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yankeesince59 said:
That seems very myopic IMO...by most accounts a vaccine won't be available for perhaps a year and considering the iffy effectiveness of similar flu vaccines we has no idea of the effectiveness %.
And when you couple that with how fast the disease has spread thus far, the numbers of infected could be quite staggering by the time any vaccine may or may not be available..
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Imagine what the flu numbers would be if we didn't have flu vaccines. The mortality ate would be much much higher.
 
A sign in a Portland restaurant bathroom.

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We also have to contend with economic effects. Manufacturing had already been in downturn; it's consumer spending keeping economy moving.
I mentioned performances in San Francisco cancelled. Just looking at ripples from that. The ballet will still pay dancers but ushers, cleaners, parking lot attendants won't be paid. If there are multiple cancelled shows, next season SF Ballet might have fewer dancers or fewer dance scholarships due to losses. Maybe half attendees also go to lunch or dinner, maybe shop. They ride public transit, or take cabs, or pay parking. Buy souvenirs at gift shop. None of that is happening. Multiply by every cancelled event, including huge ones, in every impacted city.
 
With administration focused on Trump happy talk and calling Corona virus a hoax, I suppose I should not be surprised to see survey that Democratic voters are twice as likely to wash their hands frequently as Republican voters.

We didn't use to have Democratic viruses and Republican viruses, but during H1-N1 epidemic Limbaugh announced he would not get vaccinated because President Obama had said to do so, and Trump called it a hoax. (His working vocabulary is about 10 words he recycles for every situation.)
 
crandc said:
With administration focused on Trump happy talk and calling Corona virus a hoax, I suppose I should not be surprised to see survey that Democratic voters are twice as likely to wash their hands frequently as Republican voters.

We didn't use to have Democratic viruses and Republican viruses, but during H1-N1 epidemic Limbaugh announced he would not get vaccinated because President Obama had said to do so, and Trump called it a hoax. (His working vocabulary is about 10 words he recycles for every situation.)
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I'm a Republican voter (not a Trump voter) and I wash my hands constantly.

You are right that a disease like this is getting caught up in politics. WASH YOUR FUCKING HANDS, PEOPLE. Be kind and courteous to one another
 
crandc said:
With administration focused on Trump happy talk and calling Corona virus a hoax, I suppose I should not be surprised to see survey that Democratic voters are twice as likely to wash their hands frequently as Republican voters.

We didn't use to have Democratic viruses and Republican viruses, but during H1-N1 epidemic Limbaugh announced he would not get vaccinated because President Obama had said to do so, and Trump called it a hoax. (His working vocabulary is about 10 words he recycles for every situation.)
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What are you getting at here? Or are you just venting? There are plenty of threads for you to complain about Trump and use your political views to be divisive. This isn’t really a good thread for that. It serves no purpose other than to muck up a discussion that could otherwise be constructive.
 
jonnyboy said:
What are you getting at here? Or are you just venting? There are plenty of threads for you to complain about Trump and use your political views to be divisive. This isn’t really a good thread for that. It serves no purpose other than to muck up a discussion that could otherwise be constructive.
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You don't think the President's response to the virus is relevant to a thread about the virus? I'd disagree.

To me, this is akin to people who, after a gun death tragedy, say "This is not the time to talk about gun control policies, let's not politicize this." That's exactly the time to talk about the measures that might prevent such tragedies in the future. And talking about a Presidential administration's response to Covid-19, including how deficient it is if that's your take, is very on-point right now. If you happen to think Trump is doing a great job regarding Covid-19, this is also the time to say that and various posters have done that, too.
 
Minstrel said:
You don't think the President's response to the virus is relevant to a thread about the virus? I'd disagree.

To me, this is akin to people who, after a gun death tragedy, say "This is not the time to talk about gun control policies, let's not politicize this." That's exactly the time to talk about the measures that might prevent such tragedies in the future. And talking about a Presidential administration's response to Covid-19, including how deficient it is if that's your take, is very on-point right now. If you happen to think Trump is doing a great job regarding Covid-19, this is also the time to say that and various posters have done that, too.
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I hear you, but I hate politicizing and taking advantage of peoples deaths whether its a tornado, gun violence, or an airborne illness just so we can hop on our political agenda’s and claim everyone who opposes us wants people to die or “demonize” them.
So I guess, yeah its fine to talk about it and these type of instances create a good oppurtunity to have the conversation, but essentially this is what happens. Oh Trump said something dumb, anyone who voted for him or supports him must agree with all his dumbness and is also dumb, or hey you must not wash your hands! Thats not genuine conversation on how to better handle the situation, IMO.
I respect you and enjoy our conversations, but if I came at you like you support this guy you must be a nazi sympathizer who wants to genocide people, and you love rape, oh and you’re also dirty and dont wash your hands, do you really think a fruitful conversation starts that way?
And hey it’s totally fair if you arent looking for a conversation, you dont care about anyone else’s opinion and have made up your mind, I get it, but thats just venting, Im talking about if someone is actually looking for a conversation thats going to go somewhere.

Edit: Ill fully admit that Im not perfect here, I.come on strong on topics that I shouldnt, the right pulls the same thing with Bernie and Biden, etc and people they disagree with.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I hear you, but I hate politicizing and taking advantage of peoples deaths whether its a tornado, gun violence, or an airborne illness just so we can hop on our political agenda’s and claim everyone who opposes us wants people to die or “demonize” them.
So I guess, yeah its fine to talk about it and these type of instances create a good oppurtunity to have the conversation, but essentially this is what happens. Oh Trump said something dumb, anyone who voted for him or supports him must agree with all his dumbness and is also dumb, or hey you must not wash your hands! Thats not genuine conversation on how to better handle the situation, IMO.
I respect you and enjoy our conversations, but if I came at you like you support this guy you must be a nazi sympathizer who wants to genocide people, and you love rape, oh and you’re also dirty and dont wash your hands, do you really think a fruitful conversation starts that way?
And hey it’s totally fair if you arent looking for a conversation, you dont care about anyone else’s opinion and have made up your mind, I get it, but thats just venting, Im talking about if someone is actually looking for a conversation thats going to go somewhere.
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Sure, I agree that dialogue should be as civil and respectful as possible. I just don't agree with the notion that "politics" is some impure thing that needs to be kept out of "important things" like people suffering and/or dying. Politics is how we manage things at the government level and has a huge effect on a lot of these things. So, sure, there's no need to use a disaster to needle people about what terrible people they are, but believing and stating that current gun control policies would help prevent these gun tragedies or that the current administration is making things worse during a viral outbreak is perfectly fair and reasonable discussion, regardless of which side of the issues you come down on.
 
Minstrel said:
Sure, I agree that dialogue should be as civil and respectful as possible. I just don't agree with the notion that "politics" is some impure thing that needs to be kept out of "important things" like people suffering and/or dying. Politics is how we manage things at the government level and has a huge effect on a lot of these things. So, sure, there's no need to use a disaster to needle people about what terrible people they are, but believing and stating that current gun control policies would help prevent these gun tragedies or that the current administration is making things worse during a viral outbreak is perfectly fair and reasonable discussion, regardless of which side of the issues you come down on.
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Fair enough, it really bothers me when people “act” excited when stuff goes down so they can get on their horse and Im not accusing any of that here I dont know peoples thoughts and emotions, but there are times I “wonder” about it.
 
jonnyboy said:
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If you go back in this thread, that is now 3 months old, you'll see about a month ago I had problems how possible coronavirus patients were being triaged. It was until just last week, patients presenting flu like symptoms who had been to China or knew someone who had been to China were being put in isolation and then tested. This is why we're seeing so many cases of unknown origins now.
 
Italy's death toll rises by 133 to 366 in one DAY - and number of infected hits 7,375: PM puts 16 MILLION citizens in the north on lockdown and threatens them with a fine or three months JAIL if they leave the quarantine zones
  • Italy has the highest number of cases outside China, the epicentre of the killer bug, overtaking South Korea
  • Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte signed a decree that will continue until April 3 limiting movement in the North
  • Affects about 16 million people in regions including : Lombardy, Modena, Parma, Piacenza and Reggio Emilia
  • There are no roadblocks in place and trains, buses and airports are still running meaning people can get about
  • Anyone who flouts the quarantine rules could face three months in prison or a fine of up to £178
  • Bars and restaurants will remain open but must ensure that everyone is seated at least three feet apart
  • Foreign Office said British tourists 'are free to return home or complete their holiday' under Italian guidelines
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8088093/Quarter-Italys-population-quarantined.html
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Italy's death toll rises by 133 to 366 in one DAY - and number of infected hits 7,375: PM puts 16 MILLION citizens in the north on lockdown and threatens them with a fine or three months JAIL if they leave the quarantine zones
  • Italy has the highest number of cases outside China, the epicentre of the killer bug, overtaking South Korea
  • Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte signed a decree that will continue until April 3 limiting movement in the North
  • Affects about 16 million people in regions including : Lombardy, Modena, Parma, Piacenza and Reggio Emilia
  • There are no roadblocks in place and trains, buses and airports are still running meaning people can get about
  • Anyone who flouts the quarantine rules could face three months in prison or a fine of up to £178
  • Bars and restaurants will remain open but must ensure that everyone is seated at least three feet apart
  • Foreign Office said British tourists 'are free to return home or complete their holiday' under Italian guidelines
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8088093/Quarter-Italys-population-quarantined.html
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The death toll in Italy from coronavirus has risen by 133 to 366 as the country imposed a lockdown affecting 16 million people in a desperate bid to combat the spread of killer bug.

The number of confirmed cases in the country increased by 1,492 to 7,375.

In one day.
 
CDC is blasted as it's revealed officials have tested just 1,583 people for coronavirus and are only now shipping kits to test another 75,000 patients
  • The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has tested 1,583 people for the coronavirus since the first cases were identified in the US in January
  • That figure will increase as more tests are shipped nationwide to address demand, says Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn
  • In the meantime, the CDC also has shipped enough kits to public health labs to test 75,000 patients
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...avirus-shipped-kits-test-75-000-patients.html
 
You know whats annoying me like crazy is Im noticing I touch my face a lot or what feels like a lot. I regularly use sanitizer and wash my hands, but everyone saying dont touch your face and Im like dang it my face wants me to touch it!!!!
 
Now Trump says he's not concerned about coronavirus exposure. Didn't he cancel a meeting at the CDC A couple days ago because he was afraid someone might have the coronavirus?
 
BigGameDamian said:
Now Trump says he's not concerned about coronavirus exposure. Didn't he cancel a meeting at the CDC A couple days ago because he was afraid someone might have the coronavirus?
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He's worried about it for himself, he's not worried about it for anyone else.
 
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