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As a Californian, I'd be fine with this plan. The United States of America was a fine experiment, but a failed one. We should all go our separate ways.
I would too. If the individual countries need to trade and all that they can and yes it sucks for land-locked states, but they aren't forced to stay Montana and Idaho, they can create the Montanaho if they want too.
 
You must be a red neck.

Nah...a redneck would have one of these;


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As a Californian, I'd be fine with this plan. The United States of America was a fine experiment, but a failed one. We should all go our separate ways.

It would be an interesting social experiment to see whether Democrat or Republican imbecilic legislatures screw things up the worst. I'd be willing to bet that within a couple of years we'd see proposals to fragment states by county.
 
I propose just two countries. One would be named the Elitist States of America - it would consist of the current west coast states, NE states, and Hawaii.
The country formed from the remainder would be named Flyover.

barfo
 
It would be an interesting social experiment to see whether Democrat or Republican imbecilic legislatures screw things up the worst. I'd be willing to bet that within a couple of years we'd see proposals to fragment states by county.

As to your first wondering, it would probably depend on the observer. I think California is doing awfully well, but I keep reading conservatives talk about California as a failed state hellhole. So, it probably depends on your priorities and what you value.

I definitely agree with your second statement.
 
As to your first wondering, it would probably depend on the observer. I think California is doing awfully well, but I keep reading conservatives talk about California as a failed state hellhole. So, it probably depends on your priorities and what you value.

I definitely agree with your second statement.
It's fun isn't it. The more left leaning think small towns are failed hellholes, and the right think the huge urban areas are mostly hellholes.
 
I'd be willing to bet that within a couple of years we'd see proposals to fragment states by county.

Why stop there? Why not have every tax lot a sovereign country? If your neighbor offends you, you can declare war on him. Geneva conventions apply, of course - you cannot piss on his corpse or rape his wife.

barfo
 
Why stop there? Why not have every tax lot a sovereign country? If your neighbor offends you, you can declare war on him. Geneva conventions apply, of course - you cannot piss on his corpse or rape his wife.

barfo
dog eat dog!
 
Why stop there? Why not have every tax lot a sovereign country? If your neighbor offends you, you can declare war on him. Geneva conventions apply, of course - you cannot piss on his corpse or rape his wife.

barfo

Stop telling me what to do or I shall unleash the full fury of my military upon you. I think I've got a slingshot somewhere.
 
Stop telling me what to do or I shall unleash the full fury of my military upon you. I think I've got a slingshot somewhere.

When we all meet at the UN I will make a speech denouncing you. Then you'll be sorry.

barfo
 
It's fun isn't it. The more left leaning think small towns are failed hellholes, and the right think the huge urban areas are mostly hellholes.
I'd like to see how well the more rural areas would do without the support from the more wealthy urban areas that provide double the tax revenue per capita of the more rural areas. No more rural electrification such as the Tennessee Valley Authority provides and has provided. This means less power poles which means less cable and telephone. No more shipping problematic health care patients to urban hospitals with their increase capacity and increased capability. Taxes would go up0 dramatically for rural areas. Let the bellyaching begin in rural areas known as the country named Flyover.
 
ok...people can correct me if I'm assuming things that aren't accurate or wouldn't work:

speaking of the stimulus/relief negotiations, wouldn't one of the simplest acts be to increase the amount and duration of unemployment insurance payments immediately? IIRC the payments are currently at somewhere between 40-50% of salary. Just bump that up to 80-100% of salary. make all claims immediately eligible and extend the duration from 26 weeks ? to at least a year, or as longs as is necessary. Don't the feds underwrite all unemployment insurance claims the states process?

seems like both sides could agree to that. Just do that one thing and do it now. Then follow it up with a major package supporting small businesses. Why the fuck do both sides insist on making one major bill with a bazillion provisions in it? Why not do single issue bills instead of having compromise wars while the economy is circling the drain?

is that too naive?
You are correct that would be a big help.

On other matter, I had prescription to fill and we're told to stay home so I asked about delivery. The med (for control of repetitive stress injuries) is a controlled substance, who knows why, you sure can't get high on it, so can't be delivered. I asked what if someone is actually in quarantine and needs prescription? Pharmacist said he doesn't know. Serious? No one has taken in consideration that people need prescriptions when under quarantine?
 
Stop telling me what to do or I shall unleash the full fury of my military upon you. I think I've got a slingshot somewhere.
Oh yeah, well I'll hit you with my drinking straw loaded with small peas.
 
Why stop there? Why not have every tax lot a sovereign country? If your neighbor offends you, you can declare war on him. Geneva conventions apply, of course - you cannot piss on his corpse or rape his wife.

barfo
Okay, i agree on the not pissing on his corpse part.
 
It's fun isn't it. The more left leaning think small towns are failed hellholes, and the right think the huge urban areas are mostly hellholes.

I'm left leaning and I love small towns and the open spaces. I'm a progressive, but I'd be fine living in Burns, or Lakeview, or John Day or Baker City or LaGrande. My wife would hate it a bunch, even though she loves camping over there
 
As a Californian, I'd be fine with this plan. The United States of America was a fine experiment, but a failed one. We should all go our separate ways.

Don't let the door hit ya....
 
I was saying yesterday they should make these two bills...
The first and most important one should be helping immediate needs. Individuals and families who need help, small businesses that need help, and Health services/workers. The second can be the one they do their stupid political agenda's and all that crap. They can figure out if or what they want to do for corporations and all that. It's ridiculous IMO that our politicians are so inept that they're trying to push their political agenda's, if they want to give money to those who need it immediately then they can, by splitting up the bills. Instead, they're trying to do one big bill that they slide all their stuff into. You have one side sliding crap into it, they look bad. You have another side saying, "oh no this is a bad bill", (without really showing up with their own bill), they look bad. Kind of think our government deserves to fall apart. We can go from the United States to the Divided States, states can be their own countries.

I agree with some of that, but I strongly disagree with your "both sides" stuff...I'm thinking that's bunk, but maybe I'm recalling things wrong:

the Democratic House worked with Munchin and the White House to pass a bill in short order 10 days ago. They did this while the republican senate was on recess...in a crisis. It would have passed sooner except that Louis Gohmert (R) held it up in the House for 24 hours and Rand Paul delayed unanimous consent in the Senate. The D's worked hard to make it a bi-partisan bill and not add pet bullshit to it and that's when they have the power to just shove shit down the throats of the R's but they didn't do it. They wanted to get something passed and stop the bleeding

that's the opposite of what is happening in the Senate. The R's are sticking a poison pill provision in with that 500B corporate "secret" slush fund with no fucking accountability....and Trump won't even promise that some of that money won't go to his businesses

so no, it's not "both sides" do it

that's not to say that in the 'climate' McConnell is forcing the Senate into that the D's aren't playing the same stupid fucking game. But 10 days ago Pelosi laid out a template for getting something done that the senate refuses to follow

my guess is that somehow the senate will get that bill passed with the bullshit secret corporate bailout in some form or another then immediately start blaming the D's in the house for holding up relief packages. Fuck that bailout and especially fuck it hard if it's 'secret', arbitrary, and hidden, with no strings attached
 
A clause in the Republican bill excludes nonprofits receiving Medicaid from any stimulus money. Although the stated target is Planned Parenthood (because women with COVID-19 really need unplanned pregnancy) the definition would also include many mental health centers, nursing homes, and rape crisis/domestic violence facilities.

Amy Klobuchar's husband has COVID-19.

Trump is furious that Governor Cuomo is getting better response to his press conferences than Trump is to his campaign rallies.

Fox news is mounting attacks on Dr. Fauci, arguably the most trusted person in the country, because he insists on saying when Trump is wrong on facts.

Hobby Lobby decided to stay open, and offer no sick leave, because they had a vision from god.

The governor of Mississippi decided against emergency measures, calling for a day of prayer instead. He was praised by Fox. Because who needs Fauci when you can worship god, I mean Trump?
 
I agree with some of that, but I strongly disagree with your "both sides" stuff...I'm thinking that's bunk, but maybe I'm recalling things wrong:

the Democratic House worked with Munchin and the White House to pass a bill in short order 10 days ago. They did this while the republican senate was on recess...in a crisis. It would have passed sooner except that Louis Gohmert (R) held it up in the House for 24 hours and Rand Paul delayed unanimous consent in the Senate. The D's worked hard to make it a bi-partisan bill and not add pet bullshit to it and that's when they have the power to just shove shit down the throats of the R's but they didn't do it. They wanted to get something passed and stop the bleeding

that's the opposite of what is happening in the Senate. The R's are sticking a poison pill provision in with that 500B corporate "secret" slush fund with no fucking accountability....and Trump won't even promise that some of that money won't go to his businesses

so no, it's not "both sides" do it

that's not to say that in the 'climate' McConnell is forcing the Senate into that the D's aren't playing the same stupid fucking game. But 10 days ago Pelosi laid out a template for getting something done that the senate refuses to follow

my guess is that somehow the senate will get that bill passed with the bullshit secret corporate bailout in some form or another then immediately start blaming the D's in the house for holding up relief packages. Fuck that bailout and especially fuck it hard if it's 'secret', arbitrary, and hidden, with no strings attached
At first I thought Munchin was a hilarious name and then I stopped and thought wait a minute. So, I looked it up. It's Mnuchin.
 
A clause in the Republican bill excludes nonprofits receiving Medicaid from any stimulus money. Although the stated target is Planned Parenthood (because women with COVID-19 really need unplanned pregnancy) the definition would also include many mental health centers, nursing homes, and rape crisis/domestic violence facilities.

Amy Klobuchar's husband has COVID-19.

Trump is furious that Governor Cuomo is getting better response to his press conferences than Trump is to his campaign rallies.

Fox news is mounting attacks on Dr. Fauci, arguably the most trusted person in the country, because he insists on saying when Trump is wrong on facts.

Hobby Lobby decided to stay open, and offer no sick leave, because they had a vision from god.

The governor of Mississippi decided against emergency measures, calling for a day of prayer instead. He was praised by Fox. Because who needs Fauci when you can worship god, I mean Trump?
Small towns are great but my medical needs surpass what small population areas can provide. Then there's the issue of my wife who loves concrete and neon, expensive stores, gas stations where she can pick and choose the lowest price, stores, stores, stores. She did love going to the beach to see my parents but I wonder if that wasn't because my mother took us out to eat at every restaurant in the Seaside thru Astoria region often. You'd be hard pressed to name a restaurant there that we haven't been to at least a dozen times.
 
https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/32320

I'm think the D's should compromise on the corporate bailout: give the R's about 350B of the corporate 'slush' fund as long as there is immediate and full disclosure

but only do it if the R's agree to full no-excuse absentee and early voting by mail
 
I agree with some of that, but I strongly disagree with your "both sides" stuff...I'm thinking that's bunk, but maybe I'm recalling things wrong:

the Democratic House worked with Munchin and the White House to pass a bill in short order 10 days ago. They did this while the republican senate was on recess...in a crisis. It would have passed sooner except that Louis Gohmert (R) held it up in the House for 24 hours and Rand Paul delayed unanimous consent in the Senate. The D's worked hard to make it a bi-partisan bill and not add pet bullshit to it and that's when they have the power to just shove shit down the throats of the R's but they didn't do it. They wanted to get something passed and stop the bleeding

that's the opposite of what is happening in the Senate. The R's are sticking a poison pill provision in with that 500B corporate "secret" slush fund with no fucking accountability....and Trump won't even promise that some of that money won't go to his businesses

so no, it's not "both sides" do it

that's not to say that in the 'climate' McConnell is forcing the Senate into that the D's aren't playing the same stupid fucking game. But 10 days ago Pelosi laid out a template for getting something done that the senate refuses to follow

my guess is that somehow the senate will get that bill passed with the bullshit secret corporate bailout in some form or another then immediately start blaming the D's in the house for holding up relief packages. Fuck that bailout and especially fuck it hard if it's 'secret', arbitrary, and hidden, with no strings attached
Yes, it's always the R's who are bad and the D's who are good. I spelled exactly my problem with the Democrats here. If you chose to believe the democrats are blameless than go ahead.
 
Amy Klobuchar's husband has COVID-19.

Trump is furious that Governor Cuomo is getting better response to his press conferences than Trump is to his campaign rallies.

Fox news is mounting attacks on Dr. Fauci, arguably the most trusted person in the country, because he insists on saying when Trump is wrong on facts.

Hobby Lobby decided to stay open, and offer no sick leave, because they had a vision from god.

The governor of Mississippi decided against emergency measures, calling for a day of prayer instead. He was praised by Fox. Because who needs Fauci when you can worship god, I mean Trump?


That's because Cuomo actually makes sense when he speaks.
 
Yes, it's always the R's who are bad and the D's who are good. I spelled exactly my problem with the Democrats here. If you chose to believe the democrats are blameless than go ahead.

give me a break with that crap TB...where the hell did I say the D's are "always good"....that's a straw man argument. Sometimes, the "both sides" argument is valid; that's not the case here

what I said was the way the D's in the House handled their emergency/relief legislation was much better than the way the R's are handling things when the ball is in their court

and for chrissakes, I was obviously talking about the urgency of passing legislation quickly that both sides can agree on. I would think things like unemployment insurance, small business relief, and help for hospitals and medical personnel is something both sides can agree on. They sure as hell pay lip service to it all the time. Why delay those three things with the demand for a secret 500B slush fund for corporations or go after Planned Parenthood, again?...can you justify that?

the House passed narrow legislation and got broad bi-partisan support. The R's in the senate are doing the opposite; trying to pass some giant bill filled with partisan wish lists and terrible accountability that is guaranteed to rankle the other side

Pelosi and the D's passed legislation that Trump green-lighted and was very likely to get unanimous consent in the senate. That streamlined the process and supercharged the timeline. Again, that's the opposite of what McConnell is doing, and we all know it

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/congress-coronavirus-stimulus-package-deal-friday-128140
 
give me a break with that crap TB...where the hell did I say the D's are "always good"....that's a straw man argument. Sometimes, the "both sides" argument is valid; that's not the case here

what I said was the way the D's in the House handled their emergency/relief legislation was much better than the way the R's are handling things when the ball is in their court

and for chrissakes, I was obviously talking about the urgency of passing legislation quickly that both sides can agree on. I would think things like unemployment insurance, small business relief, and help for hospitals and medical personnel is something both sides can agree on. They sure as hell pay lip service to it all the time. Why delay those three things with the demand for a secret 500B slush fund for corporations or go after Planned Parenthood, again?...can you justify that?

the House passed narrow legislation and got broad bi-partisan support. The R's in the senate are doing the opposite; trying to pass some giant bill filled with partisan wish lists and terrible accountability that is guaranteed to rankle the other side

Pelosi and the D's passed legislation that Trump green-lighted and was very likely to get unanimous consent in the senate. That streamlined the process and supercharged the timeline. Again, that's the opposite of what McConnell is doing, and we all know it

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/congress-coronavirus-stimulus-package-deal-friday-128140
I didn't make a "both side's" arguments I said one side was doing something and looked bad, and the other side was doing something else and looked bad. All you've been able to manage is to tell me how only the Republicans look bad. The both sides argument is "both sides do the same thing", I didn't say that. I said one side is trying to push their political agenda (the republicans) though after hearing more about it it sounds like both sides had their own agenda's in there), and the other side was just shutting it down while not bringing their own bill to the table. I said they should make it two bills so they can fondle each other's agenda's together at some other time because people who need money immediately aren't getting it. So yours is also the strawman argument because you're arguing something I wasn't arguing.

Cause to me all of them look like garbage right now, but for different reasons. Not because "both sides do it", cause that wasn't my argument.
 

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