
Gobert .744
Embiid .742
Adebayo .728
Sabonis .718
Jokic .717
Myles Turner .717
KAT .706
Capela .699
Zubac .693
Hartenstein .691
Jaren Jackson .677


obviously, this is an incomplete picture. It's one thing to shoot a high percentage; it's a different thing to shoot a high percentage AND have a high FT rate

career FT rates:

Plumlee .588
Whiteside .385
Nurkic .383
Timelord .273
R. Lopez .270
Ayton .191

Gobert .706
Shaq .578
Embiid .551
Adebayo .423
AD .411
D. Sabonis .373
Jokic .316

and yeah, that rate needs to be gauged by percentage of shots taken at the rim, average shot distance, assisted FG rate, conversion rate on FT's....no thanks
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What's Walkers?
 
wizenheimer said:
made me curious, so, some 'big' men and their career FG% at rim (0-3' @bbref)

Timelord .809
Ayton .765 (padded by his time with CP3)
Whiteside .740
Plumlee .715
Rasheed .682
Robin Lopez .666
Nurkic .615
Brian Grant .610
Sabonis .609
Camby .606
Kaman .593


Jarett Allen .750
Shaq .745
AD .745
Gobert .744
Embiid .742
Adebayo .728
Sabonis .718
Jokic .717
Myles Turner .717
KAT .706
Capela .699
Zubac .693
Hartenstein .691
Jaren Jackson .677


obviously, this is an incomplete picture. It's one thing to shoot a high percentage; it's a different thing to shoot a high percentage AND have a high FT rate

career FT rates:

Plumlee .588
Whiteside .385
Nurkic .383
Timelord .273
R. Lopez .270
Ayton .191

Gobert .706
Shaq .578
Embiid .551
Adebayo .423
AD .411
D. Sabonis .373
Jokic .316

and yeah, that rate needs to be gauged by percentage of shots taken at the rim, average shot distance, assisted FG rate, conversion rate on FT's....no thanks
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What are the numbers for Clingan? (if there are any)
 
jlprk said:
Walker is good at scoring close to the basket. He has fakes and doesn't nervously miss like, say, Nurkic or Plumlee. He may be my favorite current Blazer (who must be an underdog; I never pick a star).
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wizenheimer said:
made me curious, so, some 'big' men and their career FG% at rim (0-3' @bbref)
Plumlee .715
Nurkic .615
Walker .653
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You used career numbers, but I posted what I saw when they were Blazers. As I thought, Jabari Walker is best.
0-3 foot FG%, only Blazer games, per Basketball-Reference:

Plumlee .643
Nurkic .626
Walker .655
wizenheimer said:
Ayton .765 (padded by his time with CP3)
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To the contrary, it's .762 Phoenix and .789 Portland, career .766.

(The current portion of numbers changed .001 or so, since you posted 7 days ago.)
 
jlprk said:
You used career numbers, but I posted what I saw when they were Blazers. As I thought, Jabari Walker is best.
0-3 foot FG%, only Blazer games, per Basketball-Reference:

Plumlee .643
Nurkic .626
Walker .655

To the contrary, it's .762 Phoenix and .789 Portland, career .766.

(The current portion of numbers changed .001 or so, since you posted 7 days ago.)
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his three years with CP3 (which is what I mentioned):

.766
.793
.804

(his first 2 seasons without CP3 was .733 & .725; which depressed his conversion rate there)

last season .764
this season .841.

But comparatively, this season is such a small sample size at this point, it's reasonable to expect regression. There is also the rate factor. For his career, the rate of FGA at the rim is 38.7%. In Portland it's around 28%. Again, it may be reasonable to assume if his attempt rate was higher, his conversion rate would be lower

there's little doubt Ayton is good around the rim. Hard to find his assisted FG% at the rim, but Portland he's been in the 92nd percentile on putbacks. However, last season, Grant was in the 98th percentile and Sharpe was in the 94th. Both on a lower rate of attempts though. So yeah, he can hold onto the ball and convert shots when he sees chances to shoot

too bad he's so bad at other things a 7' C should be good at (for instance, check the per36 screen assists, box-out, and contested shots stats on that link)
 
If we trade Jerami, can we start Jabari in his place? At least until Flagg gets here?
 
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