OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (1 Viewer)

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Strenuus]

So he's questioning Trump? Cause that's who is proclaiming it.

Is this guy that stupid?

 

[crandc]

But many countries with conservative leaders, like Germany and South Korea, have controlled the virus. It's only a handful with antiscience, selfish, me first fuck you, attitudes and in all (US, Russia, Brazil) it starts from the top.

 

[wizenheimer]

Here's why conservatives and liberals differ on COVID-19
New Lehigh University College of Business study looks at getting everyone to agree on the pandemic threat

Throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, political ideology has been perhaps the strongest predictor of consumers' perceptions of the coronavirus' threat. According to a new study from Lehigh University's College of Business, the differences between conservative and liberal responses to COVID-19 are mitigated when people perceive the virus itself to have agency -- the ability to control its own actions and thus exert power over people.

Conservatives are generally more sensitive to threats that are relatively high in agency, propose Daniel Zane, assistant professor of marketing in Lehigh University's College of Business, and co-author Luke Nowlan, assistant professor of marketing at KU Leuven, Belgium, in their study.

"In the context of the pandemic, you have these players -- the policymakers, the American public, media organizations, your neighbors - that, at least relative to the unobservable virus, have more agency," says Zane, "whereas this virus has less agency."

According to the paper, "Getting Conservatives and Liberals to Agree on the COVID-19 Threat," published in the Journal of the Association for Consumer Research in September, conservatives tend to see free will as the primary driver of outcomes in life, whereas liberals are more accepting of the idea that randomness plays a role. Compared to liberals, conservatives tend to attribute outcomes to purposeful actions. So in the context of the pandemic, they're more likely to blame any negative outcomes in their lives on these more agentic policymakers or fellow Americans rather than the virus itself.

"According to our study, conservatives might at least in part be less likely to wear masks because they don't feel as threatened by the virus itself," says Zane. "Any hardships that they're facing in their lives around health, financial issues, even going to movie theaters or shopping malls, might not necessarily trace back to the virus for them. So, they feel like they don't have to protect themselves from it."

To get greater buy-in about safety measures like wearing masks and economic shutdowns, Zane says that at the beginning of the pandemic, and even still now, instead of throwing around statistics, policymakers and health officials should have started talking about the virus in terms that gave it more agency.

"If they talked about the virus as having a motive, as being a palpable enemy that is seeking to attack humans," says Zane, "maybe you get greater buy-in from the start on the part of conservatives. We also show in our research that liberals are not driven away by doing this, so it seems like a good move."

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-11/lu-hwc111320.php

I'll think about it a little more but my initial reaction is it's a crock of shit

basically, they are saying since conservatives don't believe in science or facts, you have to construct back-door messaging in hopes that will sink thru their thick skulls and worm a way thru their selfish stupid bias

but none of it would have worked with trump doing and saying what he was. That right there is the problem. If trump would have come out in May and agreed with the WHO and CDC and NIH and experts that masks and social distancing were essential to controlling the virus, we wouldn't be in this situation. These people are sheeple

the problem isn't messaging, the problem is obstinate willful ignorance that celebrates itself

 

[wizenheimer]

and here's an example of the kind of people that 'study' is trying to message for. The R's in Minnesota legislature had a Covid outbreak, They warned all the other R's, but did not warn the D's:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/minnesota-gop-covid-state-senate_n_5fb0a3dcc5b6d05e86e79afb

sure seems these people are just fucking assholes that hate the other side. How are you going to message them out of being assholes? They are taking their queues from trump

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Trump hasn't attended a coronavirus task force meeting in five months and is taking no role in combatting the surge in the disease

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...task-force-meeting-in-5-months-report-2020-11

 

[tlongII]

But months ago I was led to believe that our hospitals have not been "over-run".

I’ve been hearing the hospitals are over-run since April. Obviously that wasn’t the case.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I’ve been hearing the hospitals are over-run since April. Obviously that wasn’t the case.

There have been many cases of hospitals being over-run. Many I have shared with you.

 

[riverman]

Hospitals are having a high turnover ratio of nurses and doctors....some to protect their families opt to put the career on hold until this passes.

 

[wizenheimer]

There have been many cases of hospitals being over-run. Many I have shared with you.

apparently if ALL hospitals aren't being over-run, there isn't a problem

 

[tlongII]

There have been many cases of hospitals being over-run. Many I have shared with you.

mmmhmm

 

[yankeesince59]

I’ve been hearing the hospitals are over-run since April. Obviously that wasn’t the case.

...sigh

 

[barfo]

There have been many cases of hospitals being over-run. Many I have shared with you.

You should have phrased it as hospitals being over-run with criminals seeking to steal tax dollars for socialized medicine.
That would be recognized as a real crisis.

barfo

 

[The Professional Fan]

 

[calvin natt]

I just wish Trump, Atlas, Don Jr and all their fans would spend ONE DAY in an ICU floor at an overrun hospital. Those pussies would pass out from what they witness. But nope, instead the sit at home and call it all fake. There aren’t even words to describe what I wish would happen to these fuckers.

 

[yankeesince59]

I just wish Trump, Atlas, Don Jr and all their fans would spend ONE DAY in an ICU floor at an overrun hospital. Those pussies would pass out from what they witness. But nope, instead the sit at home and call it all fake. There aren’t even words to describe what I wish would happen to these fuckers.

^^^This^^^...I have 3 family members who are/were working at different hospitals and they all say that the situation where they work is/was "controlled chaos"...one has flat out quit and another has taken an "indefinite leave of absence" and the 3rd one is now working only "part time" because so many elective procedures have been postponed because of covid patients taking up so many rooms/beds.

 

[julius]

So he's questioning Trump? Cause that's who is proclaiming it.

Is this guy that stupid?

Yes he is. If you watched that reality show he had on TV about a dozen years ago, you'd see he's just as much of a grifter as anyone else is.

The guy is a freaking moron. And I'm saying that not because he voted for Trump, but because he's a fucking tool.

 

[crandc]

Trump's Dr. Mengele, I mean Atlas, is telling people in Michigan to defy governor because freedom.

We must have the freedom to infect other people!!!!!!

 

[wizenheimer]

there is some more good news on the vaccine front as the Moderna vaccine trials have yielded a 94.5% effective rate (still real early). Of course, science by press release generates some 'healthy' skepticism. Still, that early results have yielded 90% effective rates in a new technology, the mRNA process, is hopeful. Better yet, unlike the Pfizer vaccine which has to be transported and stored in special deep freeze containers....that are not readily available....the Moderna vaccine can be stored safely for up to a month in standard refrigeration

what this all means is there could be 2 different vaccines ready for emergency use by the end of the year. And it increases the odds there could be a widely available vaccine by next summer

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now that that pesky good news is out of the way, back to our regularly scheduled bad news programming:




* " The United States is experiencing an unprecedented surge of hospitalizations across the country. Today, states reported that 61,964 people were hospitalized with COVID-19, more than at any other time in the pandemic. For context, there are now 40 percent more people hospitalized with COVID-19 than there were two weeks ago."


https://www.theatlantic.com/science...ronavirus-hospitalizations-new-record/617061/

 

[wizenheimer]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

BILLIONAIRE MEGADONERS WHO FOUGHT WISCONSIN’S PLANS TO CONTAIN PANDEMIC GET INFECTED AT WHITE HOUSE

Trump megadonors Liz and Dick Uihlein, owners of Uline shipping and outspoken opponents of COVID-19 prevention measures, have tested positive for the virus after attending an election night party at the White House.

Earlier this year, Liz Uihlein called the pandemic “overhyped,” lobbied legislators to overturn the public health restrictions by Governor Tony Evers, and backed a petition to have the Governor removed from office. A rare and brief interview with The Guardian on April 23 introduced Uihlein by stating:

“One of Donald Trump’s most fervent billionaire donors is lobbying against strict stay-at-home rules in the election battleground state of Wisconsin, raising troubling new questions about how the president’s rightwing financial supporters may influence the US response to the pandemic.”

http://www.milwaukeeindependent.com...ntain-pandemic-contract-covid-19-white-house/

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

'Patients go in and only come out in a body bag': El Paso nurse describes 'The Pit' where COVID patients get just three rounds of CPR before being left to die as Texas enlists inmates to move bodies at morgue for $2 an hour

• Pictures taken Saturday show offenders, dressed in PPE gear, helping the El Paso County Medical Examiner's office carry the dead to refrigerated trucks amid a mounting death toll that threatens to overwhelm the state
• The shocking images come just days after registered nurse Lawanna Rivers described her time at the University Medical Center in El Paso where she claims patients were taken to a room called The Pit
• The virus that is surging throughout the U.S. has been unsparing across Texas where the latest figures show more than one million people have tested positive for the virus; more than 20k have died across the state
• In El Paso data released by the city Monday confirms seven more people had died from the virus, bringing the death toll to 769. There were 1,550 new COVID-19 cases with more than 74,000 people testing positive

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-nurse-describes-horror-COVID-conditions.html

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

BTW, the French Laundry is like $600 pp for food only.

 

[andalusian]

The Canadians did us a favor when they sent us Wayne Gretzki. Not so much with this dude.

 

[GoBlazersGo]

"Ass, gas, or Grass(ley)... nobody rides the Covid train for free."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...an-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/6333792002/

 

[crandc]

Dr. Mengele Atlas is telling people to have holiday gatherings because it could be your grandparents' last Thanksgiving. Especially if you follow his advice.

Michigan Republican state legislators are trying to impeach Governor Whitmer for enacting public health measures. In other states they are filing legal challenges because they demand freedom to infect others.

Fox called suggestion to limit holiday celebration to immediate household "family separation". When children were taken from their parents and put in cages with no plan to reunite, they cheered that family separation.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://ktvz.com/news/coronavirus/2020/11/17/oregon-reports-13-more-covid-19-deaths-935-new-cases/

Oregon reports 13 more COVID-19 deaths, 935 new cases

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Ohio couple apologize for their 83-person 'super-spreader' wedding and reveal half the guests fell ill, their elderly grandparents are in hospital and they cancelled the honeymoon after getting sick

• Anthony and Mikayla Bishop tied the knot in Blue Ash on October 31 with 83 guests in attendance
• Less than two weeks later, the couple both tested positive to COVID-19, as did 30 of their wedding guests
• The newlyweds are now speaking out about their wedding ceremony, admitting no one wore masks and attendees hovered close together on the dance floor

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...erson-wedding-COVID-super-spreader-event.html