Convincing Greg Oden

[Draco]

You don't lose Kaman for nothing. You offer Oden. He accepts. You wait the week. Portland doesn't match. You sign Oden. You trade Kaman. You sign Jordan. Wow. This stuff is hard.

Jordan will have a cap hold that would take up cap space so I don't think they would have the room to do that either.

 

[RR7]

Jordan will have a cap hold that would take up cap space so I don't think they would have the room to do that either.

True, his cap hold would be the MLE amount(obviously, this all relies on a similar CBA). But they'd still have roughly 10 million as a 1st year salary to offer. So they can throw out a 5 year, 58 million dollar offer. Without having to make any moves.

 

[PapaG]

Jordan will have a cap hold that would take up cap space so I don't think they would have the room to do that either.

Jordan has a $1.7 million cap hold. Jamario Moon has a $6 million cap hold, and Craig Smith has a $4.6 million cap hold, but I doubt either of them will be back with the Clippers.

So, with ~$12.5 million in cap space if the cap stays at last year's level, and $1.7 of that being used for Jordan, that leaves ~$10.8 million to offer Oden, and I think the Blazers would match it.

 

[PapaG]

True, his cap hold would be the MLE amount(obviously, this all relies on a similar CBA). But they'd still have roughly 10 million as a 1st year salary to offer. So they can throw out a 5 year, 58 million dollar offer. Without having to make any moves.

But if they can't move Kaman for nothing, they end up not only over the cap, but also over the luxury tax threshold.

They just traded away Baron Davis to get out of a salary situation, and Blake Griffin will have to be extended in two years.

Not at all realistic, IMO.

 

[RR7]

They sign Oden starting at 10. They sign Jordan starting at MLE. They keep Kaman. That puts them right at the cap. Roughly. Not over the LT. Not anywhere near it. And Kaman is an expiring, so when they need to worry about Griffin, he'll be gone.

I also feel we'd match the offer to Oden, by the way. I was giving other options that could happen this offseason.

I also don't think it'd be at all difficult for the Clippers to find someone interested in trading for Kaman while giving up nothing or next to nothing. Toronto and Cleveland both have a large TPE. Other teams have cap space. Sure many would be interested in a one year rental of a solid C.

 

[PapaG]

They sign Oden starting at 10. They sign Jordan starting at MLE. They keep Kaman. That puts them right at the cap. Roughly. Not over the LT. Not anywhere near it. And Kaman is an expiring, so when they need to worry about Griffin, he'll be gone.

I also feel we'd match the offer to Oden, by the way. I was giving other options that could happen this offseason.

I also don't think it'd be at all difficult for the Clippers to find someone interested in trading for Kaman while giving up nothing or next to nothing. Toronto and Cleveland both have a large TPE. Other teams have cap space. Sure many would be interested in a one year rental of a solid C.

You said Oden had a lot of options. If he goes the RFA route, it's not his option. Also, the Clips are at $45 million. Oden is another $10 million, and Jordan, even with the MLE, puts the Clips over $60 million. Plus, I think Jordan will get more than a MLE offer, but that's another story.

 

[RR7]

I said he had a lot of options. One option is the Clippers making him an offer. We match, but by having many options, I meant options of teams willing or able to make him an offer, regardless of whether we'd match. If he was looking for the most money possible from a team. There are options. Clippers being one. It is his options, as a RFA, to sign an offer sheet from any team that offers it to him. Regardless of whether we match, he has the option of getting an offer from the Clippers. From indiana. From Sacramento, etc. Many options available.

Jordan's first year salary can't start at more than the MLE.

 

[PapaG]

I said he had a lot of options. One option is the Clippers making him an offer. We match, but by having many options, I meant options of teams willing or able to make him an offer, regardless of whether we'd match. If he was looking for the most money possible from a team. There are options. Clippers being one. It is his options, as a RFA, to sign an offer sheet from any team that offers it to him. Regardless of whether we match, he has the option of getting an offer from the Clippers. From indiana. From Sacramento, etc. Many options available.

Jordan's first year salary can't start at more than the MLE.

You offered many more options that still seemed like a stretch. In the end, you did offer one more plausible option, although it was a circuitous route, with amendments, to get there.

I agree. The Clippers are a realistic option. You changed my mind!

I'll add that a Jordan RFA contract can be back-loaded, though, if a team likes him enough. I've seen $9-11 million/year in some rumors.

 

[RR7]

Treu, backloaded, but up front it can't be. And it would only jump up big in two years. At which time, Kaman and Mo Williams' contracts would both not be an issue, keeping them well below LT level.

I offered 7 options. 5 teams with more than enough cap space to offer him a decent sized deal. I don' t know how they're considered a stretch at all. I don't know how that only equates to one, but I really don't care.

 

[e_blazer]

I don't want a start a new Oden thread, so I'll just say here that I think Dave at Blazersedge nailed his analysis of the Oden situation: http://www.blazersedge.com/

 

[Draco]

I don't want a start a new Oden thread, so I'll just say here that I think Dave at Blazersedge nailed his analysis of the Oden situation: http://www.blazersedge.com/

Yeah, I think as long as we offer Oden a bit more than other teams he stays with us long-term. Players coming off rookie contracts are looking for that first big contract more then trying to force their way to specific clubs or different cities.