Exact opposite. And Ill dig up quotes if I have to. I remember specifically commenting that Id rather have the bill checked out in full and libs and socialists here screaming that people need money now, just send it out. Whats the delay????
fuck that noise....
did you think you were advancing any discussion by labeling people you don't agree with as "
libs and socialists". It's horseshit. Would you react objectively if I labeled people like you fascists? Endorsing the comments of like-minded people by implying others are ignorant or less-informed or just flat dumber isn't honest discussion. Believing you're one of the few adults in the room while diving deep into many of the infantile food fights here is pure contradiction. There's no reason for that kind of condescension; and I want to make it clear I can be guilty of those kinds of sins myself sometimes. When I commit them, it's fair I'm called for it and put in a penalty box....just as long as the box has been disinfected after the last occupant
I guess that's the big problem with all us keyboard warriors. I'm fairly confident if a lot of these discussions were taking place in person, the temperature would not be anywhere close to as high as it is. In fact, once a lot of us recognized where the other was coming from, some subjects would just be avoided in the interest of comity. Recognition that there would be no profit in going those directions because none of us are persuasive enough to change minds. And that way too many fists would be the last punctuation of way too many arguments. But apparently there's no cost to cyber fist-fights, other than a degradation of discussion
sorry for singling you out OB, that's probably not fair. Your "
libs and socialists" comment triggered me a little. What's funny is that I am a liberal and I don't think it's a bad word. I just understand that it can be used as a pejorative, as you definitely used it there, and it's irritating. Mainly it's irritating because I've arrived at my POV in a valid manner. I would say I have spent 50 years as an adult, but I'm not sure most men ever spend a day as an adult. I know why wife doesn't think so. Neither do my 2 ex-wives or my daughter. Most of the 'debate' around here sure doesn't seem adult, whether it's about trump or about CJ's passing ability or about Stotts and his defense
what I'm trying to get at is that we likely have arrived at this point in our lives legitimately, and that maybe a little more respect should be granted, and a lot less condescension & dismissal. And again, that goes for myself, although I can assure you, when I am an asshole, I'm a thoughtful one
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another thing...."socialism". It's everywhere and all of us believe in it. Socialism is not having to build your own highway when you drive to Costco. And when you get to Costco, socialism was part of the reason every single item was sitting on the shelves....or not sitting in the case of toilet paper. Socialism is in the light going on when you flip the switch. Socialism is in the flu shot you get and will be in the Covid vaccine you hopefully get in a year or so.
there is no bright fine line between the public sector and the private sector. It's an extremely broad border filled with shades of grey. If you believe in roads and bridges and electricity and fire departments...you're a socialist
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sorry for the rant....so getting back to the original argument: I can't speak for anybody else, but I know what I was arguing about the stimulus. I'm not going to look up timelines, but IIRC, the first relief package the House passed came one day after trump declared a national emergency. This opened the way for the House to pass emergency legislation. They did so in less than 24 hours and the bill was narrow, targeted, and contained no noticeable partisan bullshit.
That should have been the template for the stimulus bill(s) and that's what I was arguing for. Both sides were paying major lip service to unemployment relief. Then for fuck sake, pass an emergency unemployment bill without attaching anything else. And they could have done the same for small business relief. The House set a template with the first relief bill. But the senate immediately turned the stimulus into a SOB albatross, larding all kinds of fucking fat onto the edges and into the core. Everybody knows what was happening. That's why it took them nearly 2 weeks to pass the bill and that was after at least two abortive attempts by McConnell to ram thru even worse bills than the stinking corpse of an albatross they finally passed.
The House passed that bill and got it to trump's desk in less than 24 hours. So yes, fuck the D's and the House for not doing due diligence; and fuck the R's and the senate for the corrupt bullshit they passed; and fuck them all for the toxic situation they have created over the last few decades that led to this; and fuck all of us for allowing this to happen by making out our differences to be so much more important than out agreements...
...and, fuck the Lakers
