Connecticut School Shooting

[Denny Crane]

not conflicting. When talking striclty of people being murdered. UK has their lowest homicide total in 30 years currently. Is it JUST because of gun laws? Very likely no. Does it help? You're linking to an article written 10 years ago.

Spin it how you wish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

Compared with the United States of America, the United Kingdom has a slightly higher total crime rate per capita of approximately 85 per 1000 people, while in the USA it is approximately 80.[61]

Since 1998, the number of people injured by firearms in England and Wales increased by 110%,[62] from 2,378 in 1998/99 to 5,001 in 2005/06. Most of the rise in injuries were in the category slight injuries from the non-air weapons. "Slight" in this context means an injury that was not classified as "serious" (i.e., did not require detention in hospital, did not involve fractures, concussion, severe general shock, penetration by a bullet or multiple shot wounds). In 2005/06, 87% of such injuries were defined as "slight," which includes the use of firearms as a threat only. In 2007, the British government was accused by Shadow Home Secretary David Davis of making "inaccurate and misleading" statements claiming that gun crime was falling, after official figures showed that gun-related killings and injuries recorded by police had risen more than fourfold since 1998, mainly due to a rise in non-fatal injuries.[63][64] In 2007, Justice Minister Jack Straw told the BBC, "We are concerned that within the overall record, which is a good one, of crime going down in the last 10-11 years, the number of gun-related incidents has gone up. But it has now started to fall."[65]

In 2008 The Independent reported that there were 42 gun-related deaths in Great Britain, a 20-year low.[66] However, in late 2009 The Telegraph reported that gun crime had doubled in the last 10 years, with an increase in both firearms offences and deaths. A government spokesman said this increase was a result of a change in reporting practices in 2001 and that gun crime had actually fallen since 2005. Chris Grayling, the Shadow Home Secretary (an opposition party spokesperson), attributed the rise to ineffective policing and an out-of-control gang culture.[67] Writing in the British Journal of Criminology, Dr Jeanine Baker and Dr Samara McPhedran found no measurable effect detectable from the 1997 firearms legislation with ARIMA statistical analysis.[14]

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

I'm so glad we're having this conversation, now crazy people won't get their hands on guns.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

pic of the shooter, apparantly...they're doing the trayvon martin baby pic thing here.

 

[THE HCP]

Helpful would be deleting the post from MARIS where he personally attacked HCP for his profession, which takes him away from raising his kids.

That is straight-up trolling.

Somebody PM me what this guy said about my family right now! I just landed in Houston!

 

[RR7]

slightly higher, but much lower murder rate. They also have a higher percentage of their population living in urban areas, which I would contend adds to crime rate increase. But, no spin, they have a ban on guns. They have a murder rate much lower than ours. You can feel free to post articles about other shooters, or show statistics of where other shootings have happened if it helps your cause.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

pic of the shooter, apparantly...they're doing the trayvon martin baby pic thing here.

You go to press with the pics you have.

 

[Haakzilla]

...I think this info graphic sums up what Denny and MARIS are trying to convey:

 

[Denny Crane]

slightly higher, but much lower murder rate. They also have a higher percentage of their population living in urban areas, which I would contend adds to crime rate increase. But, no spin, they have a ban on guns. They have a murder rate much lower than ours. You can feel free to post articles about other shooters, or show statistics of where other shootings have happened if it helps your cause.

No spin. You assume their gun laws have something to do with a lower murder rate than ours.

They had a lower murder rate than ours for 100 years.

They had as low a murder rate before they banned guns.


I mean, you said yourself their murder rate is at a 30 year low. 30 years ago was before the gun ban.

 

[Denny Crane]

Brainiac asked the most relevant question so far.

What to do about MURDER in general.

Seems to me that domestic violence is likely the biggest source. People just don't get along. Have hallway sex (say "fuck you" as they pass in the hallway) and it goes downhill from there. Maybe your roommate hogs the TV or steals from your wallet. That sort of thing.

Then there's the use of guns in the course of committing a crime. I don't think most killings start out with the killer intending to commit murder. Rather they want to intimidate a robbery victim by waving a gun and things get out of hand. Hence my suggestion we throw the book at anyone using a gun in the commission of a crime. Catch a guy robbing a store with a gun (no shots fired), lock him up for 20 years.

 

[julius]

late to the dance.

I get that the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms, but does that mean that every gun has to be OK?

Is there no gun that should be outlawed for citizens to own?

 

[Denny Crane]

late to the dance.

I get that the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms, but does that mean that every gun has to be OK?

Is there no gun that should be outlawed for citizens to own?

What do you think?

 

[Sedatedfork]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/20/mass-shootings-list.html

MASS SHOOTINGS
1. Oslo Norway, 80 people killed
2. Baku Azerbaijan, 12 people killed
3. rural Alabama, 10 people killed
4. Kauhojoki Finland, 10 people killed
5. Tuusula Finland, 8 people killed
6. Blacksburg Va, 32 people killed
7. Erfurt Germany, 13 teachers, 2 students, 1 policeman killed
8. Columbine, 12 students, 1 teacher killed
9. Tasmania Australia, 20 people killed, 15 more as he drove away.
10. Dunblane Scotland, 16 kindergarten children killed, and the teacher
11. Killeen Texas, 23 people killed
12. Jacksonville Fla, 10 people killed
13. Montreal, 14 women killed
14. Hungerford England, 16 people killed
15. Edmond Okla, 14 people killed
16. San Ysidro CA, 21 people killed

The rampage in Tasmania directly led Australia to pass strict gun control laws.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Are you sure some of you want to ban guns?

 

[julius]

What do you think?

I think there should be certain guns that the general public shouldn't own or ever have access to. I also think it should be much harder for people to get guns.

I'm not saying all guns, just certain guns. And the ownership of guns should be more regulated.

 

[julius]

Are you sure some of you want to ban guns?

Although I doubt he would, Justin Bieber should address this and say "hey, idiots. I'm not more important than a tragedy. And if you think otherwise, please stop buying my music and stop considering yourself a fan of me or my music"

 

[Denny Crane]

The rampage in Tasmania directly led Australia to pass strict gun control laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash_University_shooting

 

[Denny Crane]

I think there should be certain guns that the general public shouldn't own or ever have access to. I also think it should be much harder for people to get guns.

I'm not saying all guns, just certain guns. And the ownership of guns should be more regulated.

Where do you draw the line?

I am torn on this one:

That's a .50 caliber rifle. The rounds are the same ones that are used in military plane machine guns. Like to shoot down planes. I imagine some nutcase sitting on a hill overlooking an airport somewhere trying to shoot at airplanes. But there never has been a report of this kind of thing, and I think it would actually take a machine gun (vs. 1 shot) to take out a plane.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

i fired a sniper rifle at the gun shop in Vegas. fun as fuck.

 

[RR7]

you're torn on that? What use does that thing have?

 

[Chocolove]

HCP I hear what you're saying, but when you start giving up freedoms in the name of protection, that's when you stop being free. I honestly believe that. If you take away guns, it will be something else. These people are disturbed. I posted that article about the guy in China who stabbed 20 little kids today at a school. Crazy is crazy. If they want to hurt someone, they will find a way. I can't remember where I heard it, but basically if someone is willing to trade their life for the life of others, there is nothing you can do to stop it.

But wouldn't you rather have it be something else instead of guns? In the China case, the kids were only wounded because the guy didn't have easy access to a gun so he had to go with a knife instead, it's still a fucked up case but it's better than having dead kids.

 

[Denny Crane]

you're torn on that? What use does that thing have?

What use does a Ferrari have vs. a Smart Car?

People want it because they find it fun.

I pointed out I'm not a fan of guns because I wouldn't find it fun. But I also don't judge what someone else might. As long as there's no crime being committed, where's the beef?

 

[magnifier661]

you're torn on that? What use does that thing have?

If you are renovating your house; you can take downs retaining wall.

 

[julius]

if you gave me a list of all the guns you could buy, I'd probably be able to say one way or another

 

[Rastapopoulos]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/07/20/mass-shootings-list.html

MASS SHOOTINGS
1. Oslo Norway, 80 people killed
2. Baku Azerbaijan, 12 people killed
3. rural Alabama, 10 people killed
4. Kauhojoki Finland, 10 people killed
5. Tuusula Finland, 8 people killed
6. Blacksburg Va, 32 people killed
7. Erfurt Germany, 13 teachers, 2 students, 1 policeman killed
8. Columbine, 12 students, 1 teacher killed
9. Tasmania Australia, 20 people killed, 15 more as he drove away.
10. Dunblane Scotland, 16 kindergarten children killed, and the teacher
11. Killeen Texas, 23 people killed
12. Jacksonville Fla, 10 people killed
13. Montreal, 14 women killed
14. Hungerford England, 16 people killed
15. Edmond Okla, 14 people killed
16. San Ysidro CA, 21 people killed

But I'm confused - I thought guns didn't kill people?

 

[Denny Crane]

if you gave me a list of all the guns you could buy, I'd probably be able to say one way or another

Why advocate banning guns if you don't even know what guns should be banned?

Seems like a funny position to be taking is all.

 

[magnifier661]

if you gave me a list of all the guns you could buy, I'd probably be able to say one way or another

Handguns are the most dangerous actually because you can conceal them easy

 

[Denny Crane]

But I'm confused - I thought guns didn't kill people?

Read the article. It names the PEOPLE who fired the guns.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Pro-gun folks are looking like total assholes.

The "right" was made during the era of muskets.

It needs an overhaul.

 

[magnifier661]

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...o-law-enforcement/expanded/expandhomicidemain

This is actually a pretty interesting read

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Especially the part where employers are almost twice as likely to kill their employees than vice versa.

OH SHIT THAT'S VICTIMS... DAMN.