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Bye Bye Collins, dont let the door hit you on the way out.
 
Collins will most likely be Boone's backup for the time being...and perhaps the rest of the season. I'm content with that. I think it was time to switch up the Net forumla and this may be one of the ingredients in doing so.
 
Josh Boone is our starting center as far as I'm concerned...including if and when Nenad gets back (soon I hope). Nenad never meshed style well and is more of a half court player...would love to showcase him and trade him at deadline hopefully for a solid young guard and possibly a draft pick depending on how well he plays.
 
Collins sucks at basketball and should not be in the league.
 
I have a feeling the "Collins Era" is just on hold for a few games.
 
Frank happends, you must concern about this.
 
There should never have been a "Collins Era" in the first place.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 21 2007, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There should never have been a "Collins Era" in the first place.</div>

It isn't over though. Boone is a younger Collins
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 21 2007, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 21 2007, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There should never have been a "Collins Era" in the first place.</div>

It isn't over though. Boone is a younger Collins
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Disagree Boone actually has skills and is athletic something Collins is not.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 21 2007, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 21 2007, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There should never have been a "Collins Era" in the first place.</div>

It isn't over though. Boone is a younger Collins
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I disagree also lol... you just insulted Boone to a whole nother level... you apologize now! lol

Boone actually has an offensive game to him... where Collins has none at all. Boone can also grab rebounds... where Collins again... doesn't for his 7 foot size. Collins may be known for his boxing out... thats only because he can't jump and other centers would just grab it over him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Dec 21 2007, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 21 2007, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 21 2007, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There should never have been a "Collins Era" in the first place.</div>

It isn't over though. Boone is a younger Collins
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Disagree Boone actually has skills and is athletic something Collins is not.
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So did the young Twin, plus Twin was a far better defender
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (logik15 @ Dec 21 2007, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 21 2007, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 21 2007, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There should never have been a "Collins Era" in the first place.</div>

It isn't over though. Boone is a younger Collins
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I disagree also lol... you just insulted Boone to a whole nother level... you apologize now! lol

Boone actually has an offensive game to him... where Collins has none at all. Boone can also grab rebounds... where Collins again... doesn't for his 7 foot size. Collins may be known for his boxing out... thats only because he can't jump and other centers would just grab it over him.
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Go back and watch the 2001 and 2002 Twin. It isn't an insult
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Dec 21 2007, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Got to love how Boone just got a slap in the face from a Collins lover.</div>

Let me make this very clear. Any more attempts to paint someone as a "Player X" lover will end your stay on this forum
 
Kidd grabbed another 10 boards tonight. So much for Collins' blocking out.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Dec 21 2007, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To compare any player to Collins is a insult.</div>

Yo Mamma plays like Collins!! OOOH.
Jpin.

Seriously, now, the young Collins was quite talented. I assume that you're a relatively young Nets fan, and that possibly you started to like the Nets when Boone got drafted. So, is it not possible that before you started watching the Nets, Jason Collins used to be a far better player? I'd say it's not only a possibility...it's a fact. He didn't get 6 mil a year for nothing. He showed alot of promise as a youth, as does Josh Boone...except, IIRC, he also showed less injury-proneness before that 6 mil signing.

So far, it's a pretty valid comparison to me. Would you argue that Boone is not injury prone? Because...if not, then it sounds like a possible Jason Collins the second to me. Injuries could ruin what talent Boone currently has, and turn him into another Collins. Think about that, let it sink in before you make a reply.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 21 2007, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Dec 21 2007, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To compare any player to Collins is a insult.</div>

Yo Mamma plays like Collins!! OOOH.
Jpin.

Seriously, now, the young Collins was quite talented. I assume that you're a relatively young Nets fan, and that possibly you started to like the Nets when Boone got drafted. So, is it not possible that before you started watching the Nets, Jason Collins used to be a far better player? I'd say it's not only a possibility...it's a fact. He didn't get 6 mil a year for nothing. He showed alot of promise as a youth, as does Josh Boone...except, IIRC, he also showed less injury-proneness before that 6 mil signing.

So far, it's a pretty valid comparison to me. Would you argue that Boone is not injury prone? Because...if not, then it sounds like a possible Jason Collins the second to me. Injuries could ruin what talent Boone currently has, and turn him into another Collins. Think about that, let it sink in before you make a reply.
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I never saw Collins when he was good, I was under the appresion that Boone was being compared to this Collins that we see now. Yes Boone has some minor injurie problems but as long as he can stay healthy i dont see why Boone cant be a very good soild starter in the NBA
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Dec 21 2007, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 21 2007, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Josh_Boone @ Dec 21 2007, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To compare any player to Collins is a insult.</div>

Yo Mamma plays like Collins!! OOOH.
Jpin.

Seriously, now, the young Collins was quite talented. I assume that you're a relatively young Nets fan, and that possibly you started to like the Nets when Boone got drafted. So, is it not possible that before you started watching the Nets, Jason Collins used to be a far better player? I'd say it's not only a possibility...it's a fact. He didn't get 6 mil a year for nothing. He showed alot of promise as a youth, as does Josh Boone...except, IIRC, he also showed less injury-proneness before that 6 mil signing.

So far, it's a pretty valid comparison to me. Would you argue that Boone is not injury prone? Because...if not, then it sounds like a possible Jason Collins the second to me. Injuries could ruin what talent Boone currently has, and turn him into another Collins. Think about that, let it sink in before you make a reply.
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I never saw Collins when he was good, I was under the appresion that Boone was being compared to this Collins that we see now. Yes Boone has some minor injurie problems but as long as he can stay healthy i dont see why Boone cant be a very good soild starter in the NBA
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Okay. Now we've got that cleared up.

I agree with you. The only thing that would really hold him back is size(which he could work on) and injury.
 
I watched all the 2001 and 2002 games with Twin and I know he never put up a 5 game stretch were he averaged 9.6 points and 8 rebounds a game...this is the 1st real opportunity Boone has gotten and he's taking advantage. Collins may be the most overrated player in NBA history. Too say his athleticism was ever anywhere comparable to Boone's is an insult. Even out of College Collin's weakness was his athleticism and laterall quickness which happen to be 2 of Josh Boone's better attributes...the knock on Boone was that he was 6'10 and might be too small to play center and that he lacks a faceup offensive game.

Bottom line Twin has only gotten worse as time has passed and currently Josh Boone is a major upgrade.
 
I think the best-case scenario for Boone is Anderson Varajeo. Athletic enough, noted for defense and hustle, grim haircut, and he can't create for himself on offense; he relies on put-backs, and assisted lay ups.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 21 2007, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I watched all the 2001 and 2002 games with Twin and I know he never put up a 5 game stretch were he averaged 9.6 points and 8 rebounds a game...this is the 1st real opportunity Boone has gotten and he's taking advantage. Collins may be the most overrated player in NBA history. Too say his athleticism was ever anywhere comparable to Boone's is an insult. Even out of College Collin's weakness was his athleticism and laterall quickness which happen to be 2 of Josh Boone's better attributes...the knock on Boone was that he was 6'10 and might be too small to play center and that he lacks a faceup offensive game.

Bottom line Twin has only gotten worse as time has passed and currently Josh Boone is a major upgrade.</div>

If you put today's Boone on those Nets teams, he wouldn't put up those numbers either. Likewise, if you put that Twin on this Nets team, he would be putting up better numbers. When Twin had his mobility, he didn't need to any more than be the 5th wheel and keep the ball moving. Boone would have killed the offense on those teams and his defensive weaknesses would have hurt the team too.

In the playoffs in May of 2003, Twin had a double double against Ben Wallace
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Dec 21 2007, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think the best-case scenario for Boone is Anderson Varajeo. Athletic enough, noted for defense and hustle, grim haircut, and he can't create for himself on offense; he relies on put-backs, and assisted lay ups.</div>

Andy without the defense or the hands. That is another good comparison
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 21 2007, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 21 2007, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I watched all the 2001 and 2002 games with Twin and I know he never put up a 5 game stretch were he averaged 9.6 points and 8 rebounds a game...this is the 1st real opportunity Boone has gotten and he's taking advantage. Collins may be the most overrated player in NBA history. Too say his athleticism was ever anywhere comparable to Boone's is an insult. Even out of College Collin's weakness was his athleticism and laterall quickness which happen to be 2 of Josh Boone's better attributes...the knock on Boone was that he was 6'10 and might be too small to play center and that he lacks a faceup offensive game.

Bottom line Twin has only gotten worse as time has passed and currently Josh Boone is a major upgrade.</div>

If you put today's Boone on those Nets teams, he wouldn't put up those numbers either. Likewise, if you put that Twin on this Nets team, he would be putting up better numbers. When Twin had his mobility, he didn't need to any more than be the 5th wheel and keep the ball moving. Boone would have killed the offense on those teams and his defensive weaknesses would have hurt the team too.

In the playoffs in May of 2003, Twin had a double double against Ben Wallace
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Look right now Boone is 1000 times better than Collins. Its simple really.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 21 2007, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I watched all the 2001 and 2002 games with Twin and I know he never put up a 5 game stretch were he averaged 9.6 points and 8 rebounds a game...this is the 1st real opportunity Boone has gotten and he's taking advantage. Collins may be the most overrated player in NBA history. Too say his athleticism was ever anywhere comparable to Boone's is an insult. Even out of College Collin's weakness was his athleticism and laterall quickness which happen to be 2 of Josh Boone's better attributes...the knock on Boone was that he was 6'10 and might be too small to play center and that he lacks a faceup offensive game.

Bottom line Twin has only gotten worse as time has passed and currently Josh Boone is a major upgrade.</div>

Some of this is true, but some is hyperbole. you probably don't know that, in Collins' first season, he started 9 games--in those nine games, he averaged 9.1 points in 28 minutes, on 48% FG shooting and 76% FT%, 6.9 rebounds, 2.6 assists, nearly a block and a steal a game, and less than one TO per game. Over his first four seasons, as a starter, he averaged about 6.5 points, 5.5 rebounds (about a third of them on the offensive end), 73% FT%, 1.5 assists, and nearly a block and steal per game in about 28 minutes. Boone will never be able to match that FT% or have the passing ability Collins exhibited back then, but Boone can do other things.

Collins had a number of double-doubles back then--just check the game logs.

That's not to say that I don't agree about Boone--I strenuously argued that the nets should draft him as a future Collins replacement.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 21 2007, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 21 2007, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I watched all the 2001 and 2002 games with Twin and I know he never put up a 5 game stretch were he averaged 9.6 points and 8 rebounds a game...this is the 1st real opportunity Boone has gotten and he's taking advantage. Collins may be the most overrated player in NBA history. Too say his athleticism was ever anywhere comparable to Boone's is an insult. Even out of College Collin's weakness was his athleticism and laterall quickness which happen to be 2 of Josh Boone's better attributes...the knock on Boone was that he was 6'10 and might be too small to play center and that he lacks a faceup offensive game.

Bottom line Twin has only gotten worse as time has passed and currently Josh Boone is a major upgrade.</div>

If you put today's Boone on those Nets teams, he wouldn't put up those numbers either. Likewise, if you put that Twin on this Nets team, he would be putting up better numbers. When Twin had his mobility, he didn't need to any more than be the 5th wheel and keep the ball moving. Boone would have killed the offense on those teams and his defensive weaknesses would have hurt the team too.

In the playoffs in May of 2003, Twin had a double double against Ben Wallace
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I disagree...our offense currently stifles the ability of our frontcourt scoring as the rely on the big men for screens in the high post and general pick and roll. In the Byron Scott years the big men had to run the floor and saw more touches within 5 feet of the basket allowing a quick post up. With Boone's superior athleticism he would have more oppurtunities off the break.

Also remember Boone has to help defensively more than Collins did during those years...Kerry Kittles and Kenyon Martin were far superior defenders to Vince and Allen plus Kidd was quicker therefore Collins didn't have as much responsibility in the paint as Boone currently does defensively...if put on that team he would easily grab 2-3 more rebounds defensively.

Kmart made it easier on Collins...everyone forgets that...Boone has no help in the frontcourt defensively and is putting up better numbers than Collins...Boone has a lot of potential and honestly I've heard just way to many arguments against that potential that carry no weight. It's my opinion, you have yours only time will tell if I'm right or you are.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 21 2007, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 21 2007, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 21 2007, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I watched all the 2001 and 2002 games with Twin and I know he never put up a 5 game stretch were he averaged 9.6 points and 8 rebounds a game...this is the 1st real opportunity Boone has gotten and he's taking advantage. Collins may be the most overrated player in NBA history. Too say his athleticism was ever anywhere comparable to Boone's is an insult. Even out of College Collin's weakness was his athleticism and laterall quickness which happen to be 2 of Josh Boone's better attributes...the knock on Boone was that he was 6'10 and might be too small to play center and that he lacks a faceup offensive game.

Bottom line Twin has only gotten worse as time has passed and currently Josh Boone is a major upgrade.</div>

If you put today's Boone on those Nets teams, he wouldn't put up those numbers either. Likewise, if you put that Twin on this Nets team, he would be putting up better numbers. When Twin had his mobility, he didn't need to any more than be the 5th wheel and keep the ball moving. Boone would have killed the offense on those teams and his defensive weaknesses would have hurt the team too.

In the playoffs in May of 2003, Twin had a double double against Ben Wallace
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I disagree...our offense currently stifles the ability of our frontcourt scoring as the rely on the big men for screens in the high post and general pick and roll. In the Byron Scott years the big men had to run the floor and saw more touches within 5 feet of the basket allowing a quick post up. With Boone's superior athleticism he would have more oppurtunities off the break.

Also remember Boone has to help defensively more than Collins did during those years...Kerry Kittles and Kenyon Martin were far superior defenders to Vince and Allen plus Kidd was quicker therefore Collins didn't have as much responsibility in the paint as Boone currently does defensively...if put on that team he would easily grab 2-3 more rebounds defensively.

Kmart made it easier on Collins...everyone forgets that...Boone has no help in the frontcourt defensively and is putting up better numbers than Collins...Boone has a lot of potential and honestly I've heard just way to many arguments against that potential that carry no weight. It's my opinion, you have yours only time will tell if I'm right or you are.
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100% agree.

Also Boone will be a very good starter for the nets he is getting better and doing it quicker than I thought he would.
 
Josh_Boone, I know you like Boone but you are overrating him so much. I mean, he has some skill but he isn't going to be a top Nets player. And if he is, unless he scores 20 and 9 then you need someone else. He has a lot of work to do and right now he defense is still not good enough to be a great starter.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Dec 21 2007, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Josh_Boone, I know you like Boone but you are overrating him so much. I mean, he has some skill but he isn't going to be a top Nets player. And if he is, unless he scores 20 and 9 then you need someone else. He has a lot of work to do and right now he defense is still not good enough to be a great starter.</div>



Josh will be fine, I am not overrating him I know his skill set and what he can do. He will be a good starter for this team to come. Josh and Swat are the bigs of the future for this team.


Wait you are the one who said I was Josh Boone, i know you know.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 21 2007, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree...our offense currently stifles the ability of our frontcourt scoring as the rely on the big men for screens in the high post and general pick and roll.</div>

Allen and Krstic are the only Nets big men that have any semblence of offensive ability. Sean and Boone have to be spoonfed in order to score.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>In the Byron Scott years the big men had to run the floor and saw more touches within 5 feet of the basket allowing a quick post up. With Boone's superior athleticism he would have more oppurtunities off the break.

Also remember Boone has to help defensively more than Collins did during those years...Kerry Kittles and Kenyon Martin were far superior defenders to Vince and Allen plus Kidd was quicker therefore Collins didn't have as much responsibility in the paint as Boone currently does defensively...if put on that team he would easily grab 2-3 more rebounds defensively.</div>

Boone can't hold a candle to Deke and Deke only averaged 7 RPG in November of 2002. Twin averaged 5 RPG as a starter that season. Your suggestion that Boone could reach Deke numbers is laughable.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kmart made it easier on Collins...everyone forgets that...Boone has no help in the frontcourt defensively and is putting up better numbers than Collins...Boone has a lot of potential and honestly I've heard just way to many arguments against that potential that carry no weight. It's my opinion, you have yours only time will tell if I'm right or you are.</div>

Boone is the one that is no help on defense. Sean is a significantly better defender than Boone.
 
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