OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (8 Viewers)

[Orion Bailey]

Yup. Guess it's time they put cameras in our homes and make sure we're wearing a mask while we grandstand on s2.

You are gonna get in trouble if you keep this up!

 

[wizenheimer]

 

[barfo]

Yup. Guess it's time they put cameras in our homes and make sure we're wearing a mask while we grandstand on s2.

If you say so.

What's your issue with masks, anyway? I mean, I understand, I have a similar issue with wearing pants. And people are very intolerant of my choice, too.

barfo

 

[riverman]

Yup. Guess it's time they put cameras in our homes and make sure we're wearing a mask while we grandstand on s2.

bulllshit...and here I thought you wanted meaningful conversations here

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

No. It's a problem that this social unrest happened during a pandemic.

I think the pandemic actually played a big part in the protests. Millions of unemployed people and people stuck at home. The "class" gap getting wider, many people looking at their situations feeling hopeless. It's why the protests and riots are way beyond just BLM and race issues, you have a bunch of groups out there pulling in different directions. The US wasn't prepared for anything that caused even the smallest tilt in the balances.

 

[Hoopguru]

If you say so.

What's your issue with masks, anyway? I mean, I understand, I have a similar issue with wearing pants. And people are very intolerant of my choice, too.

barfo

Wear a skirt!

 

[riverman]

I'm glad your temporary hiatus from S2 ended river....I know you were having some serious health issues; how are you doing right now?

and yeah, I agree....I can't believe how big a deal so many people are making out of the minor inconvenience of wearing a mask. Wear on, protect yourself, protect others

Thank you my friend....my heart is not good...I'm having cardio ablation...they are going to cauterize nerves in my heart chamber so my afib will stop reoccurring...basically put a ballon in the heart chamber....it's a 5 hour operation. if it works I'll be off some meds that I'm really tired of needing twice a day that make me feel like shit

 

[riverman]

So is Social Distancing bullshit if one wears a mask?

By your posts I'd say you've answered this for yourself....I don't think any precaution is bullshit this early in the pandemic

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

If you say so.

What's your issue with masks, anyway? I mean, I understand, I have a similar issue with wearing pants. And people are very intolerant of my choice, too.

barfo

I said I'd wear a mask in places it's required too, so I guess my issue is the same as everyone else's. I don't want to wear one, so I don't go to places where it's required to do so. The couple times I've been in places it's required I've worn one. So what's the real issue? I'm only saying for people who really, really don't want to wear one it's easy enough to just stay in private areas and super small groups. I don't need to go to grocery stores, or restaurants, or really any place that there are other people and I'm not going to wear one at home, and at work, my office is basically quarantined and sanitized 3 times a day. Never said people shouldn't wear masks in public either.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

No. It's a problem that this social unrest happened during a pandemic.

And we are all paying for it now.

 

[riverman]

Never said people shouldn't wear masks in public either.

no but you did say people who promote it are grandstanding....you do you...

 

[barfo]

I said I'd wear a mask in places it's required too, so I guess my issue is the same as everyone else's. I don't want to wear one, so I don't go to places where it's required to do so. The couple times I've been in places it's required I've worn one. So what's the real issue? I'm only saying for people who really, really don't want to wear one it's easy enough to just stay in private areas and super small groups. I don't need to go to grocery stores, or restaurants, or really any place that there are other people and I'm not going to wear one at home, and at work, my office is basically quarantined and sanitized 3 times a day. Never said people shouldn't wear masks in public either.

Not accusing you of being an outlaw. Just wondering why you 'really, really don't want to wear one'. That isn't actually true of everyone, some people don't mind wearing them, or find them only a minor inconvenience.

barfo

 

[Hoopguru]

I said I'd wear a mask in places it's required too, so I guess my issue is the same as everyone else's. I don't want to wear one, so I don't go to places where it's required to do so. The couple times I've been in places it's required I've worn one. So what's the real issue? I'm only saying for people who really, really don't want to wear one it's easy enough to just stay in private areas and super small groups. I don't need to go to grocery stores, or restaurants, or really any place that there are other people and I'm not going to wear one at home, and at work, my office is basically quarantined and sanitized 3 times a day. Never said people shouldn't wear masks in public either.

When the wife and I go camping we don't wear mask unless we go into town to the store. I was at a full state park last week, and saw maybe one person with a mask on walking along a pathway.,

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

By your posts I'd say you've answered this for yourself....I don't think any precaution is bullshit this early in the pandemic

Mayor of LA.

These protests were ENCOURAGED by democratic leaders.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

bulllshit...and here I thought you wanted meaningful conversations here

The thing is river. I never said people shouldn't wear masks in public did I? I never said I wouldn't wear a mask where it's required did I? No, you're on something about no tolerance for people who won't wear one, well I said explicitly that I WOULD WEAR one where it's required and if they changed the requirements I'd do it. I am simply saying that I don't want to wear one so I've avoided being in public and going out and that if people feel strongly about not wearing a mask they can make the choice to stay inside. How is that hard to understand? Isn't that precisely what YOU would want from people who say I don't want to wear a mask for them to stay inside ya know quarantining themselves for the most part? Instead, you're off talking like I'm saying we should all be out and about with no masks on when I'm not saying that all.

 

[riverman]

Mayor of LA.

These protests were ENCOURAGEDView attachment 32207 by democratic leaders.

America is under Republican leadership currently.....and if you have a problem with the BLM movement....you're on the wrong side of history and using a real public issue as a political talking point...very republican of you

 

[Orion Bailey]

If you say so.

What's your issue with masks, anyway? I mean, I understand, I have a similar issue with wearing pants. And people are very intolerant of my choice, too.

barfo

Id say one stance would be having an issue with the mask, because it may be prolonging the inevitable and maybe it would be best in the long run to just let it run its course and let the planet achieve herd immunity.

There is no evidence that wearing masks will stop the spread... just prolong it... as reopening evidence has shown closing things didnt do anything but prolong the spikes.

So wear a mask and a year from now we may get herd immunity, or dont wear masks and reach it in six months.

so I guess the X factor is whats worse?

Having over capacitated ICU wards for 6 months,

or having most small businesses fold causing poverty and poor health related deaths?


I wear mine in every store I enter, But I still see many people without. Unless its 100% it really doesn't matter anyhow right? So if we arnt going to get everyone to comply, all we are doing is postponing the inevitable.








Looks to me like closing things didn't do much in the deaths category. I would have thought there would be a decline in May as a result of social distancing and leveling of the positives?


I'm all about trying to plan for all outcomes, but at a point, if we stop life to plan for something that may not be accurate, we just wasted our lives......

 

[riverman]

The thing is river. I never said people shouldn't wear masks in public did I? I never said I wouldn't wear a mask where it's required did I? No, you're on something about no tolerance for people who won't wear one, well I said explicitly that I WOULD WEAR one where it's required and if they changed the requirements I'd do it. I am simply saying that I don't want to wear one so I've avoided being in public and going out and that if people feel strongly about not wearing a mask they can make the choice to stay inside. How is that hard to understand? Isn't that precisely what YOU would want from people who say I don't want to wear a mask for them to stay inside ya know quarantining themselves for the most part? Instead, you're off talking like I'm saying we should all be out and about with no masks on when I'm not saying that all.

I'm expressing my views...not comparing them to yours...you do you but I didn't say you were a S2 grandstander for those views and I think way too many americans are putting personal comfort before public safety....don't wear a mask.....I probably have less public encounter than anyone here....I live in the woods far from heavy population centers...I wore a mask everyday for 8 months in Taipei during the SARS outbreak and didn't question the rule ever....they've been wearing masks there for 17 years now....they also did an amazing job curbing this pandemic..we are not doing a good job here period

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

America is under Republican leadership currently.....and if you have a problem with the BLM movement....you're on the wrong side of history and using a real public issue as a political talking point...very republican of you

The major cities are controlled by dems

Most of the violent cities and those with large number of COVID are democrat run

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Not accusing you of being an outlaw. Just wondering why you 'really, really don't want to wear one'. That isn't actually true of everyone, some people don't mind wearing them, or find them only a minor inconvenience.

barfo

I find that it makes me really anxious and claustrophobic feeling. I'll still wear one when I'm in places that require it but I've just chosen to avoid putting myself in that situation. Which is really all I'm saying if people don't want to wear one they have options you know, like just not being in places they need to wear one. My wife wears one when she goes out, I've got no problem with people wearing masks or requirements to wear masks.

 

[wizenheimer]

Thank you my friend....my heart is not good...I'm having cardio ablation...they are going to cauterize nerves in my heart chamber so my afib will stop reoccurring...basically put a ballon in the heart chamber....it's a 5 hour operation. if it works I'll be off some meds that I'm really tired of needing twice a day that make me feel like shit

sorry to hear that, but I'm hoping your surgery goes well

and I can empathize on a minor level....a few years ago I developed PVC's (pre-mature ventricular contractions), which is an irregular heartbeat. Fortunately it is a non-life & health threatening condition. I gave up coffee and in two weeks the PVC's were gone. Essentially, the node of cells above the aorta is responsible for organizing the heartbeat. In PVC's, a node of cells over a ventricle is a little too large or active and sometimes, jumps the gun and causes a bollixed heartbeat by trying to pump out of turn. The perils of caffeine

the point I'm trying to make is when your heart is doing something 'wrong' you notice it...big time. It's a malfunction at your core that you can't help but focus on. And even though I had about the mildest form of heartbeat irregularity you can have, it was impossible to ignore it and focus on other things. I felt vulnerable to a degree, So, I can't imagine a severe form of heart problem not being terrible. Get well friend

 

[CupWizier]

Yup. Guess it's time they put cameras in our homes and make sure we're wearing a mask while we grandstand on s2.

Well, unless they find out the virus can be spread over the internet, then masks won't be necessary.

 

[Hoopguru]

Im Pro Choice when it come to wearing a mask.
Im Pro Life when it come to restarting sports with caution!

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'm expressing my views...not comparing them to yours...you do you but I didn't say you were a S2 grandstander for those views

So in other words...

You do you... but only some of you. Not all of you?

If "you do you" includes opinions and one's opinion is that the majority of S2 are grandstanders, and you are pointing that out, then the you do you, is moot, no?

Just asking, because it's like a, "what came first, the chicken or the egg", thing?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I'm expressing my views...not comparing them to yours...you do you but I didn't say you were a S2 grandstander for those views and I think way too many americans are putting personal comfort before public safety....don't wear a mask.....I probably have less public encounter than anyone here....I live in the woods far from heavy population centers...I wore a mask everyday for 8 months in Taipei during the SARS outbreak and didn't question the rule ever....they've been wearing masks there for 17 years now....they also did an amazing job curbing this pandemic..we are not doing a good job here period

But I'm saying I will wear a mask when I'm out around people, I am simply saying that I really don't want to wear a mask and so therefore I am simply doing everything I can to avoid being around people that much so I don't have to.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Well, unless they find out the virus can be spread over the internet, then masks won't be necessary.

 

[Orion Bailey]

But I'm saying I will wear a mask when I'm out around people, I am simply saying that I really don't want to wear a mask and so therefore I am simply doing everything I can to avoid being around people that much so I don't have to.

But your headline was... you dont want to wear a mask...

That's all I needed to read... you evil nazi!!!!!

 

[riverman]

The major cities are controlled by dems

Most of the violent cities and those with large number of COVID are democrat run

The major cities are controlled by the police....the country is controlled by Republicans and the poorest in the nation live in the largest cities with the most crime and poverty.....it's not rocket science but go ahead....blame it on some mayors....when are you relocating to Bumfuck Texas to be with a more supportive population?

 

[Minstrel]

And we are all paying for it now.

Sure are. Blame the Trump administration for killing off the police reform that the Obama administration had put in place. If that had continued reforming police departments, maybe this wouldn't have been a powder keg going off right now.

 

[wizenheimer]

The major cities are controlled by dems

you mean the major cities with large minority populations; cities that have been dealing with the seemingly intractable problems of racism & poverty for a century? LOL...yeah, why can't the current leadership of those cities solve problems that have been in the making since before the civil war and are completely welded to, and inseparable from the larger national issues