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Lanny said:
Pretty much, yes.
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Then you're mistaken...
The covid vaccine does not prevent acquiring or transmitting the virus. Theoretically, it does help slow the transmission... but there's new data coming in that disputes that theory.

The main benefit of the covid vaccine is the reduction of symptoms if you get the virus.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
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Nope, but employees are responsible for either getting the vaccine or losing their job. This is America so they have a free choice. Me? Depends on how much I trust the shot and how much I enjoy the job and it's income. Since I trust the shot virtually 100% (virtually not completely) and I really fear the illness, which may very well be deadly for me, I get the shot every time and twice on Sundays.
 
tester551 said:
Then you're mistaken...
The covid vaccine does not prevent acquiring or transmitting the virus. Theoretically, it does help slow the transmission... but there's new data coming in that disputes that theory.

The main benefit of the covid vaccine is the reduction of symptoms if you get the virus.
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No, not according to the overwhelming experts on the subject as opposed to our experts in here. I'm a man of science so I know who to trust and who not to trust.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Viruses adapt. They learn, they change the way they operate to spread.
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No. This is not correct. Viruses have no capacity for learning. They are quite stupid. They do not adapt to anything.

What they do is mutate sometimes when they reproduce.

If you throw a die 100 times, the chances of you getting 100 6's is minuscule.
If you throw a die 1 trillion times, you are almost guaranteed to get at least 100 6's.
If you will be put to death if if 100 6's come up, you don't want to throw a trillion times.
If you have lots of hosts, you get lots of mutations. Some of those mutations might be better suited for attacking humans.
It's probability, not intelligence.

barfo
 
barfo said:
No. This is not correct. Viruses have no capacity for learning. They are quite stupid. They do not adapt to anything.

What they do is mutate sometimes when they reproduce.

If you throw a die 100 times, the chances of you getting 100 6's is minuscule.
If you throw a die 1 trillion times, you are almost guaranteed to get at least 100 6's.
If you will be put to death if if 100 6's come up, you don't want to throw a trillion times.
If you have lots of hosts, you get lots of mutations. Some of those mutations might be better suited for attacking humans.
It's probability, not intelligence.

barfo
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OMG, there are people in here who could be called a Barfo virus.
I think I know some, starting with Sly.
Oh wait, I hope his majesty doesn't read this, I really hate the hole.
I should've written this in a whisper.
Don't any of you tell Sly or I'll have you by the gonads.
 
barfo said:
No. This is not correct. Viruses have no capacity for learning. They are quite stupid. They do not adapt to anything.

What they do is mutate sometimes when they reproduce.

If you throw a die 100 times, the chances of you getting 100 6's is minuscule.
If you throw a die 1 trillion times, you are almost guaranteed to get at least 100 6's.
If you will be put to death if if 100 6's come up, you don't want to throw a trillion times.
If you have lots of hosts, you get lots of mutations. Some of those mutations might be better suited for attacking humans.
It's probability, not intelligence.

barfo
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-021-00573-0

Since late 2020, however, SARS-CoV-2 evolution has been characterized by the emergence of sets of mutations, in the context of ‘variants of concern’, that impact virus characteristics, including transmissibility and antigenicity, probably in response to the changing immune profile of the human population. There is emerging evidence of reduced neutralization of some SARS-CoV-2 variants by postvaccination serum; however, a greater understanding of correlates of protection is required to evaluate how this may impact vaccine effectiveness.
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SlyPokerDog said:
Where did I ever call you a name?
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You call me Lanny Fanny all the time and it hurts so bad that I cry myself to sleep. No, it's not the bottle of Scotch that makes me cry and fall to sleep with my clothes on.
 
Lanny said:
Nope, but employees are responsible for either getting the vaccine or losing their job. This is America so they have a free choice. Me? Depends on how much I trust the shot and how much I enjoy the job and it's income. Since I trust the shot virtually 100% (virtually not completely) and I really fear the illness, which may very well be deadly for me, I get the shot every time and twice on Sundays.
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Only vaccine manufacturers have waived liability. If someone gets sick or worse from vaccine mandated by employer, it's a workers comp case.
 
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
Only vaccine manufacturers have waived liability. If someone gets sick or worse from vaccine, it's a workers comp case.
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They waived liability because it was an emergency and they weren't 100% sure. Turns out they didn't really need to.
 
Lanny said:
They waived liability because it was an emergency and they weren't 100% sure. Turns out they didn't really need to.
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There has been no manufacturer liability for vaccine related injuries since the 1980’s. It was implemented by Reagan. Nothing to do with covid.
 
Lanny said:
They waived liability because it was an emergency and they weren't 100% sure. Turns out they didn't really need to.
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Then give up the waiver. It will increase the number of people willing to get the shot.

They won't.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Then give up the waiver. It will increase the number of people willing to get the shot.

They won't.
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Too many people are sue happy and swamp some companies on frivolous lawsuits.
 
barfo said:
I think that part you bolded is sloppy writing. I'm not sure what they were trying to say.

Consider that the delta variant originated in India at a time (December 2020) when no one there was vaccinated.

barfo
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Could also arise from those that got covid and recovered, then got Covid again and spread the new virus.

I'm thinking eventually, there will be something that attacks the spike proteins produced with the mRNA vaccine
 
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