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HailBlazers said:
The definition is flawed. Dying with Covid is not the same as dying from it.
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It doesn't matter. The result is the same. Dying in a plane crash and dying from bleeding out after being cut in half by the chair next you is the same thing.

If somebody had a heart attack and died as the plane was going down they still died from a plane crash.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It doesn't matter. The result is the same. Dying in a plane crash and dying from bleeding out after being cut in half by the chair next you is the same thing.

If somebody had a heart attack and died as the plane was going down they still died from a plane crash.
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But if the pilot had a heart attack that caused a plane crash, you could argue that all the passengers died because of a heart attack.
 
Hearing more stories of Vaccine line cutters. My doctor friends were warned about it by their admins, but hearing stories and seeing people on IG who aren't in the proper groups getting vaccinated. You're also supposed to get vaccinated in the county you live in, but people are bypassing that through hookups (LA's rollout has been pretty bad versus nearby counties)
 
More people are testing positive around me, its pretty scary these days. Maintenance workers, even my coworker is in quarantine right now. Thinking of a better fan/disinfectant system to hopefully clean a room, doubt it will do good though. Been going through spray pretty quickly.
 
HailBlazers said:
Scary for people that are high risk, is that you? This virus is going nowhere.

The Future of the Coronavirus? An Annoying Childhood Infection
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Its evolved, and is hitting people differently now, at least according to my doc friends. What were once outliers are now dying.

They only see the bad cases though, so I'm not really sure how the mild cases really are.

Today, I was at work, and someone came in without a mask. He previously had COVID 19, and was like "I can't get it anymore" (false). I told him "but I can, so you stay over there".
 
andalusian said:
But if the pilot had a heart attack that caused a plane crash, you could argue that all the passengers died because of a heart attack.
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No, they died of a plane crash. The plane crashing caused the deaths. Just like covid-19 caused over 99.99% of covid-19 deaths. In fact we know that covid-19 caused more than 100% of all deaths currently classified as covid-19 deaths, because of the excess deaths numbers.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
It doesn't matter. The result is the same. Dying in a plane crash and dying from bleeding out after being cut in half by the chair next you is the same thing.

If somebody had a heart attack and died as the plane was going down they still died from a plane crash.
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This is terrible logic.
 
jonnyboy said:
This is terrible logic.
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Why, because it doesn't fit the narrative you want to see? These extremely rare cases do not impact the statistics at all.

You can't in good faith claim the edge cases make a difference and then attack the above logic.

Especially when we know excess deaths show that we are still not accounting for a large fraction of covid-19 deaths.

So I reject your claim about logic, as you have some obvious deficiencies in it's use.
 
65 and over can get vaccines in Florida, even if you don't live there.
 
Man, the Governor's new vaccination plan just strikes me as incredibly bad. Promoting teachers and other staff over people who are over 65 means taking vaccine out of the arms of the people who are most at risk of severe disease, and who are creating the most demand on hospitals and ICUs, and putting it into the arms of people who are generally younger and at less risk. I get that there is increasing pressure to reopen schools because parents need to get back to work. There's also little doubt that doing on-line education has a lot of bad side effects on kids' ability learn and has psychological impacts. All of that said, the new variant that will no doubt become the dominant strain of the virus because of its easier transmissibility, is said to infect kids far more easily than the original virus. That means that if you put kids in school, they are going to get the virus from each other, just like they do every other cold and flu bug. While there doesn't seem to be any greater illness among the young with the new variant, they are still going to take it home with them and spread it to parents and other relatives. I get that there are no great answers right now when vaccine is in short supply, but it seems to me that this is just going to make things worse and cost the lives of a lot of people who didn't need to die.

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/202...chers-jan-25-seniors-65-to-wait-to-feb-8.html
 
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/01/15...dominant-strain-in-us-by-march-cdc-says-.html

New Covid variant first found in UK could become dominant strain in U.S. by March, CDC says

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  • A more contagious strain of the coronavirus first found in the United Kingdom late last year could become the dominant strain in the United States by March, according to a new CDC study.
  • Researchers warned increased spread could add more pressure on the nation's hospitals and require greater public health measures to tamp down the virus.
  • The fast spread of the new variants might require more people to get vaccinated to achieve so-called herd immunity, the researchers said
 
Pretty sure YouTube will snuff this vid.

 
Vaccinations in Oregon by age...

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