OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

[wizenheimer]

Wait a few days for the official statement, but I suspect this power the Congress gave to the executive branch has something to do with it. Probably why you aren’t hearing governors speaking out.

I guess you missed the 8 governors today who essentially said they would be making those decision based upon the situations in their own states. The 3 west coast governors released a joint statement affirming cooperation on future action. Even Mike Dewine, R, was on tv tonight talking about it. He tried to be really deferential to the mad king, but he basically said the buck stops with governors, not in the white house throne room

Congress can't pass a bill deleting parts of the constitution because trump is fantasizing about imaginary power

besides all that, if trump tries to open up the economy on May 1st while several states are refusing to cooperate and there is another surge of cases and deaths in weeks afterward, trump is DOA in the election. That's one item of advice he's likely to pay attention to

 

[magnifier661]

I guess you missed the 8 governors today who essentially said they would be making those decision based upon the situations in their own states. The 3 west coast governors released a joint statement affirming cooperation on future action. Even Mike Dewine, R, was on tv tonight talking about it. He tried to be really deferential to the mad king, but he basically said the buck stops with governors, not in the white house throne room

Congress can't pass a bill deleting parts of the constitution because trump is fantasizing about imaginary power

besides all that, if trump tries to open up the economy on May 1st while several states are refusing to cooperate and there is another surge of cases and deaths in weeks afterward, trump is DOA in the election. That's one item of advice he's likely to pay attention to

Sure they can. Look up the National Emergency Act of 1975-76. A lot of civil liberty violations in there.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/94th-congress/house-bill/3884

 

[wizenheimer]

a question I've been thinking of, and maybe it transcends the rancorous and often stupid partisan divide, is this: if all these experts knew about the dangers and infectious rate of Covid at the end of January, as all the reporting indicates....did anybody on the federal level talk to the governor or Louisiana and the mayor of New Orleans and recommend cancelling Mardi Gras?

 

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[magnifier661]

a question I've been thinking of, and maybe it transcends the rancorous and often stupid partisan divide, is this: if all these experts knew about the dangers and infectious rate of Covid at the end of January, as all the reporting indicates....did anybody on the federal level talk to the governor or Louisiana and the mayor of New Orleans and recommend cancelling Mardi Gras?

Not sure. Also remember that the House Intelligence Committee were also briefed.

 

[MARIS61]

 

[MARIS61]

 

[wizenheimer]

Sure they can. Look up the National Emergency Act of 1975-76. A lot of civil liberty violations in there.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/94th-congress/house-bill/3884

please point out the language in there that says that the President can override the 10th amendment & cancel orders of governors in states that have declared their own emergencies. I don't see it.

*** Why it matters: It's not totally clear under what authority Trump is talking about, as the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution gives states the "police powers" to regulate behavior during a public health crisis.

• Asked who told him that the president has this authority, Trump responded: "We are going to write up papers on this. It's not going to be necessary because the governors need us one way or the other. Because ultimately it comes with the federal government."

https://www.axios.com/trump-coronav...=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

 

[magnifier661]

please point out the language in there that says that the President can override the 10th amendment & cancel orders of governors in states that have declared their own emergencies. I don't see it.

" Why it matters: It's not totally clear under what authority Trump is talking about, as the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution gives states the "police powers" to regulate behavior during a public health crisis.

• Asked who told him that the president has this authority, Trump responded: "We are going to write up papers on this. It's not going to be necessary because the governors need us one way or the other. Because ultimately it comes with the federal government."

https://www.axios.com/trump-coronav...=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

I can’t give that information without ordering the text from the library. The summary does show absolute authority over some civil liberties.

 

[barfo]

• Asked who told him that the president has this authority, Trump responded: "We are going to write up papers on this. It's not going to be necessary because the governors need us one way or the other. Because ultimately it comes with the federal government."

In other words, "Nice state you got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it."

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

Looks like this is a description of this power

https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...-reports/guide-emergency-powers-and-their-use

 

[Strenuus]

I can’t give that information without ordering the text from the library. The summary does show absolute authority over some civil liberties.

Ironic that for people who claim they want all the freedoms, they are okay defending one's hope to be a dictator and thus living in a dictatorship.

How do you not see the obvious?

 

[wizenheimer]

Looks like this is a description of this power

https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...-reports/guide-emergency-powers-and-their-use

is there any clause in that power that overrides the 10th amendment?

 

[magnifier661]

is there any clause in that power that overrides the 10th amendment?

Looks like there are some powers there, but congress or the Supreme Court can override it. Gotta study it more. I’m too tired to do full blown research.

 

[magnifier661]

Ironic that for people who claim they want all the freedoms, they are okay defending one's hope to be a dictator and thus living in a dictatorship.

How do you not see the obvious?

The Emergency act is temp power. It’s not permanent. I think it’s 2 years max, with a 6 month oversight with congress.

 

[Road Ratt]

 

[Road Ratt]

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...coronavirus-pandemic-intl-04-14-20/index.html

Japan reports 311 new coronavirus patients: Live updates

 

[stampedehero]

A dictator, and a wannabe dictator.

*Source: <MSN- Asked what provisions of the Constitution gave him the power to override the states if they wanted to remain closed, he said, “Numerous provisions,” without naming any. “When somebody’s the president of the United States, the authority is total.”

 

[yankeesince59]

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Well, this ain't good;

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronav...0200413-z4okj4gx35ddveqs4lqaoturyy-story.html

More than 100 South Koreans who recovered test positive for coronavirus again

At least 116 people in South Korea who were previously cleared of coronavirus have tested positive again, increasing fears of a second wave of infections in the country.

Overall, South Korea reported only 25 new cases of coronavirus on Monday. The country has reported 10,537 cases and 217 deaths.

Experts said it didn’t necessarily mean that people had been reinfected and it is possible that faulty tests cleared the people originally, or the virus could stay in people’s systems longer than previously thought.

“I think what is very, very unlikely is that these people are being reinfected by other people,” Curtin University professor of infectious disease epidemiology Archie Clements told Al Jazeera. “There’s plenty of evidence to suggest that there is quite a strong immune response to infection with coronavirus, and that should protect people from infection for a period of time. What’s not currently known is for how long.”

South Korea has been praised for its response to the coronavirus outbreak, including widespread testing. While experts have encouraged the country’s officials to keep certain restrictions in place, others have called for South Korea to loosen various public health guidelines.

“We need a very cautious approach because any premature easing of social distancing could bring irreversible consequences, and have to ponder deeply about when and how we switch to the new system,” Prime Minister Chung Sye-kyun said.

 

[Lanny]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean much. The Byzantine Empire was easy on approving drugs.

My only point was correcting the record.

 

[Lanny]

I love the color orange. He’s like the Big Orange Boogyman! Be scared... Orange Man Bad!

I'm a Beaver, so I love the color orange.
Orange on a man's face seems a bit much, though.

 

[crandc]

Trump cannot order businesses to reopen. It's called free enterprise, remember? How we were told how great it is? He also can't force people to go places.

He said the federal government was backup, states had to control their response. He said they weren't shipping clerks. Federal stockpile belongs to Jared, not states. Now he says he can dictate internal matters to every state and territory because ... he's divinely chosen?

I call bullshit.

 

[magnifier661]

Over 2 million cases and 100k deaths of Covid-19 estimated in China.

https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uplo...-the-True-Number-of-Chinas-COVID-19-Cases.pdf

 

[magnifier661]

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Well, this ain't good;

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronav...0200413-z4okj4gx35ddveqs4lqaoturyy-story.html

More than 100 South Koreans who recovered test positive for coronavirus again

At least 116 people in South Korea who were previously cleared of coronavirus have tested positive again, increasing fears of a second wave of infections in the country.

Overall, South Korea reported only 25 new cases of coronavirus on Monday. The country has reported 10,537 cases and 217 deaths.

Experts said it didn’t necessarily mean that people had been reinfected and it is possible that faulty tests cleared the people originally, or the virus could stay in people’s systems longer than previously thought.

“I think what is very, very unlikely is that these people are being reinfected by other people,” Curtin University professor of infectious disease epidemiology Archie Clements told Al Jazeera. “There’s plenty of evidence to suggest that there is quite a strong immune response to infection with coronavirus, and that should protect people from infection for a period of time. What’s not currently known is for how long.”

South Korea has been praised for its response to the coronavirus outbreak, including widespread testing. While experts have encouraged the country’s officials to keep certain restrictions in place, others have called for South Korea to loosen various public health guidelines.

“We need a very cautious approach because any premature easing of social distancing could bring irreversible consequences, and have to ponder deeply about when and how we switch to the new system,” Prime Minister Chung Sye-kyun said.

“Experts said it didn’t necessarily mean that people had been reinfected and it is possible that faulty tests cleared the people originally, or the virus could stay in people’s systems longer than previously thought.”

I believe Dr. Fauci said the same thing during one of the pressers.

 

[magnifier661]

Trump cannot order businesses to reopen. It's called free enterprise, remember? How we were told how great it is? He also can't force people to go places.

He said the federal government was backup, states had to control their response. He said they weren't shipping clerks. Federal stockpile belongs to Jared, not states. Now he says he can dictate internal matters to every state and territory because ... he's divinely chosen?

I call bullshit.

The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States (Article VI, Clause 2), establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the "supremeLaw of the Land", and thus take priority overany conflicting state laws.

Not necessarily agree with this, but this could be one angle.

 

[yankeesince59]

“Experts said it didn’t necessarily mean that people had been reinfected and it is possible that faulty tests cleared the people originally, or the virus could stay in people’s systems longer than previously thought.”

I believe Dr. Fauci said the same thing during one of the pressers.

Exactly...it's the uncertainty one way or the other that's concerning.

 

[CupWizier]

“Experts said it didn’t necessarily mean that people had been reinfected and it is possible that faulty tests cleared the people originally, or the virus could stay in people’s systems longer than previously thought.”

I believe Dr. Fauci said the same thing during one of the pressers.

Summary:

We really don't have an answer.

 

[Mediocre Man]

“Experts said it didn’t necessarily mean that people had been reinfected and it is possible that faulty tests cleared the people originally, or the virus could stay in people’s systems longer than previously thought.”

I believe Dr. Fauci said the same thing during one of the pressers.

Do we trust the good Dr?

His track record isn't fantastic, thus far

 

[CupWizier]

The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States (Article VI, Clause 2), establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the "supremeLaw of the Land", and thus take priority overany conflicting state laws.

Not necessarily agree with this, but this could be one angle.

I have heard several constitution experts say that trump doesn't have the authority to force states.