OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (1 Viewer)

[crandc]

The difference, @Lanny , is you were ashamed of your bad behavior. You didn't boast about it on line.

I do hope you apologized to her.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Bro....... you honestly just typed this? You REALLY think that he didn't know, in this day in age, what he was saying. I don't know you personally, but one would hope you are just joking around. You can't be serious.

Actually........I get the point that @jonnyboy is trying to make (I think). People who are in trenched in their own privilege don’t just “wake up” overnight (Some never do). The idiot councilor made a joke that way too many people (Even well meaning liberals looking for a laugh) would have made even a year ago (whether they want to admit it or not). The councilor may be a racist moron.....or he may have made a flip remark that was ill considered. Yes, his motive could have been racial....or “conservative”....or whatever. I think a better approach would have been for the media to have made a serious attempt to question him on his intent/motivation before ascribing their own version(s) to the incident (Or maybe they did and I missed it). It would have far more impact if they had put him on the spot and forced him to explain himself. Instead, they took it and ran with it, shading it with their own biases and contexts. The media needs to make a much stronger (and honest) attempt to hold these people accountable for their words and actions instead of the constantly going for the “gotcha”. I think what the guy did was wrong but then again, we need right wing politicians shooting themselves in the foot. It just validates the sea change this country is undergoing right now.

 

[Hoopguru]

My 73 year old wife walks between 2 and 4 miles every day, usually around 5:00 AM. We have a high school football field right across the street so she walks around the track. 1/4 miler per cycle.

Edit:
ps
She wears her mask and plastic gloves although she seldom encounters anyone else there. She does this early enough so she can fix me breakfast before the ambulance arrives to take me to the hospital at 6 AM.

I envy her because I can't walk ten feet on very level ground without assistance, usually a wheel chair.

Tuesday she went very early to Sesame Donuts and bought two dozen donuts for me to take to dialysis with instructions to thank them for coming to work and saving the lives of their patients, most importantly, me.

Yep, she's a keeper.

You are a lucky man Lanny...!

 

[Hoopguru]

Actually........I get the point that @jonnyboy is trying to make (I think). People who are in trenched in their own privilege don’t just “wake up” overnight (Some never do). The idiot councilor made a joke that way too many people (Even well meaning liberals looking for a laugh) would have made even a year ago (whether they want to admit it or not). The councilor may be a racist moron.....or he may have made a flip remark that was ill considered. Yes, his motive could have been racial....or “conservative”....or whatever. I think a better approach would have been for the media to have made a serious attempt to question him on his intent/motivation before ascribing their own version(s) to the incident (Or maybe they did and I missed it). It would have far more impact if they had put him on the spot and forced him to explain himself. Instead, they took it and ran with it, shading it with their own biases and contexts. The media needs to make a much stronger (and honest) attempt to hold these people accountable for their words and actions instead of the constantly going for the “gotcha”. I think what the guy did was wrong but then again, we need right wing politicians shooting themselves in the foot. It just validates the sea change this country is undergoing right now.

Agree, it's more of a gotcha, win at any cost, rather than exposing the ugliness for a better impact.. The rubber stamp industry must be flourishing.
Think about how the little people in the elementary school, and how they are being exposed to branding people just because, then are left hanging without any real explanations or coaching through the moment.

 

[tlongII]

if that's the case, then there should be no articles stating how some hospitals are reaching max capacity again right?

https://abc13.com/covid-19-coronavirus-ewn-hospitals/6260615/

here's one from beginning of the month

https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-ic...percent-state-records-single-day-high-1510594

We also have states having record number of cases again and this is in the middle of summer with the hotter weather that was suppose to help slow and/or stop the virus. You seem to want to believe trump rather than your lying eyes. Poor choice if that's the case.

From your own link...

"Last week, I had the opportunity to speak with hospital CEOs from across the entire state of Texas, including all of the large urban areas, to get a more in depth feel for their ability to maintain availability for anybody who tests positive for COVID-19, and I was assured and reassured consistently by all the CEOs from all regions in the entire state of Texas. They had the capability and the flexibility to ensure that anybody who tests positive with COVID-19 would have a bed available," said Gov. Abbott.

 

[wizenheimer]

https://policylab.chop.edu/blog/cov...-bell-epicenters-waving-caution-flag-hotspots

yeah, I still remember the good old days when warm summer weather was going to make Covid-19 vanish "like magic"

 

[wizenheimer]

"When looking at patients who had survived a critical encounter with COVID-19, a team of British researchers found that almost two-thirds suffered strokes, and just over a quarter were left with damage resulting in dementia. This lede was brought to you as a reminder that the death rate from COVID-19 is far from the whole story. From limb amputations to heart attacks to permanent brain damage, the blood clots caused by infections with the SARS-CoV-2 virus aren’t just occasionally devastating—they are often devastating.

Over the last four months as the pandemic has spread around the planet, doctors have gained experience with COVID-19 patients. They’ve learned that ventilated patients have better outcomes when moved to different positions rather than being left on their backs. They’ve learned remdesivir can improve the odds for patients before they’re at the most critical phase, and that common anti-inflammatory steroids can help those who might otherwise have no hope. Experience and familiarity is genuinely improving the odds of patients who are hospitalized with severe or critical cases of COVID-19. Even so, and despite a real increase in the extent of testing, the rate of mortality in the United States remains above 5% and, as the British study shows, those deaths are just a small part of the swath of destruction that this disease is carving. Which makes far more frightening the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) estimate that the actual number of cases is 10 times what the tests have so far revealed.

One other factor that has reduced the death rate over the span of the pandemic in the United States has been that the median age of COVID-19 patients has continuously skewed younger. A disease that had its first significant U.S. outbreak among the elderly at a Washington nursing home has become one where those over 65 are the least likely to be infected. That’s almost certainly because older people are continuing to follow social distancing rules and being careful in their interactions while many younger people seem to have completely discounted the potential harm of the virus. It seems that no matter how many news stories run at this point about teenagers dying, people in their 20s losing a limb, or young people left with lasting lung or heart problems, the idea that this is an “old person’s disease” has been so baked in that it can’t be dislodged.

The decision made by many states to reopen in early May was so clearly wrong that experts everywhere warned of the outcome—not the potential outcome, the certain outcome—of rolling back social distancing rules at a point when the nation had over a million confirmed, active cases. Somehow, both citizens and state officials seemed to be convinced that they could handle a disease that had by that point broadly disseminated through the population of every state in large numbers better than one that had been entering into most areas only in dribs and drabs.

For example, when Arizona’s Republican governor, Doug Ducey, issued a stay-at-home order on March 30, it came following the first day in which Arizona had more than 200 cases. Deaths in the state to that point totaled 20. But Arizona rescinded that order at a point when the case count was at 500 and deaths had passed 600. More importantly, they reopened at a point where there were 10,000 known active cases in the state, and over 10% of all tests were turning up positive. The same state government that had declared itself incapable of handling a relatively small outbreak in March declared itself ready to take on a many times greater challenge six weeks later. That story was repeated again and again across the nation.

In Arizona’s case, the result is already tragic and getting worse. As The Washington Post reports, the state has “lost control of the epidemic” with testing stations overwhelmed, hospitals on the brink, and a response that’s nothing short of pure chaos. Unwilling to demonstrate leadership, Gov. Ducey has left it up to city and county officials to take action. That’s made for a patchwork of shifting rules that are consistent only in their lack of enforcement. It’s also meant that Maricopa County alone is recording 2,000 new cases a day. On the state level, Arizona is breaking its one-day records on an almost daily basis, while also setting records for the use of hospital beds and ventilators. The kind of triage employed in Italy and New York city in the very worst days of March and April appears to be coming soon to Phoenix and other Arizona cities.

The lack of federal leadership left the burden of handling this crisis on states. The lack of state leadership has put the burden of meeting this moment on towns and counties woefully unprepared for the task. The levels of government with the most resources and options are consistently passing the responsibility for handling this catastrophe on to levels of government where both funding and authority are weakest. Addressing COVID-19 is not an issue that can be handled by local school boards and volunteer food banks. That it’s being treated that way is both ridiculous and tragic."

(that last paragraph is the perfect description of trumpian Republican leadership...pass the buck and hide behind the desk)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ter-it-s-a-catastrophic-failure-of-leadership

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Anyone watching Pence's press conference?

He's thanked Trump multiple times and is now telling us to pray.

 

[julius]

Anyone watching Pence's press conference?

He's thanked Trump multiple times and is now telling us to pray.

It works with mass shootings, so why not?

 

[CupWizier]

From your own link...

"Last week, I had the opportunity to speak with hospital CEOs from across the entire state of Texas, including all of the large urban areas, to get a more in depth feel for their ability to maintain availability for anybody who tests positive for COVID-19, and I was assured and reassured consistently by all the CEOs from all regions in the entire state of Texas. They had the capability and the flexibility to ensure that anybody who tests positive with COVID-19 would have a bed available," said Gov. Abbott.

Are you serious? We are experiencing some major spikes and heading in a backwards trajectory. This is FAR from over no matter what the idiot trump says.

WAKE UP!

 

[wizenheimer]

well, this should be interesting...after a 2 month vacation, the white house will hold a Covid press briefing:

"Houston, we have a problem—both literally and figuratively speaking. New coronavirus infection rates are spiking around the country at alarming rates even as Donald Trump and his lackey Vice President Mike Pence tell everyone the water's warm—c'mon in.

And in an admission that the country is in dire straits, the White House announced the coronavirus task force would hold its first in-person coronavirus task force briefing Friday for the first time in roughly two months.

Pence, who has been flitting about sprinkling fairy dust everywhere, is expected to be there. Trump, who has declared the virus dead to him, isn't scheduled to show up, but who knows? The idea of leaving Pence to drink in the spotlight might be too big a draw for Trump.

But whatever fairytale Trump and Pence have been trying to sell America, the coronavirus isn't buying it. In Texas, pro-reopening Gov. Greg Abbott reversed course Friday and ordered all bars to be shut down along with imposing greater restrictions on dining. Florida just recorded a single-day high in new cases Thursday of 8,942, an eye-popping spike from its previous high of 5,511 cases reported the day before. In short, certain regions of country are in deep, deep trouble as the coronavirus rips through the country at an alarming rate. As The New York Times declared in its top headline Thursday, the virus has "won."

For whatever reason, the White House did not immediately confirm whether infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci or task force coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx would be in attendance. Gee, maybe bullshit like that is why the coronavirus is kicking America in the teeth. But don’t worry, Trump and Pence will be there to gaslight us on the other side."

I predict the bullshit tsunami will crash thru the room

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ask-force-re-ups-briefing-on-Friday#read-more

 

[BigGameDamian]

Anyone watching Pence's press conference?

He's thanked Trump multiple times and is now telling us to pray.

 

[crandc]

Study by Media Matters showed Fox prime time spent three times as much air time lamenting confederate statues as they did on Corona virus.

 

[andalusian]

Study by Media Matters showed Fox prime time spent three times as much air time lamenting confederate statues as they did on Corona virus.

The only thing they are good at is racism. They play to their strength.

 

[jonnyboy]

Bro....... you honestly just typed this? You REALLY think that he didn't know, in this day in age, what he was saying. I don't know you personally, but one would hope you are just joking around. You can't be serious.

You don’t think it’s possible he said that in reference to the mask he was wearing considering he was right in the middle of trying to pander to a bunch of anti-mask fucktards? He HAS to be poking fun at a man who was murdered? That’s the most logical explanation?

 

[jonnyboy]

LOL...c'mon man

that's like saying "it was sunny Monday so who could predict it would be raining by Thursday"

it's been obvious for 2 weeks where this national clusterfuck was heading

Yeah as long as you don’t blame it on mass gatherings of protesters though, right? Must have been people going to church. Fucking racists.

 

[tlongII]

Are you serious? We are experiencing some major spikes and heading in a backwards trajectory. This is FAR from over no matter what the idiot trump says.

WAKE UP!

I never said it was over. I said the hospitals are prepared. And they are.

 

[MickZagger]

Anyone watching Pence's press conference?

He's thanked Trump multiple times and is now telling us to pray.

That man has sold his soul to the devil.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[MickZagger]

Yeah as long as you don’t blame it on mass gatherings of protesters though, right? Must have been people going to church. Fucking racists.

yes. The mass protesting in Houston Texas

 

[noknobs]

I mean this is like the Twilight Zone. It takes a gigantic pair of balls to come out and say this right now. We just hit a record for most cases in a day for fucks sake.

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Vice President Mike Pence asserted Friday that “all 50 states and territories across this country are opening up safely and responsibly” even as cases surge in many states, and eight states across the country have paused their reopening efforts.

One state, Texas, has even scaled back their reopening plan, closing bars after they had been a part of the states reopening plan.

Pence said at the White House coronavirus task force briefing Friday that the country has “made truly remarkable progress in moving our nation forward” and that “we've all seen the encouraging news as we open up America again.”

His remarks come as 32 states across the country have seen an increase in cases over the past week, according to data from John Hopkins University.

Pence also discussed the return of jobs that came with reopening America, and said that some of the original coronavirus hotspots such as the New York metro area and New Orleans have made “extraordinary progress.”

He said the task force is focusing on 16 states that have been most impacted by coronavirus in recent weeks with both rising cases and rising positivity rates.

Pence also repeated the President's refrain that more testing has led to more cases, however the rise in new cases has outpaced the increase in coronavirus testing.

“To one extent or another, the volume of new cases coming in is a reflection of a great success in expanding testing across the country,” Pence said.

Pence said that while the US has made progress, the country “still has work to do.”

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I never said it was over. I said the hospitals are prepared. And they are.

You quoted the governor of Texas.

The hospitals themselves are struggling.

Just because you designate a room ICU doesn't mean the patient in it is receiving an ICU standard of care.

The amount of personnel required for an ICU patient is considerably higher.

That's why it's called Intensive Care.

Hospitals in Texas are putting out the call for additional medical personnel outside of the state.

They're having trouble finding that personnel.

Interviewing, background and license checks, and hiring takes time.

Also you're putting new employees in an overworked and overtaxed medical situation.

While sure, it's great that more hospital beds are being labeled ICU, there is no guarantee the patients are receiving the ICU level of care they desperately need.

 

[jonnyboy]

yes. The mass protesting in Houston Texas

There were protests in Houston smart guy.

 

[CupWizier]

I never said it was over. I said the hospitals are prepared. And they are.

Define prepared? trump said we were prepared before and look how that worked out. Listen to the doctors, listen to the scientists, don't listen to trump and this administration.

 

[Minstrel]

I never said it was over. I said the hospitals are prepared. And they are.

You said that the curve had been flattened and hospitals aren't being overtaxed, so it's time to open everything up. Meanwhile, things are becoming so critical in places like Texas and Florida that they're considering locking things down again.

 

[noknobs]

yes. The mass protesting in Houston Texas

Guess which city this was:

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Guess which city this was:

La Pine?

 

[Minstrel]

You don’t think it’s possible he said that in reference to the mask he was wearing considering he was right in the middle of trying to pander to a bunch of anti-mask fucktards? He HAS to be poking fun at a man who was murdered? That’s the most logical explanation?

"I can't breathe" has been a BLM motto ever since Eric Garner died in a police chokehold. It strains incredulity that it wasn't a direct reference to something that's been used so often by what that councilman almost surely sees as the opposite side.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

"I can't breathe" has been a BLM motto ever since Eric Garner died in a police chokehold. It strains incredulity that it wasn't a direct reference to something that's been used so often by what that councilman almost surely sees as the opposite side.

A lot of people are saying "I can't breathe" with these masks on. My coworker said it casually yesterday.

Obviously, they are using those words since BLM is too.

But who gives a shit about them using the phrase, its pointless to fight over. Many people have problems breathing wearing these face coverings and masks.

 

[noknobs]

La Pine?

Damnit, good guess.