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CupWizier said:
ok, thanks. My concern is that Oregon has over 4 million people and less than 25,000 have been tested. We have no idea how many are actually carrying the virus but it's nice to see Oregon's numbers so low right now and hope it continues. I just keep reading about people who have had some symptoms still being refused testing throughout the country.
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agree, and the Gov has been questioned as to why not using what she has available. I guess she wants to save for second wave?
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
A childhood friend of mine got tested, it came back negative. Then he said the doctors are going to treat him like he has it anyways. I have other friends who haven't been able to get tested. I'm not sure what he did that put him in the special group to get tested or if he got lucky. He's very much enjoying his time where he can play video games all day long though. He won't stop texting me about all the games he's playing.

It's a shame they can't get more tests done though, more data is always good IMO.
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My main concern is, are our numbers low because we have done a good job of social distancing and shutting down many parts of the state or are they low because of very limited testing and we are just around the corner of a major outbreak? I hope it's the first.
 
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CupWizier said:
My main concern is, are our numbers low because we have done a good job of social distancing and shutting down many parts of the state or are they low because of very limited testing and we are just arounfd the corner of a major outbreak? I hope it's the first.
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I'm sure we'd have more cases with more tests, but it's at leat a good sign that the # of positives from the tests that we've done is so low. Ideally, we'd all get tested. But, as is, it's kind of like polling, and making estimates from those numbers. Poll 25000 people, get the results, extrapolate for larger population, with some variance expected.
 
Orion Bailey said:
So ignore sound advice merely because it doesn't come with a punishment for not following?

Got it...


*"Nobody's looking so I can break the law..."
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I've already told you politely multiple times ...but OK, I'll put it another way...your advice is unsolicited, so mind your own business and I'll mind mine.
 
RR7 said:
I'm sure we'd have more cases with more tests, but it's at leat a good sign that the # of positives from the tests that we've done is so low. Ideally, we'd all get tested. But, as is, it's kind of like polling, and making estimates from those numbers. Poll 25000 people, get the results, extrapolate for larger population, with some variance expected.
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The trouble is, we don't know who is being tested. If for example you test only people on ventilators in the ICU, you'll probably get a very high % of positives. If you test only hermits who live in caves in the mountains, you'll probably get a very low percentage. Because there is no visibility into who is getting tested and why, the rate of positives is pretty much meaningless.

barfo
 
The world kind of feels like this right now:

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barfo said:
The trouble is, we don't know who is being tested. If for example you test only people on ventilators in the ICU, you'll probably get a very high % of positives. If you test only hermits who live in caves in the mountains, you'll probably get a very low percentage. Because there is no visibility into who is getting tested and why, the rate of positives is pretty much meaningless.

barfo
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True.
Test pirates who have been raping an pillaging lately and you get a high rate.
Test pirates who are self-quarantining in their mom's basement...not so much.
 
CupWizier said:
ok, thanks. My concern is that Oregon has over 4 million people and less than 25,000 have been tested. We have no idea how many are actually carrying the virus but it's nice to see Oregon's numbers so low right now and hope it continues. I just keep reading about people who have had some symptoms still being refused testing throughout the country.
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As far as I can tell, the number of tests per million for people in Oregon (6018) is close to par with other states...and Oregon only has 1,239 cases.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
 
yankeesince59 said:
As far as I can tell, the number of tests per million for people in Oregon (6018) is close to par with other states...and Oregon only has 1,239 cases.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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Yeah, I understand that part, but my concern is everyday I hear reports of people having symptoms and being turned away from testing because they are prioritizing. At this stage of the game, if a person has the sniffles, they should be tested. We can't just use projections for this kind of situation. We need more accurate numbers.
 
CupWizier said:
Yeah, I understand that part, but my concern is everyday I hear reports of people having symptoms and being turned away from testing because they are prioritizing. At this stage of the game, if a person has the sniffles, they should be tested. We can't just use projections for this kind of situation. We need more accurate numbers.
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Not sure but I think that's pretty much going on in most places...they're mostly testing people who are showing more severe symptoms and they're telling people that unless they are showing the more severe symptoms to stay at home, which I can understand.

I assume it has to do with not overwhelming the hospitals/staff/testing kits, etc...just a guess.

Needless to say, this country was not prepared for this, if it had been, the numbers would be much lower.
 
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RR7 said:
I'm sure we'd have more cases with more tests, but it's at leat a good sign that the # of positives from the tests that we've done is so low. Ideally, we'd all get tested. But, as is, it's kind of like polling, and making estimates from those numbers. Poll 25000 people, get the results, extrapolate for larger population, with some variance expected.
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In the country in total, 2.2 mil people have been tested, and 420k have been positive. Bigger sample size, but very clear bias towards the better on the west coast. Tells me they're doing something right.

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2020/coronavirus-testing-by-state-chart-of-new-cases/
 
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barfo said:
The trouble is, we don't know who is being tested. If for example you test only people on ventilators in the ICU, you'll probably get a very high % of positives. If you test only hermits who live in caves in the mountains, you'll probably get a very low percentage. Because there is no visibility into who is getting tested and why, the rate of positives is pretty much meaningless.

barfo
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It's a doctors call based on having enough symptoms. So i'm assuming many people that are tested have gone through the hoops as directed.
They are also deeming a death Covid19 even if they passed by other reasons and they tested positive. I heard a doctor talking about that.
 
USA now has the same number of deaths per 1,000,000 people as Iran...yup, fucking IRAN.
 
CupWizier said:
Yeah, I understand that part, but my concern is everyday I hear reports of people having symptoms and being turned away from testing because they are prioritizing. At this stage of the game, if a person has the sniffles, they should be tested. We can't just use projections for this kind of situation. We need more accurate numbers.
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Plus you could test negative and still catch it. I think our governor feels that testing and stats are important but not that much as compared to actual case admissions and deaths.
She wants to keep the doctors and hospitals manageable.
 
At this point, I'm not sure if we can really trust any of Trump's task force. Especially Deborah Birx.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
I'm guessing its more non-compliance and not taking this seriously more than anything else.


Article from February:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-02-13/coronavirus-outbreak-fear-san-gabriel-valley
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In my very anecdotal experience the ones who seem to be like, "whatever" are mostly seniors. Most of the people around my age I engage with are trying to follow the guidelines and all that for the most part. Most of the older people I know don't seem to care one way or another. In fact, I've had multiple 55+ year-old people tell me, "Eh I'm gonna die from something". It's strange since they're the high-risk crowd...
 
BigGameDamian said:
At this point, I'm not sure if we can really trust any of Trump's task force. Especially Deborah Birx.
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She's yet another White House parrot. But I think that Fauci, because he seems to speak his own mind, sometimes pisses Trump off to no end.
 
yankeesince59 said:
She's yet another White House parrot. But I think that Fauci, because he seems to speak his own mind, sometimes pisses Trump off to no end.
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Birx is at more of the briefings. She also gets more air time than Fauci when both are at the briefings. coincidence?
 
ABM said:
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That virus protection is out of date. The disk appears to say 2005. Maybe it will protect you from SARS, but not SARS-Cov-2.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That virus protection is out of date. The disk appears to say 2005. Maybe it will protect you from SARS, but not SARS-Cov-2.

barfo
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Oh, I forgot to include, the upgrade was/is available via butt plug.

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Hoopguru said:
Plus you could test negative and still catch it. I think our governor feels that testing and stats are important but not that much as compared to actual case admissions and deaths.
She wants to keep the doctors and hospitals manageable.
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Sure, but what has also been shown is that tests aren't being performed on many who have had some symptons though and sent home saying it's just a bronchitis or pneumonia. I'm not just talking Oregon. Also, it has been shown some can be carriers but not sick. Finding out who a carry is can be very importasnt as well. Most the dosctors I have read articles on and seen briefings by say testing testing testing. We need as much info as possible to kick this thing.
 
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barfo said:
The trouble is, we don't know who is being tested. If for example you test only people on ventilators in the ICU, you'll probably get a very high % of positives. If you test only hermits who live in caves in the mountains, you'll probably get a very low percentage. Because there is no visibility into who is getting tested and why, the rate of positives is pretty much meaningless.

barfo
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I disagree. I think you can assume that who is getting tested is at the very least equivalent to a random sample of the population. It is more likely skewed toward those who are at greater risk and those who have exhibited symptoms. I believe it is very good news.
 
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