Connecticut School Shooting

[MARIS61]

Clearly the problem is a combined one. Stupidity, mental illness, and guns. A multi-pronged approach is what's needed. This community had no previous problems of violence. (this was mental illness) DC has tons of problems with violence(this was stupidity) mexico has tons of problems (arizona is right across the border and ease of purchase illegally/legally)

Stupidity of people in the shooter's life, who either help push him over the edge or ignore the warning signs due to apathy.

Mental illness, which has steadily increased at the same pace the 1%'ers have taken healthcare availability away from the average citizen.

Guns, which have been removed from the average citizen's possession or restricted from places where crowds gather.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I'd be happy to answer any question you have from my POV, but your second sentence seems ignorant. The events of the last few months have only driven me closer to buying one and a CCL. It'll probably happen when I get back home after the holidays.

Nobody buys a gun and a concealed carry without the expectation that they will use the gun in public. Why buy one otherwise? Seriously.

 

[PapaG]

you said he is being interviewed about "being a fan" of the Daily Show. Come on.

He looks like a younger version of the dude on FB that was on HuffPo, but I could be wrong. Any reliable source that says that's him or are you just going by what the YT uploader says?

It was a video from after the 2008 election, which explains why he looks younger.

Anyhow, whatever. Thought it was interesting to show he wasn't some wild-eyed psychopath with some manifesto. Seems like a normal college-age guy in the video.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I honestly think it's more a mental health issue than a gun control issue. I'm not sure what needs to be done about it, but I think our Nation needs to start there

 

[PapaG]

Nobody buys a gun and a concealed carry without the expectation that they will use the gun in public. Why buy one otherwise? Seriously.

Well that's a bit too sweeping. I don't have CCW, but I imagine many who buy a CCW do so hoping that they never have to use it.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Countdown to blaming Obama for not giving him a job begins now.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Nobody buys a gun and a concealed carry without the expectation that they will use the gun in public. Why buy one otherwise? Seriously.

I have both a gun and a concealed weapons permit.

 

[PapaG]

I honestly think it's more a mental health issue than a gun control issue. I'm not sure what needs to be done about it, but I think our Nation needs to start there

I'll go further with this in terms of morality and how it applies to the value of life itself, but that's for a different day, and way too deep of a conversation this country is ready to have, judging by the meltdown some of my friends are having on Facebook with their silly emotional rants.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Countdown to blaming Obama for not giving him a job begins now.

In fairness, you don't see the blacks and Hispanics that he gave all the jobs to doing this. Kidding

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.davekopel.com/2a/othwr/principal&gun.htm

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Well that's a bit too sweeping. I don't have CCW, but I imagine many who buy a CCW do so hoping that they never have to use it.

Then why have one at all? Because you hope that you won't, but have an expectation you will. If this sort of a thing is a statistical anomaly, the bet you're making doesn't need to be made and you're just being paranoid. But if you think it isn't that unlikely... If you think that some maniac with a gun could happen near you... Then you buy and carry and expect in the back of your mind that you'll eventually use it. You practice at the range for enjoyment but also for preparedness. Why? Because you have bet that this isn't a statistical anomaly.

I want gun owners to admit that guns amplify the ability of people to kill. I want them to recognize this shit and deal with it. The government won't do as good a job as the people who respect gun ownership the most: gun owners.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I have both a gun and a concealed weapons permit.

Didn't you get both handed to you gratis when you moved to Texas?

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

It's not rocket science. It's usually as obvious as can be.

It's something that could be taught in our schools in a one-time, one-hour class.

No.

I had personal experience on this matter with the guy that killed his kids, then himself in Hillsboro a few years ago. It is.not.that simple

 

[BrianFromWA]

Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to get mental health treatment?

It's not. 6 months ago I attempted to buy a pistol in CA. I had a valid (WA) driver's licence, a military ID, orders recalling me to active duty and a date for when I was going to Afghanistan. I had certificates from two military weapons safety courses, and was attempting to buy a standard-issue 9mm Beretta 92FS. I was told that I couldn't b/c I didn't have a CA driver's license, and when I asked if they'd just see my orders that WA was my home of record at the time I was told the police would be called if I attempted to continue the conversation.

However, there seems to be no shortage of organized crime involved in weapons trafficking.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Didn't you get both handed to you gratis when you moved to Texas?

Boarder patrol hands them out with proper ID once you cross the state line

 

[MARIS61]

1. Guns that were designed for the sole purpose of killing humans should be either banned or very very hard to get your hands on. Outlaws will get them, sure. But police have them too. How many times does a bank robbery gone wrong result in 20 dead children?

Children don't hang out in banks.

2. Mental health issues are tough and will only get tougher as the country grows more conservative. The same people who want to keep guns on the streets are the same people who don't want to help those who literally cannot help themselves.

Bullshit. I have 2 main political issues which I am adamant about. Only 2.

I am for 100% socialized healthcare and I am 100% behind The Second Amendment.

...

 

[BrianFromWA]

Nobody buys a gun and a concealed carry without the expectation that they will use the gun in public. Why buy one otherwise? Seriously.

If you are robbed at an ATM, do you consider that "public"? If you are carjacked, do you consider that "public"?

If so, then yes. You only need a weapon when you need a weapon badly. I don't feel like dying (or having my family killed) just b/c a guy had a bad day and was able to get his hands on a weapon. Fortunately, I'm trained to do more than sit down and pee my pants waiting for either a) the cops to show up or b) the murderer to get me.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

No.

I had personal experience on this matter with the guy that killed his kids, then himself in Hillsboro a few years ago. It is.not.that simple

Agreed; mental illness is concealed pretty easily depending on the nature of it. And people closest to that person are often the least qualified to judge because you simply love the person too much to see the problem before its too late.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

It's not. 6 months ago I attempted to buy a pistol in CA. I had a valid (WA) driver's licence, a military ID, orders recalling me to active duty and a date for when I was going to Afghanistan. I had certificates from two military weapons safety courses, and was attempting to buy a standard-issue 9mm Beretta 92FS. I was told that I couldn't b/c I didn't have a CA driver's license, and when I asked if they'd just see my orders that WA was my home of record at the time I was told the police would be called if I attempted to continue the conversation.

However, there seems to be no shortage of organized crime involved in weapons trafficking.

It is. You should have just gone to a gun show with a fistful of cash.

Maybe there should be free psychotherapists next to every gun show.

 

[PapaG]

Unconfirmed report that the shooter is Ryan Lanza's younger brother Adam, and that Ryan Lanza is in custody in New Jersey???

In the age of immediate information, it sure is noticeable how wildly these stories tend to flucuate.

 

[MARIS61]

how many veterans (in government, socialized, VA healthcare) have their mental illnesses treated?

Tens of thousands would be my guess. I know 2 of them personally.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

If you are robbed at an ATM, do you consider that "public"? If you are carjacked, do you consider that "public"?

If so, then yes. You only need a weapon when you need a weapon badly. I don't feel like dying (or having my family killed) just b/c a guy had a bad day and was able to get his hands on a weapon. Fortunately, I'm trained to do more than sit down and pee my pants waiting for either a) the cops to show up or b) the murderer to get me.

You sound like you have some tough guy swagger there. That's what I'm talking about: you guys fantasize about being tough and the gun puts you over the edge from acting tough to being tough. We'll see how good the value proposition of a gun is against a mugger already on your ass at the ATM, or a carjacker already pointing a gun at you. Can you even hope to act fast enough to keep your head in one piece? Science says no. You start with a robber and a carjacker, but pulling a gun turns them both into murderers pretty quick.

And calling people who don't see the point of gun ownership pants wetting pussies doesn't do you any favors in dispelling the myth of the gun owner as dick-so-hard to use the gun as a vigilante.

 

[PapaG]

It is. You should have just gone to a gun show with a fistful of cash.

Maybe there should be free psychotherapists next to every gun show.

LOL

No

 

[PapaG]

You sound like you have some tough guy swagger there. That's what I'm talking about: you guys fantasize about being tough and the gun puts you over the edge from acting tough to being tough. We'll see how good the value proposition of a gun is against a mugger already on your ass at the ATM, or a carjacker already pointing a gun at you. Can you even hope to act fast enough to keep your head in one piece? Science says no. You start with a robber and a carjacker, but pulling a gun turns them both into murderers pretty quick.

And calling people who don't see the point of gun ownership pants wetting pussies doesn't do you any favors in dispelling the myth of the gun owner as dick-so-hard to use the gun as a vigilante.

Totally uncalled for post, and by a surprising source.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Unconfirmed report that the shooter is Ryan Lanza's younger brother Adam, and that Ryan Lanza is in custody in New Jersey???

In the age of immediate information, it sure is noticeable how wildly these stories tend to flucuate.

CNN has a brother dead in a home somewhere, then he went to kill his mom

 

[bluefrog]

Unconfirmed report that the shooter is Ryan Lanza's younger brother Adam, and that Ryan Lanza is in custody in New Jersey???

In the age of immediate information, it sure is noticeable how wildly these stories tend to flucuate.

And people post videos with misleading titles that further confuse the situation.

 

[MARIS61]

Agreed; mental illness is concealed pretty easily depending on the nature of it. And people closest to that person are often the least qualified to judge because you simply love the person too much to see the problem before its too late.

Nonsense. If you know the person well or live with them you will know when their mental state needs attention. The closeness/loyalty factor keeps them from telling anyone.

The problem is there's not much one can do about it, since treating mental illness is expensive and usually ineffective in the long run anyway, and can only be forced on someone with a court order.

 

[BrianFromWA]

You sound like you have some tough guy swagger there. That's what I'm talking about: you guys fantasize about being tough and the gun puts you over the edge from acting tough to being tough.

Then again, "what you're talking about" is ignorant. What's "acting so tough" about protecting yourself and the people you love from the bad people out there? What "puts me over the edge to being tough"? I don't need to justify my toughness or lack thereof to anyone.

We'll see how good the value proposition of a gun is against a mugger already on your ass at the ATM, or a carjacker already pointing a gun at you. Can you even hope to act fast enough to keep your head in one piece? Science says no.

Training has proven yes.

And calling people who don't see the point of gun ownership pants wetting pussies doesn't do you any favors in dispelling the myth of the gun owner as dick-so-hard to use the gun as a vigilante.

I didn't project. I said I'm trained to do more than that. If you aren't, and that makes you feel like a pussy, I'm sorry...wasn't my intention. Some of us are trained to not be soft targets, and many aren't.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

...

Okay, 20 dead anybody?

Also, you're not a politician, so I wasn't talking about you.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Got a meeting (stupid work)... see y'all tonight.