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Chris Craig said:
I initially brought up taxing junk food as one of many solutions on the spot, as quick ideas to fund UHC. It's perhaps not a sound solution, just a quick thought off the top of my head. OB agreed with it.

OB thinks everyone should pay into UHC, others like yourself on here don't agree with that. That's ok. We can all agree to disagree.

Not sure why a 2 month old argument has popped up again.
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It popped up because of PTSD.

It's a more serious problem than I realized. I say we just switch all the public money that is currently going into healthcare over to UHC.

That's far more per capita than Canada spends to cover every single Canadian. they get as good or better results than we do anyway. And then if we want more we can vote to increase spending.

Just received a $655 bill from my insurance for taking my daughter to urgent care after she got her hand broken in a basketball game.

Quick portable X-ray, and they gave her a splint. They are billing it out as surgery. Took 25 minutes total... smell the sweet, sweet, "capitalism"...
 
Shaboid said:
Diet-related diseases pose a major risk for Covid-19. But the U.S. overlooks them.

I think this topic was being discussed around here for a bit.
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Phatguysrule said:
Pretty sure it was in a covid-19 thread... And you're bringing it up Agian in a covid-19 thread...

Seems like a great way to cause a miscommunication.
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Look above. I didn't bring it up again. I just commented that the posted article said coincides with alot of what i was saying before..
Chris Craig said:
I initially brought up taxing junk food as one of many solutions on the spot, as quick ideas to fund UHC. It's perhaps not a sound solution, just a quick thought off the top of my head. OB agreed with it.

OB thinks everyone should pay into UHC, others like yourself on here don't agree with that. That's ok. We can all agree to disagree.

Not sure why a 2 month old argument has popped up again.
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exactly. And i feel those that choose higher risks should pay in more.
Nothing is cut and dry black and white and neither are most opinions.
Im just tired of all the condescension.

And im atfault for lashing back so quickly. ( even though i felt i maintained my cool in the original conversation that others claim i was offended and wasn't laughed off…( even though one can see above i was deemed heartless).

im just tired of the double standard twists trying to paint me as the bad guy while completely dismissing others posts and behavior… this is whats ridiculous to me.

Ill go edit my post.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Look above. I didn't bring it up again. I just commented that the posted article said coincides with alot of what i was saying before..


exactly. And i feel those that choose higher risks should pay in more.
Nothing is cut and dry black and white and neither are most opinions.
Im just tired of all the condescension.

And im atfault for lashing back so quickly. ( even though i felt i maintained my cool in the original conversation that others claim i was offended and wasn't laughed off…( even though one can see above i was deemed heartless).

im just tired of the double standard twists trying to paint me as the bad guy while completely dismissing others posts and behavior… this is whats ridiculous to me.

Ill go edit my post.
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Nothing needs to be edited.

Let's just all agree to disagree and move on
 
Chris Craig said:
Nothing needs to be edited.

Let's just all agree to disagree and move on
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maybe not per the rules but i felt an editing was a good thing anyhow. :)

agreed we can agree to disagree without being insulting and just move on.
Movin on now.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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I don't know whats worse. That she's knowingly spreading misinformation, or that she's so fucking dumb she thinks that's what communism is. But considering how many fucking idiots think that Social = Communism, I'm not surprised this twat does too.
 
Phatguysrule said:
What in the hell does that tweet have to do with communism? I swear, I'm losing my patience with how ignorant this country is... I'm about to start supporting a knowledge test to earn the right to vote... this is a disgrace.
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should have been one a long time ago. I’ve never been under the thought that voting is a right. Its a privilege that most countries dont have.
 
Orion Bailey said:
should have been one a long time ago. I’ve never been under the thought that voting is a right. Its a privilege that most countries dont have.
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I've always wanted to support the rights of everyone to have a say, but with how effectively corporate and foreign interests can spread propaganda nowadays I'm questioning if logic and reason stand a chance...
 
Phatguysrule said:
I've always wanted to support the rights of everyone to have a say, but with how effectively corporate and foreign interests can spread propaganda nowadays I'm questioning if logic and reason stand a chance...
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The reason we restrict voting to 18 and older is because of mind development. When someone lets their mind deteriorate to that of an adolescent, they, to me, have forfeited their right to have a say.

That’s hard core and not how i used to feel, but in this, you and i agree 100%. You know how i feel about fake news and with sooo many people being manipulated, i have zero faith in the masses making sound, good judgment decisions.
 
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BigGameDamian said:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...us-about-leak-of-his-unvaccinated-status/amp/

Aaron Rodgers is “furious” about leak of his unvaccinated status
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Rodgers needs a discount vaccine doublecheck.
 
Who gets to decide which citizens get to vote? Republicans are busy passing laws saying only white people who are not college students qualify.
 
Shaboid said:
I'm with Crand on this one. Slippery slope.
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Link? Haven't heard that but yes, its a slippery slope and could be very dangerous. However there is no refuting that the crazy extremists on both sides are screaming the loudest these days… and if we aren't careful…

Very slippery indeed…

so how does society quell the fake news bandits openly trying to warp the masses to march inline behind them, so one can regain faith that society will vote with sound information provided to them, to make the best choice they deem fit, based on accurate knowledge of relevant data on said topic or vote?


talk about run on sentance…
 
But really how many people NOT on the fringes are doing all sorts of research into candidates and measures? Plenty of "sane" people that often just vote party line all the way down the ticket.
The question of who gets to decide is a scary one, and also what do you base these decisions on. What if someone that isn't neccessarily on the fringe doesn't research candidates, but relies solely on whether they are pro choice or pro-life to vote, so called one issue voters. Are they well informed enough to be voting? Where does one draw the line of the informedness of a voter?
I'm far likelier to support compulsory voting than I am a knowledge test to be able to vote.
 
RR7 said:
I'm far likelier to support compulsory voting than I am a knowledge test to be able to vote.
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Agreed. I'd rather make voting required and figure how to improve education, perhaps by funding schools with state taxes, rather than with local taxes, so that schools in small, poor and/or rural communities don't fall behind in teaching kids critical thinking skills.
 
crandc said:
Not in favor of compulsory voting.
Need voting rights bills that restrict dark money. Need campaign finance reform. Need good civics classes in schools.
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ive been advocating for campaign finance reform forever!!!
I really don't think we can fix anything else until we get soft money out of it, amongst other things, with the finance reform.
 
crandc said:
Who gets to decide which citizens get to vote? Republicans are busy passing laws saying only white people who are not college students qualify.
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Yeah, I'm not there yet... And honestly I don't think I ever would get there. Unless of course I were emperor...

Just frustrated.
 
crandc said:
Not in favor of compulsory voting.
Need voting rights bills that restrict dark money. Need campaign finance reform. Need good civics classes in schools.
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Yes. But we how do we get campaign finance reform (or your other two great suggestions) with a population so susceptible to insane propaganda?
 
Compulsory voting would end the practices of disenfranchsing voters. That alone makes it worthwhile to me, before even getting into arguments about how democracy is a participatory sport and the strongest democracies tend to be the ones that have the greatest voter engagement.

(Yes, I know, technically the US isn't classified a "democracy," but a "Constitutional Republic." )
 
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