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lawai'a said:
https://news.usc.edu/170565/covid-19-antibody-study-coronavirus-infections-los-angeles-county/
Coronavirus infections more widespread than expected in L.A. County
A newly published, USC-led study has confirmed that, though many more L.A. County residents had COVID-19 antibodies than previously thought, most people have not been infected.
The researchers estimate that approximately 4.65% of the county’s adult population has contracted the new coronavirus.As with all statistical estimates, there is a range of uncertainty or margin of error. The analysis suggests that the fraction of adults in Los Angeles who contracted the novel coronavirus could range from as low as 2.5% to just over 7%. The results verify preliminary results that had been released last month.Sood pointed out two important caveats: One, the results may have been skewed by an overrepresentation of people who experienced COVID-like symptoms in the past, potentially driving the number of positive tests up. Second, Sood emphasized that there’s not one infection rate for the state or for the entire country. Infection rates vary by geography, income, race, ethnicity and neighborhood.
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I probably know 10 people who think they had it late fall early winter. I know many of the positive's had mild cases and were not hospitalized.
 
unfortunately, you need a percentage closer to 60% for herd immunity to begin to control the virus. even at the high end estimate of 7%, i suggest we have a very long way to go before the virus becomes of any smaller concern in opening up the country. imho, schools are still the key factor, especially considering the little petri dishes that kids are with any infectious virus or bacteria.
remember back if you can and honestly tell me that young adults and teens are going to maintain social distancing between the sexes as one example. there needs to be a bigger and bolder plan in place before opening can happen for working parents and the safety of the most vulnerable. to me, an important metric of a government is its protections of its most marginalized and vulnerable.
Hoopguru said:
I probably know 10 people who think they had it late fall early winter. I know many of the positive's had mild cases and were not hospitalized.
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CupWizier said:
enough of what? Yes, I have had enough of his daily rants of attacking posters in a page long rant. This is far from the first time he has done this.
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I am tired of your attacking posters too rather than attempting conversation. This last argument started because you put words in his mouth. He never said anything about eradicating the virus. He even clarified, but you kept at it.

Do I have to create a thread for you on how to have a conversation? Do I need to ask you and OB and Yank to go there and practice? So tired of this shit. If you are going to argue with people, make sure you are as arguing what they actually said, and keep it aimed at their post and not at them. That goes for everyone that has been having these ridiculous grade school skirmishes.

So tired of people making assumptions here and it becoming 4 pages of ridiculous arguing that lasts days. We are all adults here, intelligent ones too when we want to be, from what I have seen. Be adults. It is time to eradicate this childish bullshit.
 
If it were up to me, I'd create a pool of people who were not allowed to talk to each other and if they did, they'd be banned. ;) It's not up to me, though.

Such a waste of time all these posts and not just from one person.
 
Minstrel said:
If it were up to me, I'd create a pool of people who were not allowed to talk to each other and if they did, they'd be banned. ;) It's not up to me, though.

Such a waste of time all these posts and not just from one person.
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I agree it's not just from one person and I am tired of it. People need to start acting like adults here. It clutters threads and makes them unreadable. Mods have to spend way too much time sorting this shit out.
 
Chris Craig said:
I am tired of your attacking posters too rather than attempting conversation. This last argument started because you put words in his mouth. He never said anything about eradicating the virus. He even clarified, but you kept at it.

Do I have to create a thread for you on how to have a conversation? Do I need to ask you and OB and Yank to go there and practice? So tired of this shit. If you are going to argue with people, make sure you are as arguing what they actually said, and keep it aimed at their post and not at them. That goes for everyone that has been having these ridiculous grade school skirmishes.

So tired of people making assumptions here and it becoming 4 pages of ridiculous arguing that lasts days. We are all adults here, intelligent ones too when we want to be, from what I have seen. Be adults. It is time to eradicate this childish bullshit.
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Then fucking ban me. I'm tired of being called out and this ahole always ranting about me or someone else. I made a post at around 6am and then you come in and chastise me around 3 hours later when I had alreradsy moved on. I did not put words in his mouth as the first post I rtersponded to was bailey talking about the virus being eradicated. He used the word and I only responded that it has not been eradicated and then he goes all bailey on the forum and yet, no chastising him for his page long rants complaining about posters. Since when is constantly complaining about posts, posters etc been the acceptable method of posting? Fuck it. Just ban me. I really don't care.
 
CupWizier said:
Then fucking ban me. I'm tired of being called out and this ahole always ranting about me or someone else. I made a post at around 6am and then you come in and chastise me around 3 hours later when I had alreradsy moved on. I did not put words in his mouth as the first post I rtersponded to was bailey talking about the virus being eradicated. He used the word and I only responded that it has not been eradicated and then he goes all bailey on the forum and yet, no chastising him for his page long rants complaining about posters. Since when is constantly complaining about posts, posters etc been the acceptable method of posting? Fuck it. Just ban me. I really don't care.
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Show me the post preceding yours calling him out for using eradication. He used the word after you did in clarifying. The only person who used it before you was @tester551. His page long rant followed you putting words in his mouth. Just tracing it back to the beginning.
 
lawai'a said:
unfortunately, you need a percentage closer to 60% for herd immunity to begin to control the virus. even at the high end estimate of 7%, i suggest we have a very long way to go before the virus becomes of any smaller concern in opening up the country. imho, schools are still the key factor, especially considering the little petri dishes that kids are with any infectious virus or bacteria.
remember back if you can and honestly tell me that young adults and teens are going to maintain social distancing between the sexes as one example. there needs to be a bigger and bolder plan in place before opening can happen for working parents and the safety of the most vulnerable. to me, an important metric of a government is its protections of its most marginalized and vulnerable.
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Im with ya....but consider how many adults are now in the workplace, some quarantine for 14 days as they get sick and go back as they didn't get all that sick. Or many actually were sick before this all started and toughed it out then went back to work. Then couple those groups with adults either working or running around with mask on that are A systematic. Thats a great amount of people collectively, regardless which town you are in but you are probably right the percentage may be low still. Now area's are semi opening up, so the same groups numbers will increase, but if the sickness is one that people recover well from, for the demographic, that doesn't end up in the hospital or deemed extreme high risk, maybe we can better control and address, till there is a vaccine. And if you eventually open up schools with big changes, and ease into it, and resources are focused there, and if this demographic's numbers seems manageable, kids will get sick but they recover well from it, statistically, wouldnt that be progress. The key is keeping the at risk group protected as are culture tries to phase in using precautions and statistics to lead the way. We can always drop back.
I believe there are many negative health risk with people if they are just held without getting out and about. They have some alarming stats with this as well.
 
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CupWizier said:
Then fucking ban me. I'm tired of being called out and this ahole always ranting about me or someone else. I made a post at around 6am and then you come in and chastise me around 3 hours later when I had alreradsy moved on. I did not put words in his mouth as the first post I rtersponded to was bailey talking about the virus being eradicated. He used the word and I only responded that it has not been eradicated and then he goes all bailey on the forum and yet, no chastising him for his page long rants complaining about posters. Since when is constantly complaining about posts, posters etc been the acceptable method of posting? Fuck it. Just ban me. I really don't care.
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Cup, please cool it.
 
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Chris Craig said:
Show me the post preceding yours calling him out for using eradication. He used the word after you did in clarifying. The only person who used it before you was @tester551. His page long rant followed you putting words in his mouth. Just tracing it back to the beginning.
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I honestly don't give a shit chris as you have seen what bailey has been doing. Is it appropriate to always call out posters in the forum? I did go back and look and yes, it was tester who mentioned eradicate first and for that I will take blame as it's easy to get posters confused on who says what in a thread, but there was nothing that was said to allow bailey to go into meltdown mode and do one of his rants., but that was no excuse for complaining about me and others and nothing to do with the thread and then he complains about the thread going off topic. Go figure. He has made numerous posts with subliminal rants without naming names. and he is one of the most thin skinned people I have come across and loves to play the victim and blame everyone else.

Just ban me and get it over if you mods are going to continue to allow him to make his complaining posts which accomplish nothing but muck up threads.
 
CupWizier said:
I honestly don't give a shit chris as you have seen what bailey has been doing. Is it appropriate to always call out posters in the forum? I did go back and look and yes, it was tester who mentioned eradicate first and for that I will take blame as it's easy to get posters confused on who says what in a thread, but there was nothing that was said to allow bailey to go into meltdown mode and do one of his rants., but that was no excuse for complaining about me and others and nothing to do with the thread and then he complains about the thread going off topic. Go figure. He has made numerous posts with subliminal rants without naming names. and he is one of the most thin skinned people I have come across and loves to play the victim and blame everyone else.

Just ban me and get it over if you mods are going to continue to allow him to make his complaining posts which accomplish nothing but muck up threads.
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Thank you for admitting your mistake. Let this be a lesson that we all need to be more careful to pay attention to what people are saying. I don't like to call people out publicly, but here is the transparency everyone has asked for.

@Orion Bailey should chill it with his rants just like you should chill it with focusing so much on posters rather than posts/content. Everyone probably has something they could chill on. I have done a bit of chilling myself.

If you had attempted to have a conversation there would have been no rant. OB tried several times to clarify. Next time have the conversation. It makes things easier.
 
CupWizier said:
I honestly don't give a shit chris as you have seen what bailey has been doing. Is it appropriate to always call out posters in the forum? I did go back and look and yes, it was tester who mentioned eradicate first and for that I will take blame as it's easy to get posters confused on who says what in a thread, but there was nothing that was said to allow bailey to go into meltdown mode and do one of his rants., but that was no excuse for complaining about me and others and nothing to do with the thread and then he complains about the thread going off topic. Go figure. He has made numerous posts with subliminal rants without naming names. and he is one of the most thin skinned people I have come across and loves to play the victim and blame everyone else.

Just ban me and get it over if you mods are going to continue to allow him to make his complaining posts which accomplish nothing but muck up threads.
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I don't think any of you understand that complaining about the other guy's posts (or just the other guy) is what leads to these long, long exchanges that muck things up. I don't think you need to be banned, I just wish you (and others) would stop engaging with people you clearly dislike talking to. It's possible to have productive discussions here, but some of you can't have them with each other and maybe you all need to recognize that.
 
Chris Craig said:
I agree it's not just from one person and I am tired of it. People need to start acting like adults here. It clutters threads and makes them unreadable. Mods have to spend way too much time sorting this shit out.
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Over my many years Ive know people who will argue anything, good people and friends of mine. The sky could be cloudless and blue and they will take exception with hit someway. Or they could have just won a poker hand and they would argue that to a degree. My good bud had his girl friend with him at my house playing poker and after about an hour she turned to him and said, "why is it you have to argue with everyone about everything" it shocked hell out him..I laughed my ass off the rest of the night and when we go fishing Ill remind hm of that just to give him a bad time, and he he'll start arguing..
 
Hoopguru said:
Over my many years Ive know people who will argue anything, good people and friends of mine. The sky could be cloudless and blue and they will take exception with hit someway. Or they could have just won a poker hand and they would argue that to a degree. My good bud had his girl friend with him at my house playing poker and after about an hour she turned to him and said, "why is it you have to argue with everyone about everything" it shocked hell out him..I laughed my ass off the rest of the night and when we go fishing Ill remind hm of that just to give him a bad time, and he he'll start arguing..
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I get it. I love to argue. I've tried to tone it down though. I have found conversation leads to better results. And, oh I'll argue still, can't help myself sometimes, but trying to be more aware.
 
Chris Craig said:
I get it. I love to argue. I've tried to tone it down though. I have found conversation leads to better results. And, oh I'll argue still, can't help myself sometimes, but trying to be more aware.
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Arguments can be helpful. It should be constructive though. I think that is the piece that has been missing, especially in this thread. Discord and then discussion. Just stay on topic.
 
Trump's going to the Ford plant today and they want him to wear a mask but he doesn't know if he's going to though.
 
Road Ratt said:
Trump and his lack of humanity. He can't even show one ounce of give a crap about Americans as they contract, and possibly die of, Covid-19.

So, if contracting the virus is a "Badge of honor", dying from the virus must be "The door prize"...
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CupWizier said:
I don't believe the stay at home order was to eradicate the virus, but instead slow it down so as not to overwhelm our medical facilities and allow time to come up with a game changer.
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Hoopguru said:
Over my many years Ive know people who will argue anything, good people and friends of mine. The sky could be cloudless and blue and they will take exception with hit someway. Or they could have just won a poker hand and they would argue that to a degree. My good bud had his girl friend with him at my house playing poker and after about an hour she turned to him and said, "why is it you have to argue with everyone about everything" it shocked hell out him..I laughed my ass off the rest of the night and when we go fishing Ill remind hm of that just to give him a bad time, and he he'll start arguing..
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yeah, but is the girlfriend still around....?
 
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