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Lanny said:
What's a gaiter mask?
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SlyPokerDog said:
sfchronicle.com

With coronavirus antibodies fading fast, vaccine hopes fade, too

Disturbing new revelations that permanent immunity to the coronavirus may not be possible have jeopardized vaccine development and reinforced a decision by scientists at UCSF and affiliated laboratories to focus exclusively on treatments.

Several recent studies conducted around the world indicate that the human body does not retain the antibodies that build up during infections, meaning there may be no lasting immunity to COVID-19 after people recover.

Strong antibodies are also crucial in the development of vaccines. So molecular biologists fear the only way left to control the disease may be to treat the symptoms after people are infected to prevent the most debilitating effects, including inflammation, blood clots and death.

“I just don’t see a vaccine coming anytime soon,” said Nevan Krogan, a molecular biologist and director of UCSF’s Quantitative Biosciences Institute, which works in partnership with 100 research laboratories. “People do have antibodies, but the antibodies are waning quickly.” And if antibodies diminish, “then there is a good chance the immunity from a vaccine would wane too.”

The latest bad news came from scientists at King’s College of London, whose study of 90 COVID-19 patients in the United Kingdom found antibody levels peaked three weeks after the onset of symptoms and then dramatically declined.

Potent antibodies were found in 60% of the patients, according to the study, but only 17% retained the same potency three months later. In some cases, the antibodies disappeared completely, said the study which was published as a preprint Saturday, meaning it has not yet been peer-reviewed.

The report is the latest in a growing chain of evidence that immunity to COVID-19 is short-lived.

A Chinese study published June 18 in the journal Nature Medicine also showed coronavirus antibodies taking a nosedive. The study of 74 patients, conducted by Chongqing Medical University, a branch of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, showed that more than 90% exhibited sharp declines in the number of antibodies within two to three months after infection.

There is still hope that the remaining antibodies will bestow some immunity, but infectious disease specialists around the world were surprised and discouraged by the rapid reduction observed in the studies. If the numbers continue dropping after three months, it could mean people will be susceptible to infection by the coronavirus year after year.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/...rus-antibodies-fading-fast-focus-15414533.php
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the data about limited immunity has been increasing as we get further into this pandemic. This article joins a long line of articles questioning if long term immunity to Covid is even possible

this article certainly doesn't generate any optimism. At the same time, I wonder if it really generates that much pessimism

now, it's entirely possible I'm talking out of my colon on this, but that article seems to place a potential Covid vaccine in the same category as flu shots. Antibodies from having the flu don't last long either; a matter of weeks IIRC. People can get the flu 2 or even 3 times in a bad flu season if they don't get the vaccine. The antibodies from a flu vaccine significantly increase the anti-body resistance time over that of a flu infection. But even then, a flu vaccine is only effective for a few months. My PC has told me it's best to wait till mid-November, or a little later, to get a flu shot otherwise I could be vulnerable in March. That's only about 4-5 months, at best. (he also told me that it takes around 2 weeks after the shot for the anti-bodies to be at the level where I have immunity...no immediate immunity)

anyway, that seems to dovetail with the last report about the vaccine the NIH had that was going into the 30,000 person clinical trial. That was a shot with a booster after 6 months. It might be that we could be getting a covid vaccine twice a year. Even one every 4 months would be better than getting Covid, over and over
 
Texas is doing a test run on erasing Covid cases, and reducing the positives, that you just know the white house is eager to copy:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-erases-covid-cases-and-fans-conspiracy-theory-flames?ref=home

the right-wing universe is already using this to say Covid is fake news. Just wait until the trump zealots at HHS get a chance to massage the numbers.

of course, what they really want is to somehow claim the mortality numbers are fake too. Funny thing is if they start removing antigen positives from the official count of positives, the mortality rate will increase
 
Propagandist said:
Why don't you participate in good faith discussions? I just don't understand why you'd spend so much time in here, if you are not going to be constructive.
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Because I'm an independent thinker, silly. There are many sides to many issues. Herd mentality doesn't always rule.
 
ABM said:
Because I'm an independent thinker, silly. There are many sides to many issues. Herd mentality doesn't always rule.
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No, I don't believe you are. Your herd is just a different herd.

There is a great value in discussion, but if one party is just throwing out quips and unreliable data, it makes it 1. demoralizing and 2. meaningless. I just think you can do better. You are intelligent and full of energy/enthusiasm, why not try to see where thoughtful posters are coming from?
 
Propagandist said:
No, I don't believe you are. Your herd is just a different herd.

There is a great value in discussion, but if one party is just throwing out quips and unreliable data, it makes it 1. demoralizing and 2. meaningless. I just think you can do better. You are intelligent and full of energy/enthusiasm, why not try to see where thoughtful posters are coming from?
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I have....and do. There are other lines of thought. But, guess what? Invariably, when I share tidbits here and there, they're generally discarded as fake news, drivel, tripe, foolishness, and the like. As this is libtown, I then tend to resort to facetiousness. It's all in the fun, though. I don't take things too seriously. :)
 
ABM said:
Because I'm an independent thinker, silly. There are many sides to many issues. Herd mentality doesn't always rule.
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So why do you blindly follow Trump? Why do you blindly support the government interfering with a woman’s right to choose? There are a lot of independent thinkers here, but you’re certainly not one of them. Just because you think differently than so many here does not exactly make you an “independent thinker”. The irony is that, despite your assertions you present as just another MAGA sheep, going with the flow. Your posts are like the little kid who runs into a room from no where, smacks someone at random and then runs outta the room. Some of us are always willing to have our minds changed when presented with facts, it’s just that you never seem to present any.....and then you play the victim card (Or worse, the flip comment card) when you’re called out. Just be honest and admit you don’t want your mind changed in general. at least that is intellectually honest......
 
ABM said:
I have....and do. There are other lines of thought. But, guess what? Invariably, when I share tidbits here and there, they're generally discarded as fake news, drivel, tripe, foolishness, and the like. As this is libtown, I then tend to resort to facetiousness. It's all in the fun, though. I don't take things too seriously. :)
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So don’t complain when we don’t take you seriously.....
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
So why do you blindly follow Trump? Why do you blindly support the government interfering with a woman’s right to choose?
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Because, the last time I checked, the baby isn't getting that same right by some. There is such a thing as standing in the gap for others.
 
ABM said:
What is your go-to source for what to believe? Nothing really seems to be conclusive (worldwide) these days. Oh, other than let's all wear a mask, regularly wash your hands/face, and stay away from each other.

Errrr.....wait.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/taraha...ht-increase-your-infection-risk/#50f93b38676c
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Do you read the articles you post? I swear this is like the 4th time you've posted an article that doesn't help your cause. And it's an article from February!

Note: The CDC now recommends everyone wear masks in public to reduce asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19. Since initial publication in February, new research has been published. For an update on the science of masks with respect to COVID-19, please see this article. For those using masks, this article answers questions about wearing, cleaning and maintenance.

Experts, including the CDC, continue to state that the evidence does not show that wearing a mask will protect the wearer, but everyone wearing masks should benefit the population overall. The headline has been changed since publication to reflect this understanding.
 
RR7 said:
Do you read the articles you post? I swear this is like the 4th time you've posted an article that doesn't help your cause. And it's an article from February!

Note: The CDC now recommends everyone wear masks in public to reduce asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19. Since initial publication in February, new research has been published. For an update on the science of masks with respect to COVID-19, please see this article. For those using masks, this article answers questions about wearing, cleaning and maintenance.

Experts, including the CDC, continue to state that the evidence does not show that wearing a mask will protect the wearer, but everyone wearing masks should benefit the population overall. The headline has been changed since publication to reflect this understanding.
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Relax, pal. I do know how to wear a mask. I just enjoy inciting your ire...and those of your ilk. If the whole world wears a mask, we'll have this thing beat in 48 days. Promise.

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