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Jon said:
but it didnt keep the covid away? makes so much sense....

texas is completely opened up and have a 73% drop in daily cases since they did. Michigan is on a tyrannical lockdown and they are spiking the worst in the country. the governor of michigan is blaming Desantis and the state of Florida because they arent locked down and it was spring break. i wish i was making that up.

also, businesses didnt shut the doors. tyrannical government mandates did. they killed way too many businesses because they had the notion that if you get covid, it's an automatic death sentence, which it is not.
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Covid-19 is far more contagious and deadly than the flu.
 
Jon said:
really, so if what i am saying isn't true, then would you want the number to my son's speech therapist? she got both shots cause she works in a hospital. she has covid right now.
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When a vaccine is 90-95% effective that means that 5-10 out of 100 people will not be protected.
 
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Got second shot yesterday. Took myself to dinner. Weird taking off mask in a public place. Prosecco, avocado and blood orange salad, rib steak, potato cakes, chimichurri vegetables and ice cream sundae. I knew combination of alcohol and ice cream would wreck my system but hey, special occasion. Took some steak home, tomorrow's lunch.

Arm a bit sore today but Shingrix was far worse. Put my got vaccinated sticker on the door next to I voted sticker.
 
jonnyboy said:
You know this how?
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By reading legitimate epidemiologist and educational recommendations.

“However, when you get the second dose of the vaccine, you’re further training your immune system,” said Boslett. “You’re strengthening that response from the antibody-producing B cells and you’re also activating T memory cells that stick around for much longer.” Getting both doses of the vaccine means your body is shown this spike protein multiple times in a short duration. “So that immune response might be bigger, better and longer lasting than just getting the infection one time,” she said.

Because the booster effect is so important, Boslett adds that this is why people who have had COVID-19 are still recommended to get the vaccine.
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https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2021/01/419691/covid-19-vaccine-fact-vs-fiction-expert-weighs-common-fears
 
That was an editorial.

Early on there was less information. Being wrong, and then correcting oneself when more data are available, is called science.
 
crandc said:
Got second shot yesterday. Took myself to dinner. Weird taking off mask in a public place. Prosecco, avocado and blood orange salad, rib steak, potato cakes, chimichurri vegetables and ice cream sundae. I knew combination of alcohol and ice cream would wreck my system but hey, special occasion. Took some steak home, tomorrow's lunch.

Arm a bit sore today but Shingrix was far worse. Put my got vaccinated sticker on the door next to I voted sticker.
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yeah that second Shingrix kicked my but. Like you the second covid V just had a bit of sire arm. Glad it went well for ya and that dinner sounds super!
 
HailBlazers said:
Whatever helps you sleep at night

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COVID-19 VACCINATION STATEMENT

ENCEPHALITIS SOCIETY COVID-19 VACCINE CONSENSUS STATEMENT
First published 29th January, 2021. Updated 7th April, 2021.

Information is changing at a fast pace in relation to COVID-19 so in addition to reading this statement we encourage you to visit the links at the end of this document for the latest developments.

Developed in collaboration with our Scientific Advisory Panel

2020 was a challenging, and at times heart-breaking year for many people. At the end of the year however we saw some light at the end of the tunnel. COVID-19 vaccines were developed around the world and launched in many countries with more candidates in the pipeline.

But what does this mean for people who have been affected by encephalitis? Our Encephalitis Society Scientific Advisory Panel have approved the following consensus statement.

GENERAL RISKS
We do not think there is any reason to believe the COVID-19 vaccines will exacerbate encephalitis, the after-effects of encephalitis, provoke a relapse, or make encephalitis related treatment ineffective. This is based on what we know about the way these vaccines work, high-quality evidence from studies of other vaccines, detailed clinical studies of the vaccines and surveillance data after more than 693 million doses of vaccine have been given worldwide (7th April 2021). There is nothing to suggest any COVID-19 vaccine will be dangerous for people who have had encephalitis, including those currently or recently on immunosuppressive treatments.

Furthermore, none of the leading COVID-19 candidate vaccines are ‘live’ – meaning they do not contain any virus capable of causing infection

VACCINE CONFIDENCE
We are concerned that there are some people around the world who are reluctant to get vaccinated. We accept that people can be concerned about their health. However, we are also conscious that some concerns about vaccine safety are fuelled by fake news and information which is not evidence-based.

We also recognize that no medical intervention is completely risk-free but in the case of vaccinations it is important to understand that science and history have demonstrated that the significant benefits outweigh the very small, occasional risk.

Detailed surveillance has shown that there is an extremely small risk of unusual blood clots associated with a low blood platelet count in some younger people who receive the first dose of Oxford/Astra-Zeneca Covid-19. The European Medicines Agency and the UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) have therefore recommended that adults aged 18-29 years should be offered an alternative vaccine for the first dose.

Having the majority of the population immunized against COVID-19 is critical to reduce deaths, illness and disability caused by the virus, and in helping us all to be able to return to some kind of normality.

OTHER IMPORTANT POINTS
For the current vaccines, there is significant protection from a single dose, a second dose offers greater protection. You are therefore encouraged to complete the vaccine schedule and receive the second dose when offered.

We would particularly emphasize that it takes some time (up to a month) after vaccination to achieve immunity, so it is crucial to maintain precautions after initial vaccination. In addition although vaccination protects you, it does not stop transmission, so full measures are needed to protect others and stop the spread.

You should leave at least a 7-day gap between getting the flu vaccine and a COVID-19 vaccination.

You should only take any vaccine when you are well.

People that are on the clinically extremely vulnerable list should continue to take extra precautions to protect themselves from catching the virus.

If you have had encephalitis or are on treatments related to your encephalitis (for example immunosuppressive treatments) and are concerned, you should speak with the medical team involved in your care.

HOW THE ENCEPHALITIS SOCIETY CAN HELP
We are here for you. If you are worried and want to chat to someone, call our support line on +44 (0) 1653 699599 or use our Chat Online button on the website www.encephalitis.info .

We are unable to provide clinical advice to individuals in respect of the vaccine and we recommend you discuss your individual health circumstances with the medical professionals involved in your case, or with your primary or general practitioner or physician.

We also recently recorded a podcast with Professor Tom Solomon about the COVID-19 vaccine and you can view this here.

OTHER SOURCES OF HELP AND INFORMATION
www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/index.html

www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-the-green-book-chapter-14a

www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/prevention-and-control/vaccines

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/

https://www.encephalitis.info/blog/covid-19-vaccination-statement
 
HailBlazers said:
Whatever helps you sleep at night

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Question
Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

Answer from infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD
No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells.

However, Pfizer and Moderna did perform confirmation tests (to ensure the vaccines work) using fetal cell lines. And Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development, confirmation and production.

But it's important to have the full context: Fetal cell lines are not the same as fetal tissue.

Fetal cell lines are cells that grow in a laboratory. They descend from cells taken from elective abortions in the 1970s and 1980s. Those individual cells from the 1970s and 1980s have since multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, creating fetal cell lines. Current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. They do not contain any tissue from a fetus.

Vaccine makers may use these fetal cell lines in any of the following three stages of vaccine development:

  • Development: Identifying what works
  • Confirmation: Making sure it works
  • Production: Manufacturing the formula that works
When it comes to the COVID-19 vaccines currently approved for emergency use, neither the Pfizer nor Moderna vaccines used fetal cell lines during the development or production phases. (So, no fetal cell lines were used to manufacture the vaccine, and they are not inside the injection you receive from your doctor.) However, both companies used the fetal cell line HEK 293 in the confirmation phase to ensure the vaccines work. All HEK 293 cells are descended from tissue taken from a 1973 elective abortion that took place in the Netherlands.

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is a bit different. It is an adenovirus vector vaccine. (Adenovirus is the virus that causes the common cold. The virus in this vaccine has been changed so that it does NOT cause illness.) With this type of vaccine, a carrier, in this case adenovirus, acts as a delivery vehicle. The adenovirus has had the coronavirus spike protein added to its DNA. The adenovirus carries that genetic material into your body, delivering its modified DNA to your cells. Your cells will then make the spike protein, activating your immune system. Once activated, your immune system creates antibodies to fight off the spike protein. Learn more about the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

To make their virus vector vaccine, Johnson & Johnson infects PER.C6 fetal cell line cells with adenovirus. All PER.C6 cells used to manufacture the Johnson & Johnson vaccine are descended from tissue taken from a 1985 elective abortion that also took place in the Netherlands. They use this cell line because it is a well-studied industry standard for safe and reliable production of viral vector vaccines.

None of the COVID-19 vaccines in development use fetal cells taken from recent abortions.

We understand this topic is very sensitive and important within communities of faith. We want everyone to feel like they are making a fully informed decision. We encourage anyone with concerns about the use of fetal cell lines in vaccine development to weigh the risks and benefits of the COVID-19 vaccines with their doctor and have a personal conversation with a faith leader.

The Vatican has issued clear guidance that permits Roman Catholics in good faith to receive COVID-19 vaccines that use fetal cell lines in development or production. Read the Vatican's comments on the morality of receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.

Learn more about COVID-19 vaccine ingredients

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/y...covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells
 
HailBlazers said:
You don't think Science is political? Where do you think their money comes from.
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Im talking political like I can read a post about someones stance on the vaccine or Fauci and tell you who they voted for. Its so lame. Maybe it is becayse Trump treated Fauci like dogshit for the last year+.
 
calvin natt said:
Im talking political like I can read a post about someones stance on the vaccine or Fauci and tell you who they voted for. Its so lame. Maybe it is becayse Trump treated Fauci like dogshit for the last year+.
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Ok. My stance on Fauci has nothing to do with Trump and I didn't vote for him.

Dr. Kary Mullis, expert in Molecular biology, founder of the PCR test, on Tony who refused to debate him:

"“These guys like Fauci get up there and start talking to me, you know, he doesn’t know anything really about anything, and I’d say that to his face. Nothing. The man thinks you can take a blood sample and stick it in an electron microscope and if it’s got a virus in there you’d know it. He doesn’t understand electron microscopy, and he doesn’t understand medicine, and he shouldn’t be in the position he’s in.

Most of those guys up there on the top are just total administrative people, and they don’t know anything about what’s going on at the bottom. Those guys have an agenda, which is not what we would like them to have, being that we pay for them to take care of our health in some way. They’ve got a personal kind of agenda, they make up their own rules, they change them as they go. And Tony Fauci doesn’t mind going on television in front of the people who pay his salary and lie directly into the camera.

You can’t expect the sheep to really respect the best and the brightest. They don’t know the difference, really. I mean, I like humans, don’t get me wrong. But basically, there is a vast, vast majority of them do not possess the ability to judge who is and who isn’t really a good scientist.”
 
who refused to debate him:
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When and why did the public challenges to debate start? I'm sure it's always been a thing, but it feels like something that has really sprung up in the last 5 or so years.
 
HailBlazers said:
Dr. Kary Mullis, expert in Molecular biology, founder of the PCR test, on Tony who refused to debate him:
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Kary Mullis refuted the idea that CFC caused the Ozone hole, that humans have anything to do with global warming or that HIV caused AIDS. The man was basically a one hit wonder (potentially thanks to the use of LSD) that spent years studying Astrology. He basically fought the DNA analysis studies that his own PCR invention proved. Yeah, no disrespect - but the man was a very specific genius in a very specific area - and it did not seem to translate to any other areas from there. Would not take his assessment of other scientists seriously. Remember that this is the guy that OJ Simpson's own defense team who hired him decided he was not reliable enough to put on the witness stand...

https://alumni.berkeley.edu/califor...s-berkeleys-most-controversial-nobel-laureate

In 1994, Mullis was invited to speak about PCR at the annual scientific meeting of the European Society for Clinical Investigation. Instead, he took the opportunity to impugn the science behind AIDS medicine. The chairman of the organization later described Mullis’s performance in a blistering letter published in Nature: “His talk was in style rambling and in content inappropriate for a public appearance of a leader of science. … His only slides (on what he called his “art”) were photographs he’d taken of naked women with colored lights projected onto their bodies.” His discussion of AIDS was “incoherent and insubstantial.”

Schekman, who calls Mullis’s Nobel a “complete fluke,” compares him to the man in the White House. “He’s the molecular biology equivalent of Donald Trump in terms of his personal behavior,” he says.

I suggest you read the entire article before you really take anything he said about other scientists seriously.
 
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