OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

[Orion Bailey]

Summary:

We really don't have an answer.

no one has an answer.


But its trumps fault!

 

[magnifier661]

Summary:

We really don't have an answer.

Yep. But it goes against what epidemiologist have learned on the function of viruses. I think that’s why they are scratching their heads.

 

[magnifier661]

Do we trust the good Dr?

His track record isn't fantastic, thus far

Touché

 

[magnifier661]

I have heard several constitution experts say that trump doesn't have the authority to force states.

As it should. As a die hard federalist, I believe the governor should have the power to govern their states. This was the same reason why I told people the President can’t force states to call a stay home order. Remember the media pressed the president to force those states to shut down? Now they are mad when Trump says he has the power to force them to open.

 

[CupWizier]

As it should. As a die hard federalist, I believe the governor should have the power to govern their states. This was the same reason why I told people the President can’t force states to call a stay home order. Remember the media pressed the president to force those states to shut down? Now they are mad when Trump says he has the power to force them to open.

Here we go again with some deflection. Who cares what the media say as they have no say in this situation, but you might want to contact your president and let him know he is full of shit and doesn't control the states like he thinks. He wants to be a dictator.

 

[magnifier661]

Here we go again with some deflection. Who cares what the media say as they have no say in this situation, but you might want to contact your president and let him know he is full of shit and doesn't control the states like he thinks. He wants to be a dictator.

Yes, who cares what the media says. We are in agreement that they don’t know what the fuck they are talking about. 100% agree.

 

[e_blazer]

My only point was correcting the record.

I get that. I was just making a joke about your date typo, Lanny.

 

[CupWizier]

Yes, who cares what the media says. We are in agreement that they don’t know what the fuck they are talking about. 100% agree.

That's not what I said. There are many people in the media that know what they are talking about. One just has to know how to filter the good with the bad. I would trust much of the media over trump. We know he flat out lies.

 

[magnifier661]

That's not what I said. There are many people in the media that know what they are talking about. One just has to know how to filter the good with the bad. I would trust much of the media over trump. We know he flat out lies.

Oh okay, so we trust the media now? So the President does have the power to force States to call a Stay home order?

now we are in disagreement... Don’t tease me like this Cup!

 

[CupWizier]

Oh okay, so we trust the media now? So the President does have the power to force States to call a Stay home order?

now we are in disagreement... Don’t tease me like this Cup!

No tease buddy, I suggest you just read a bit closer going forward. You keep trying to put words in my posts that I haven't said. Like I said, I would trust much of the media over what trump says. I just know how to filter the good from the bad.

 

[magnifier661]

No tease buddy, I suggest you just read a bit closer going forward. You keep trying to put words in my posts that I haven't said. Like I said, I would trust much of the media over what trump says. I just know how to filter the good from the bad.

I read it closely. First, we agreed that the President doesn’t have the right to force a governor to make policy for that governor’s state.

Then you said that we shouldn’t believe the media when they pressed the President to force the governors to call a stay home order. Then you said the press is right saying the President doesn’t have the right to force governors to open their states.

This bipolar relationship we have is unhealthy.

 

[CupWizier]

I read it closely. First, we agreed that the President doesn’t have the right to force a governor to make policy for that governor’s state.

Then you said that we shouldn’t believe the media when they pressed the President to force the governors to call a stay home order. Then you said the press is right saying the President doesn’t have the right to force governors to open their states.

This bipolar relationship we have is unhealthy.

I never said we shouldn't believe the media. Please show me where you read that.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I read it closely. First, we agreed that the President doesn’t have the right to force a governor to make policy for that governor’s state.

Then you said that we shouldn’t believe the media when they pressed the President to force the governors to call a stay home order. Then you said the press is right saying the President doesn’t have the right to force governors to open their states.

This bipolar relationship we have is unhealthy.

You are a good man. Ive dealt with this for so long..

Time for my break from this place. You will take up the battle in a far more productive way than I...

 

[MickZagger]

Sure they can. Look up the National Emergency Act of 1975-76. A lot of civil liberty violations in there.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/94th-congress/house-bill/3884

Why are we looking for loopholes to circumvent the constitution?

 

[magnifier661]

You are a good man. Ive dealt with this for so long..

Time for my break from this place. You will take up the battle in a far more productive way than I...

Nah, don’t leave brother. I just got here. Just always remember that none of us have the control over other people’s opinions. Once you are at peace with that, discussions are less emotional. In fact, they are kinda fun!

 

[magnifier661]

Why are we looking for loopholes to circumvent the constitution?

I sure hope not. We should all be outraged, regardless of what side of the fence your on.

have you looked at this bill? Are you okay that this bill gives unprecedented powers to the federal branch? I’m not.

 

[MickZagger]

Do we trust the good Dr?

His track record isn't fantastic, thus far

No. We listen to Trump and Navarro

 

[CupWizier]

You are a good man. Ive dealt with this for so long..

Time for my break from this place. You will take up the battle in a far more productive way than I...

 

[Mediocre Man]

No. We listen to Trump and Navarro

Why the fuck would you do that?

 

[wizenheimer]

I find it amusing...not in the way that some might expect though...

I'm looking at the people that liked that post, and the guy who posted it, and laughing at their unintended irony

those people having been working overtime for weeks trying to give the idiot in the white house any possible credit out there for any possible good news in this pandemic....you know, credit for leadership even though just about all the evidence cuts the other way

on the other hand, Kate Brown is governor of a state that is doing extremely well compared to other states in terms of testing, cases, and deaths. But they claim she is useless and doing a bad job.

in other words, Oregon is doing exponentially better than the US, but Brown is bad and trump is good....laughable logic that ignores facts, but that's the way it is in the age of trump

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/oregon

 

[magnifier661]

I find it amusing...not in the way that some might expect though...

I'm looking at the people that liked that post, and the guy who posted it, and laughing at their unintended irony

those people having been working overtime for weeks trying to give the idiot in the white house any possible credit out there for any possible good news in this pandemic....you know, credit for leadership even though just about all the evidence cuts the other way

on the other hand, Kate Brown is governor of a state that is doing extremely well compared to other states in terms of testing, cases, and deaths. But they claim she is useless and doing a bad job.

in other words, Oregon is doing exponentially better than the US, but Brown is bad and trump is good....laughable logic that ignores facts, but that's the way it is in the age of trump

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/oregon

Looked at the IHME site. Doesn’t report the tests per million. Do you have that number?

 

[magnifier661]

Perspective. The US was ahead of Europe on mitigation, declaring a national Emergency and Shutting down travel. Here’s the timeline.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/the-...k":{"url":"fb:\/\/\/","app_name":"Facebook"}}

we can start the: “Why didn’t Europe act?” Posts now.

 

[illmatic99]

This newly formed MAGA circle jerk on this forum is driving me away. When people can't even get a glimpse of reality while praising their Dear Leader, it's pointless to even post anymore.

Are people really this deluded? WTF is wrong with all of you? 24000 Americans have died yet you will keep defending this orange asshole til the end. What more does he need to do for you to realize the truth? If this vocal group here is any indication of what's to come in November, I am so worried.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

theintercept.com

Trump PR Stunt Falls Flat, as White House Video Exposes His Failure to Prepare for Pandemic

Donald Trump grinned broadly on Monday as he tricked the news networks into broadcasting a taxpayer-funded testimonial to his own leadership, in the form of a video highlight reel of presidential statements on the coronavirus crisis, set to stirring music, unveiled during the president’s 29th daily briefing on the pandemic.

The video, which was riddled with errors and deceptively edited, was apparently intended to rebut a damning report on the front page of Sunday’s New York Times that detailed how slow Trump had been to take the threat posed by the virus seriously. While Trump was obviously pleased by the production — he pointed to the screen with a look of smug triumph at several points — he seemed unaware as it was unspooling in the White House briefing room that it contained a fatal flaw that helped reinforce the central argument of The Times report.

The compilation of clips, selected by the White House social media director, Dan Scavino, attempted to create an alternative history of the first months of the crisis, according to which the American media initially “minimized the risk,” but the president “took decisive action” nonetheless, only to be unfairly maligned by his political opponents, before the nation’s governors came together to sing his praises.

The centerpiece of the video was a timeline of actions by Trump and his administration, highlighting the partial ban on travel from China he ordered on Jan. 31, and his declaration of a national emergency on March 13.



A screenshot of a White House video timeline of the coronavirus crisis.

Photo: White House

But, as the CBS News correspondent Paula Reid pointed out to Trump after the video ended, there was a huge gap in the timeline: it mentioned absolutely no action by him in February and there was, as The Times had noted, a period of “six long weeks” after the travel restrictions until he “finally took aggressive action to confront the danger the nation was facing.”

In fact, the only entry on the video timeline for February — the month Trump held mass campaign rallies and described criticism of his handling of the virus from Democrats as “their new hoax” — was Feb. 6: “CDC Ships First Testing Kits.” The fact that those test kits were defective, a massive failure at a critical moment, seems like an odd thing to brag about.

Well into March, Trump was downplaying the new coronavirus as no more threatening than the flu.

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 9, 2020
​

Having seemed so pleased with himself while the video was playing, Trump looked stunned by Reid’s observation that its timeline showed the period of inaction The Times had described. “The argument is that you bought yourself some time,” by imposing the partial travel ban from China, Reid noted. “You didn’t use it to prepare hospitals, you didn’t use it to ramp up testing.”

As Trump interrupted to denounce her as “so disgraceful,” the correspondent pressed on to ask what, exactly, Americans were supposed to take away from his gauzy video tribute to himself? “Right now nearly 20 million people are unemployed. Tens of thousands of Americans are dead. How is this sizzle reel or this rant supposed to make people feel confident in an unprecedented crisis?”

Trump had no response but to shift back to praising himself for restricting travel from China in January. “But what did you do with the time that you bought?” Reid asked. “The month of February… the video has a gap.”

After the briefing, Eric Lipton, one of the authors of the investigation that so enraged Trump, observed on Twitter that nothing in the video or the president’s comments “undermines even a single fact in the stories we published over the weekend.”

“The truth remains that the nation’s top health advisers concluded as of Feb. 14 that the U.S. needed to use targeted containment efforts to slow the virus spread,” Lipton added. “Trump then waited until March 16 to announce his support for these measures.”

Read Our Complete CoverageThe Coronavirus Crisis

The inadvertently revealing timeline was not the only flaw with the propaganda video produced by Scavino, Trump’s former caddie.

It began with a sequence lifted directly from the March 26 edition of Sean Hannity’s Fox News show: a series of clips of medical experts for ABC, NBC and CBS wrongly predicting in January that Americans would not be badly hit by the virus. Those clips seemed to be included as an effort to embarrass reporters from those networks, but their statements at the time were almost identical to the comments from Dr. Robert Redfield, the CDC director, who said at a coronavirus task force briefing on Jan. 31: “I want to emphasize that this is a serious health situation in China, but I want to emphasize that the risk to the American public currently is low.”

That opening montage also includes a misleadingly edited clip of Hannity asking Dr. Anthony Fauci in January if American experts might go to China if the coronavirus outbreak there was worse than expected. In March Hannity tried to claim that this was proof that he had “warned” of a pandemic. In fact, before that clip was edited it showed that Hannity had just been asking Fauci about sending American experts to China to “help them out to try to contain this” there. Like Trump, Hannity had spent all of February comparing Covid-19 to the seasonal flu, and by the end of March he too was backpedalling furiously.

Another bizarre aspect of that sequence is that it ends with Dr. David Agus, a CBS News medical correspondent, stating that “coronavirus is not going to cause a major issue in the United States.” Agus is now a major proponent of the experimental use of the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid-19 and has reportedly spoken directly with Trump about the possible benefits of the treatment that the president has become fixated on.

The third section of the video — about Trump’s supposedly unfair treatment by political opponents — takes audio of the Times correspondent Maggie Haberman out of context to distort its meaning. Haberman was one of six reporters who wrote the article that angered Trump. In an interview with “The Daily” in March, Haberman did call Trump’s order to slow travel from China “a pretty aggressive measure against the spread of the virus,” but the White House edit omitted what she said immediately after that. “The problem is, it was one of the last things that he did for several weeks.”

“He did not do anything after that in terms of alerting the public, or telling people to be safe, or telling people to take precautions,” Haberman added, according to a transcript of the original interview. “And it basically squandered several weeks within the U.S.”

That same sequence included two false annotations in on-screen text of other statements by Haberman about Trump’s partial ban of travel from China. When she said, “He was accused of xenophobia,” an image of Joe Biden appeared, over the date March 12. Biden, however, was not referring to Trump’s travel ban in a speech he gave on that date; he was criticizing Trump’s nativist reference the day before, when he had shut off travel from most of Europe, to what the president called the “foreign virus.”

“Downplaying it, being overly dismissive or spreading misinformation is only going to hurt us and further advantage the spread of the disease, but neither should we panic or fall back on xenophobia,” Biden said. “Labeling Covid-19 a foreign virus does not displace accountability for the misjudgments that have been taken thus far by the Trump administration.”

The fact that Trump subsequently made a point of calling the new coronavirus “the Chinese Virus,” inciting hatred of Asians and Asian-Americans even in his own White House, makes his claim to have been falsely accused of xenophobia all the more absurd.

Moments later in the video, as Haberman said, “He was accused of making a racist move,” an image of Nancy Pelosi appeared, over a citation to The Hill from Jan. 31. However, as the report in The Hill makes clear, Pelosi had, in fact, been referring to another travel ban issued by Trump that day — “adding Myanmar, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, Nigeria, Tanzania and Sudan to the travel ban that the President instituted three years ago” — when she denounced him for imposing “such biased and bigoted restrictions.”

The news conference on Monday, which brought the president’s time in the briefing room in past month to more than 40 hours, was yet another example of Trump hijacking for his own ends what was previously a news conference dedicated to conveying vital information about a public health emergency. The president, however, seems to regard the free time on television each day as primarily an opportunity for self-promotion.

That was made clear at one stage when Trump told reporters that, after watching the video, “most importantly, we’re going to get back on to the reason we’re here: which is, the success we’re having.”

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/14...house-video-exposes-failure-prepare-pandemic/

 

[magnifier661]

Ah yes, try and shame those that with opposing views to fall in line. How dare you disagree with our moral echo chamber. :eyeroll:

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This newly formed MAGA circle jerk on this forum is driving me away. When people can't even get a glimpse the reality while praising their Dear Leader, it's pointless to even post anymore.

Are people really this deluded? WTF is wrong with all of you? 24000 Americans have died yet you will keep defending this orange asshole til the end. What more does he need to do for you to realize the truth? If this vocal group here is any indication of what's to come in November, I am so worried.

It's just Mags, while pro Trump he has also been respectful of views that are different than his.

I wish you wouldn't go, you bring factual and interesting information to this virus discussion and what you're doing in real life during this has been fascinating to follow.

 

[illmatic99]

It's just Mags, while pro Trump he has also been respectful of views that are different than his.

I wish you wouldn't go, you bring factual and interesting information to this virus discussion and what you're doing in real life during this has been fascinating to follow.

24000 people have died, 20 million people have lost their jobs, including people in this very forum. Yet we sit here watching people defend this shit this guy does. I mean, a fucking propaganda video to start off his press conference with such obvious holes? A guy who disrespects every facet of the media that don't suck up to him? A guy who claims he has totalitarian power? How is this any better than North Korea?

What conservative GOP mainstay believes in this? This is beyond party politics. It's fanatical idolization of a nasty human being who has no morals or conscience.

 

[julius]

This newly formed MAGA circle jerk on this forum is driving me away. When people can't even get a glimpse of reality while praising their Dear Leader, it's pointless to even post anymore.

Are people really this deluded? WTF is wrong with all of you? 24000 Americans have died yet you will keep defending this orange asshole til the end. What more does he need to do for you to realize the truth? If this vocal group here is any indication of what's to come in November, I am so worried.

He should have used a private email server or deleted some emails.

 

[magnifier661]

Sensationalism doesn’t trump actual facts. Call the balls and strikes. Orange Man Bad arguments won’t win elections. Sorry...

 

[wizenheimer]

Looked at the IHME site. Doesn’t report the tests per million. Do you have that number?

I don't have that number and I'm not sure where to find it

I'm thinking a better gauge might be the rate of testing vs positive results; tests/positives, because that would point toward further pressing need of testing:

Oregon - 19.65
Idaho - 10.4
Washington - 9.0
California - 8.5
Nevada - 8.6

those are states that border Oregon

Utah - 19.4
Arizona - 11.7
New Mexico - 24.5
Montana - 23.1
Michigan - 3.2
Florida - 9.5
New York - 2.45

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2020/coronavirus-testing-by-state-chart-of-new-cases/

obviously, states with small populations are going to generally have higher rates of testing. And states with high rates of infections will tend to have a lower ratio