OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (1 Viewer)

[Chris Craig]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ax...tes-3ce510ff-cd94-4b4a-89b8-58d8bca5d69f.html

Trump says decision on coronavirus reopening belongs to him, not governors

The Governors aren't listening. He can pretend to have all the imginary powers he wants. Doesn't make it reality.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You already know who I am. I am the guy living in your head rent free.

Pffft. You said Trump was obsessed with you. Delusions of grandeur.

 

[CupWizier]

8.5 million viewers disagree.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/business/media/trump-coronavirus-briefings-ratings.html
Let me guess... Literally Hitler?
Most successful Presidents are. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...rship/201610/narcissism-and-the-us-presidency

So this man that defeated a stacked GOP field of 13 candidates, The Bush war machine, The Clinton War Machine, Media, FBI, CIA, pundits, and Hollywood is stupid? So what does that say about all those groups I just mentioned?

It says you clearly have a biased mind and unwilling to see the big picture.

So Biden defeated a field of what? 25 democratic candidates?

 

[Chris Craig]

You already know who I am. I am the guy living in your head rent free.

Your both living in each others heads and the rent isn't free.

 

[magnifier661]

There are no major news agency's for Trump anymore.

Okay, let's unpack you're sensationalism.....

Even Fox is against him now.

All the prime-time on fox news are definitely "pro-trump" that is where they receive the highest viewership. And regardless... Are you talking about the same News Agencies that were calling this outbreak nothing more than the flu in January-February?

There is nothing of substance coming from Trump's mouth.

False. At the beginning of every press briefing, your President Trump gives updates on the supply chains, how many ICU beds are being moved and other various news on getting supplies to the state requesting them.

He has the IQ of a second grader.

That straw man (Trump is dumb) can easily be disproven. like I explained to @CupWizier, that "idiot" was able to defeat the Clinton War Machine, Press, Mueller, FBI, NSA, CIA, Bush war machine. FAIL

People are dying. It's not gaslighting. It's no hoax. It's reality.

Wait, are you still believing YOUR President called the pandemic a hoax? You are away that the WaPo fact checker apologized for spreading that fake news? I do believe every major fact checking site debunked that claim as well.

It is FDA approved...for Malaria, Lupus, and Arthritis not Covid-19. They have approved testing...it is not yet a proven or approved treatment as you claim.

WRONG. The FDA approved Hydroxycholoriquine for "Emergency Use"
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/fda-approves-the-emergency-use-of-chloroquine-for-covid-19/

Btw, thanks for continuing the "dialogue"

 

[CupWizier]

Pffft. You said Trump was obsessed with you. Delusions of grandeur.

 

[Chris Craig]

Pffft. You said Trump was obsessed with you. Delusions of grandeur.

No he didn't. Nice trying to fuck with him though

 

[magnifier661]

It says you clearly have a biased mind and unwilling to see the big picture.

So Biden defeated a field of what? 25 democratic candidates?

Actually, it wasn't Biden defeating the candidates, it was the Establishment... They rallied behind Biden and that had nothing to do with what Biden did. The GOP establishment tried rallying around any candidate that wasn't Trump. In fact, I'm sure you can search in this forum and find topics on that matter.

Now if you said, "Bernie Sanders was able to defeat the 25 democrats" the statement would be comparing apples to apples. The Democrat Establishment did not want Sanders as their nominee. They rallied to defeat him.

 

[Chris Craig]

Damn Neon is bright. Can't miss it. Actually, that may be argon

 

[CupWizier]

Actually, it wasn't Biden defeating the candidates, it was the Establishment... They rallied behind Biden and that had nothing to do with what Biden did. The GOP establishment tried rallying around any candidate that wasn't Trump. In fact, I'm sure you can search in this forum and find topics on that matter.

Now if you said, "Bernie Sanders was able to defeat the 25 democrats" the statement would be comparing apples to apples. The Democrat Establishment did not want Sanders as their nominee. They rallied to defeat him.

I'm sorry, but isn't Joe Biden going to be the democratic nominee? Do you have any link to say that he won't be?

 

[magnifier661]

I didn't say what you claimed I said. Show me where I did in full context.

Um really?

He repeats the same garbage over and over again and is merely using it as a pep rally that nobody cares about right now.

That's "full context." As I stated... Your statement is that nobody cares about his "pep rally briefings." That statement is false, which I already provided above.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm sorry, but isn't Joe Biden going to be the democratic nominee? Do you have any link to say that he won't be?

Ummmm... That's the point buddy. Hahaha

The Establishment was able to rally against Bernie Sanders to make Biden the Nominee. That had very little to do with Biden's fortitude.

 

[yankeesince59]

yes, but as you might be aware is that more people buy McDonalds than any other hamburger out there. What's my point you ask?



It pretty much shows you that numbers don't always tell you what you think.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/08/trump-approval-ratings-coronavirus-176105

I thought the 8.5 million viewers was kind funny myself...I mean, hell, there's 325 million people in the US and of the people who do watch those made for TV/Trump briefings most are Trump fans I would imagine...and 8.5 Million also doesn't sound so impressive when you consider that almost 60 million voted for him.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Please stop with the personal insults.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

No he didn't. Nice trying to fuck with him though

Section 8 tenants live in my basement anyway.

 

[CupWizier]

Ummmm... That's the point buddy. Hahaha

The Establishment was able to rally against Bernie Sanders to make Biden the Nominee. That had very little to do with Biden's fortitude.

Those are some wild conspiracy theories. There is more truth to Russia hacking our elections than any bernie consipracies and the democrats.

 

[magnifier661]

I thought the 8.5 million viewers was kind funny myself...I mean, hell, there's 325 million people in the US and of the people who do watch those made for TV/Trump briefings most are Trump fans I would imagine...and 8.5 Million also doesn't sound so impressive when you consider that almost 60 million voted for him.

Still invalidates his statement.

 

[Orion Bailey]

https://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/01/ratings-state-of-the-union-2016-217718

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[CupWizier]

Still invalidates his statement.

so tell me this mags.

You have no problem with a president that lies well over 16,000 lies and mistruths

You are okay with a president continually attacking the press calling them fake news when they call him out on his lies and mistruths

Do you think it represents the USA wll when he uses derogatory and racist names to describe those that dare say something against him?

Do you think he brings the country xcloser together rather than further dividing us?

Do you think it's good for the country to continually turnover this administration and fire those for doing thier job and fired because it goes against what trump wants? His firing of the IG over the whistleblower complaint shows exactly why congress enacted a law against exposing a whistleblower for fear of retailiation by an unhinged person.

I could go on and on for quite awhile, but I'm sure you get the point.

 

[Chris Craig]

Okay, let's unpack you're sensationalism.....

All the prime-time on fox news are definitely "pro-trump" that is where they receive the highest viewership. And regardless... Are you talking about the same News Agencies that were calling this outbreak nothing more than the flu in January-February?


False. At the beginning of every press briefing, your President Trump gives updates on the supply chains, how many ICU beds are being moved and other various news on getting supplies to the state requesting them.


That straw man (Trump is dumb) can easily be disproven. like I explained to @CupWizier, that "idiot" was able to defeat the Clinton War Machine, Press, Mueller, FBI, NSA, CIA, Bush war machine. FAIL


Wait, are you still believing YOUR President called the pandemic a hoax? You are away that the WaPo fact checker apologized for spreading that fake news? I do believe every major fact checking site debunked that claim as well.


WRONG. The FDA approved Hydroxycholoriquine for "Emergency Use"
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/fda-approves-the-emergency-use-of-chloroquine-for-covid-19/

Btw, thanks for continuing the "dialogue"

Sure, there are a couple stooges who on Fox who support Trump, but when even his "personal" news station is beginning to turn against him, that is not a good sign.

So what, he reads a list written by someone else at the beginning. A lot of which is not always factually correct. Then it de-evolves into his actual own words which are embarassing incoherent jibber jabber. He needs to stop using these briefings like he is at a rally. He is not doing himself any favors.

That doesn't make him smart or his IQ any higher that he has managed to stay out of trouble. He got saved by the republican senate and his corrupt AG...its corruption not intelligence.

I was commenting on your use of gaslighting. Its not just some fear mongering, it's reality. People are dying.

The FDA has oked it for testing....the emergency use mechanism is part of it's way to accelerate testing. It is not completely approved...not finalized. There is still a lot of doubt as to whether it really works for Covid-19.

 

[wizenheimer]

WTF is wrong with some people?

https://www.nyspnews.com/peekskill-man-arrested-for-slashing-tires-hospital-workers.htm


https://nypost.com/2020/04/11/nurses-tires-slashed-in-ny-hospital-parking-lot/
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also, in the "yes, we are giant fucking hypocrites" category, the Supreme Court has decided to do their work by teleconference, BECAUSE COVID, less than a week after they forced Wisconsin voters to vote in a primary, DESPITE COVID.....assholes for irony

 

[magnifier661]

The FDA has oked it for testing....the emergency use mechanism is part of it's way to accelerate testing. It is not completely approved...not finalized. There is still a lot of doubt as to whether it really works for Covid-19.

False

Having concluded that the criteria for issuance of this authorization under 564(c) of the Act are met, I am authorizing the emergency use of chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate, as described in the Scope of Authorization section of this letter (Section II) for treatment of COVID-19 when clinical trials are not available, or participation is not feasible, subject to the terms of this authorization.

II. Scope of Authorization

1. The SARS-CoV-2 can cause a serious or life-threatening disease or condition, including severe respiratory illness, to humans infected by this virus;
   
   
2. Based on the totality of scientific evidence available to FDA, it is reasonable to believe that chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate may be effective in treating COVID-19, and that, when used under the conditions described in this authorization, the known and potential benefits of chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate when used to treat COVID-19 outweigh the known and potential risks of such products; and
   
   
3. There is no adequate, approved, and available alternative to the emergency use of chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate for the treatment of COVID- 19.6

I have concluded, pursuant to Section 564(d)(1) of the Act, that the scope of this authorization is limited to chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate for the treatment of COVID- 19, as described in this section.

Authorized Chloroquine Phosphate

I am authorizing use of the following chloroquine phosphate product distributed from the SNS to public health authorities :

• Chloroquine phosphate that is not approved by FDA for any indication.7
  
  
• The chloroquine phosphate must be administered by a healthcare provider pursuant to a
  
  valid prescription of a licensed practitioner.
  
  
• The chloroquine phosphate may only be used to treat adult and adolescent patients who weigh 50 kg or more and are hospitalized with COVID-19, for whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible.
  

https://www.fda.gov/media/136534/download

 

[Orion Bailey]

@magnifier661
For your reading pleasure.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/sell-me-on-a-better-plan.353523/

 

[yankeesince59]

"stilted conversations, I'm afraid that's all we've got"

 

[yankeesince59]

Obama??...seriously?

 

[magnifier661]

so tell me this mags.

Okay, I will give it a shot.

You have no problem with a president that lies well over 16,000 lies and mistruths

Response to gaslighting question 1: No, I don't have a problem with words. I go by actions. This is a Trump strategy to suffocate the news cycle. He puts in the hook, the media takes the bait, everyone goes crazy and talks about it, then Trump does something entirely different. Those not suffering from TDS can see it very clearly.

You are okay with a president continually attacking the press calling them fake news when they call him out on his lies and mistruths

Response to gaslighting question 2: No problem at all. I've grown to accept that EVERY politician lies. And most of them lie very frequently. As I said above, I look at action over words. Glad OUR PRESIDENT's Actions are exactly the reason I voted for him.

The press are supposed to be the arbiters of truth. To keep the politicians honest. The term #FakeNews is solely based on their attempt to control the narrative.

Do you think it represents the USA wll when he uses derogatory and racist names to describe those that dare say something against him?

False Equivalency Argument. This requires a morality response that is designed to attach misconstrued statements to a group of racist outliers.

Do you think he brings the country xcloser together rather than further dividing us?

The country has been polarized long before Trump. I would say again.... The answer would be on the actions, not words. Until this pandemic, minority unemployment saw historical lows. The Trump administration passed many legislations that promoted the release of majority black prisoners, HUD development programs to infuse federal funds to Urban communities. There is a reason why more black and hispanic Americans approve of the President than they did in 2016.

Do you think it's good for the country to continually turnover this administration and fire those for doing thier job and fired because it goes against what trump wants? His firing of the IG over the whistleblower complaint shows exactly why congress enacted a law against exposing a whistleblower for fear of retailiation by an unhinged person.

I think the administration, like every administration before them, should replace their administration with those loyal to the President. The Obama Administration fired almost all of the Bush Admin when coming into office and the Bush Admin did for the Clinton Admin.

This was the biggest mistake of the Trump Administration. They left too many "hold-overs" from the previous administration. Notice once firing the White House Security Hold-overs there aren't any leaks?

So, all your questions were moral and sensational arguments. Just FYI.

 

[CupWizier]

Okay, I will give it a shot.

Response to gaslighting question 1: No, I don't have a problem with words. I go by actions. This is a Trump strategy to suffocate the news cycle. He puts in the hook, the media takes the bait, everyone goes crazy and talks about it, then Trump does something entirely different. Those not suffering from TDS can see it very clearly.


Response to gaslighting question 2: No problem at all. I've grown to accept that EVERY politician lies. And most of them lie very frequently. As I said above, I look at action over words. Glad OUR PRESIDENT's Actions are exactly the reason I voted for him.

The press are supposed to be the arbiters of truth. To keep the politicians honest. The term #FakeNews is solely based on their attempt to control the narrative.


False Equivalency Argument. This requires a morality response that is designed to attach misconstrued statements to a group of racist outliers.


The country has been polarized long before Trump. I would say again.... The answer would be on the actions, not words. Until this pandemic, minority unemployment saw historical lows. The Trump administration passed many legislations that promoted the release of majority black prisoners, HUD development programs to infuse federal funds to Urban communities. There is a reason why more black and hispanic Americans approve of the President than they did in 2016.


I think the administration, like every administration before them, should replace their administration with those loyal to the President. The Obama Administration fired almost all of the Bush Admin when coming into office and the Bush Admin did for the Clinton Admin.

This was the biggest mistake of the Trump Administration. They left too many "hold-overs" from the previous administration. Notice once firing the White House Security Hold-overs there aren't any leaks?

So, all your questions were moral and sensational arguments. Just FYI.

I know exactly what kind of questions they were. Your answers, although not surprising leave me a bit concerned but right in line with the trump cult. Just be cautious of the trump kool-aid though.

 

[magnifier661]

I know exactly what kind of questions they were. Your answers, although not surprising leave me a bit concerned but right in line with the trump cult. Just be cautious of the trump kool-aid though.

Noted... Make sure you get some help from TDS as well. Maybe we can meet in the middle.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Actually, it wasn't Biden defeating the candidates, it was the Establishment... They rallied behind Biden and that had nothing to do with what Biden did. The GOP establishment tried rallying around any candidate that wasn't Trump. In fact, I'm sure you can search in this forum and find topics on that matter.

Now if you said, "Bernie Sanders was able to defeat the 25 democrats" the statement would be comparing apples to apples. The Democrat Establishment did not want Sanders as their nominee. They rallied to defeat him.

Welcome back, buddy!

How are you and the family?