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Minstrel said:
There are two major groups that have strong resistance to the vaccine--Trump supporters/arch-right conservatives and minorities who have traditionally been exploited in this country (largely, but not entirely, blacks and Latinos).
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You forgot: Americans with PhDs are most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID

"Researchers concluded that the most educated people in our society are not only the most hesitant about getting vaccinated but are also the least likely to change their minds about it."
 
HailBlazers said:
You forgot: Americans with PhDs are most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID

"Researchers concluded that the most educated people in our society are not only the most hesitant about getting vaccinated but are also the least likely to change their minds about it."
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A voluntary anonymous online survey.

No way to confirm if these people are actually PhDs.

But we have seen posts of anti-vaxxers claiming to be a lot of things, or self appointing themselves as PhDs in doing their own research.

Also you can get a PhD in sociology, art history, religion, etc. That doesn't mean they have any knowledge of medicine or vaccinations.
 
HailBlazers said:
You forgot: Americans with PhDs are most reluctant to get vaccinated against COVID

"Researchers concluded that the most educated people in our society are not only the most hesitant about getting vaccinated but are also the least likely to change their minds about it."
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That's interesting, but I was talking about "main groups" by size, not percentage within the group. I'm sure you can find a very specific group, like military wives or engineers in rural areas, that have even higher hesitancy rates.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Okay then the next county over.
Point being metro areas are typically blue and metro areas are where the protestors are causing “problems”
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The protestors causing problems in Oregon City are Republicans... Gladstone and Salem as well...
 
crandc said:
It's vaccines.
Oh BTW burden of proof, in science and in law, is on person making claim.
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your post eluded to mariss not being valid and the cdc is. So prove it. Stand by your words and take on that burden of proof you just outlined as being your responsibility for disclaiming mariss post as not truth compared to the cdc?

are you telling me instead of doing that i need to prove fauci has ties to Moderna????


Yeah. Pissin in the wind isn't productive, no doubt.
 
Orion Bailey said:
are you telling me instead of doing that i need to prove fauci has ties to Moderna????
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I didn't see where you claimed that, but if you did, you probably can't prove it, since it isn't true.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I didn't see where you claimed that, but if you did, you probably can't prove it, since it isn't true.

barfo
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typical Barfo…. How about addressing the meat of the post instead of only what you care to?

might make having an actual trusting conversation a bit more possible.
Until then not sure why you even quote me other than to actively try to create drama.
Your antics are very old my man…
 
Orion Bailey said:
typical Barfo…. How about addressing the meat of the post instead of only what you care to?

might make having an actual trusting conversation a bit more possible.
Until then not sure why you even quote me other than to actively try to create drama.
Your antics are very old my man…
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Typical OB, deflecting instead of addressing any part of the post.

I'm not trying to create drama. I'm trying to make sure lies don't get propagated. I'm not accusing you of doing that - I literally do not know why you mentioned Fauci and Moderna, but I wanted to point out it isn't true. That was the point of my post.

Not everything is about you. I'm interested in what you mentioned, not your emotional reaction to it (or lack thereof, if you prefer).

barfo
 
barfo said:
Typical OB, deflecting instead of addressing any part of the post.

I'm not trying to create drama. I'm trying to make sure lies don't get propagated. I'm not accusing you of doing that - I literally do not know why you mentioned Fauci and Moderna, but I wanted to point out it isn't true. That was the point of my post.

Not everything is about you. I'm interested in what you mentioned, not your emotional reaction to it (or lack thereof, if you prefer).

barfo
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i dont trust you being honest with your claimed “interests”.

I mentioned it because the other person eluded to a claim and didnt offer proof, but turned and said i should? So i just asked some stupid question not even thinking about the question, mocking the stupid post stating one needs to provide proof on the heels of a loose accusation without providing proof.
But instead of addressing that hypocrisy, you come at me…

i never made any claim, so your statement trying to not let lies propagate is just bullshit fluff.. typical bullshit fluff…

im sorryy tou cant handle the fact that you Re incapable of having an honest convsrsation so i dont care whether you think im serious or not or telling the truth a okt bow i feel or not?

you do realize you created this behavior towards you right?

The moment you said you will only address what you care to?
Ive already told you you lost me there. Not really concerned if you think im honest, real, trolling or what….because i cant trust you to be honest and upfront about things myself. So don't spin this crap as its not all about me. Its all about you dude. You.
I wouldnt have a wall up on you if you hadnt first put one up on me…


When you start addressing the tough questions along with the easy ones, honestly, ill change my tune. Until then i know discussing anything with you is futile, so i don't care to address the meat of your post. You will just spin, like you just tried to do…
 
And @barfo i have no ill will, no issues with you. Just so you know. This isn't emotions, itsjust firmly explaining my stance. I just know not to take you seriously based on your own admission.
It is what it is. I just find it annoying you keep trying when you admittedly dont converse openly and honestly.
 
Orion Bailey said:
And @barfo i have no ill will, no issues with you. Just so you know. This isn't emotions, itsjust firmly explaining my stance. I just know not to take you seriously based on your own admission.
It is what it is. I just find it annoying you keep trying when you admittedly dont converse openly and honestly.
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it sure reads like you have a issue with him.
 
ehizzy3 said:
it sure reads like you have a issue with him.
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i thought that might be the case, which is why i clarified.
Just tired of the one sided convos and gotcha quotes trying to be passed off as, “ attempting to have a conversation” when he self admittedly said he wont.
 
Orion Bailey said:
i dont trust you being honest with your claimed “interests”.
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That doesn't bother me any. You are a free man and can do what you like.

I mentioned it because the other person eluded to a claim and didnt offer proof, but turned and said i should? So i just asked some stupid question not even thinking about the question, mocking the stupid post stating one needs to provide proof on the heels of a loose accusation without providing proof.
But instead of addressing that hypocrisy, you come at me…
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Actually, as I mentioned before, I didn't know why you said that. I do appreciate your explaining why.

Since it is a claim that, coincidentally, has been making the rounds, I felt like pointing out that it isn't true. It's great to hear that you weren't attempting to claim that it was.

i never made any claim, so your statement trying to not let lies propagate is just bullshit fluff.. typical bullshit fluff…
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Actually, I mentioned that I hadn't seen you make the claim.

im sorryy tou cant handle the fact that you Re incapable of having an honest convsrsation so i dont care whether you think im serious or not or telling the truth a okt bow i feel or not?
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And I'm sorry your typing skills are so poor.

you do realize you created this behavior towards you right?

The moment you said you will only address what you care to?
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As I've mentioned, I'm quite sure everyone here only posts what they want to, not what you want them to. Or what I want them to, for that matter.

Ive already told you you lost me there. Not really concerned if you think im honest, real, trolling or what….because i cant trust you to be honest and upfront about things myself. So don't spin this crap as its not all about me. Its all about you dude. You.
I wouldnt have a wall up on you if you hadnt first put one up on me…
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You see conflict in places there isn't any. That's not a me issue.

When you start addressing the tough questions along with the easy ones, honestly, ill change my tune. Until then i know discussing anything with you is futile, so i don't care to address the meat of your post. You will just spin, like you just tried to do…
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What are these 'tough questions'? Who has the burden of proof in an online argument?

Not sure that's so tough.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That doesn't bother me any. You are a free man and can do what you like.



Actually, as I mentioned before, I didn't know why you said that. I do appreciate your explaining why.

Since it is a claim that, coincidentally, has been making the rounds, I felt like pointing out that it isn't true. It's great to hear that you weren't attempting to claim that it was.



Actually, I mentioned that I hadn't seen you make the claim.



And I'm sorry your typing skills are so poor.



As I've mentioned, I'm quite sure everyone here only posts what they want to, not what you want them to. Or what I want them to, for that matter.



You see conflict in places there isn't any. That's not a me issue.



What are these 'tough questions'? Who has the burden of proof in an online argument?

Not sure that's so tough.

barfo
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Yep!

Thats right!
 
Orion Bailey said:
And @barfo i have no ill will, no issues with you. Just so you know. This isn't emotions, itsjust firmly explaining my stance.
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That's fine. I'm not taking anything personally, and likewise, I have no ill will towards you.

I just know not to take you seriously based on your own admission.
It is what it is. I just find it annoying you keep trying when you admittedly dont converse openly and honestly.
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I did not ever 'admit I don't converse openly and honestly'. I simply said that I address points i find interesting to discuss. Those points may not be the things you think are important, but guess what? We are different people, we are allowed to have different interests.

barfo
 
Minstrel said:
So, you're right that all these anti-vaxxers aren't Trump supporters or ultra-right-wing conservatives. But one of the groups at least has a basis for fearing being told to do something and the other really doesn't (aside from the standard "don't tread on me" nonsense that popped up for the original vaccines or for seat belts or for other common-sense safety measures).
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I have heard this theory discussed from various media sources. And quite frankly I would be insulted if I was a minority. It is essentially saying that minorities are so stupid that they don't trust whites with this vaccine even though over 100 million of them have also taken it. Now if it was only offered to minorities, then yeah I would stay the hell away from it.
 
barfo said:
That's fine. I'm not taking anything personally, and likewise, I have no ill will towards you.



I did not ever 'admit I don't converse openly and honestly'. I simply said that I address points i find interesting to discuss. Those points may not be the things you think are important, but guess what? We are different people, we are allowed to have different interests.

barfo
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Yep!
Thats right!
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I have heard this theory discussed from various media sources. And quite frankly I would be insulted if I was a minority. It is essentially saying that minorities are so stupid that they don't trust whites with this vaccine even though over 100 million of them have also taken it. Now if it was only offered to minorities, then yeah I would stay the hell away from it.
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What alternative theory would you propose?

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
your post eluded to mariss not being valid and the cdc is. So prove it. Stand by your words and take on that burden of proof you just outlined as being your responsibility for disclaiming mariss post as not truth compared to the cdc?

are you telling me instead of doing that i need to prove fauci has ties to Moderna????


Yeah. Pissin in the wind isn't productive, no doubt.
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Extraordinary claims without evidence are just fairy tales.

It is socially acceptable for children to believe in fairy tales.
 
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