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SlyPokerDog said:
I find it odd that the these are all the same people.

"It's from a lab."

"It's no worse than the flu."

"It's a bio weapon."

"Masks are nothing more than face diapers."

"A horse dewormer cures it."
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All true.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I find it odd that the these are all the same people.

"It's from a lab."

"It's no worse than the flu."

"It's a bio weapon."

"Masks are nothing more than face diapers."

"A horse dewormer cures it."
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As crandc said, standard science language.
 
e_blazer said:
Sure, in the Trumpian sense of that term.
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1. It is from a lab. It originated in the city with the lab that studies coronaviruses exclusively. Lets just be adults and accept this one.

2. The flu has killed many many times more people, so what is your mertic for “worse”?

3. If it was released from a lab and killed a bunch of people, it’s a bio weapon. Cut and dry.

4. Masks don’t do jack shit. They just look stupid and really are only useful for profiling purposes.

5. ivermectin is indeed used and prescribed by practicing physicians to treat covid. Another easy one. Calling it horse dewormer is just a lazy smear. It does work for that too though, it’s actually a very effective medicine in many applications.
 
jonnyboy said:
1. It is from a lab. It originated in the city with the lab that studies coronaviruses exclusively. Lets just be adults and accept this one.

2. The flu has killed many many times more people, so what is your mertic for “worse”?

3. If it was released from a lab and killed a bunch of people, it’s a bio weapon. Cut and dry.

4. Masks don’t do jack shit. They just look stupid and really are only useful for profiling purposes.

5. ivermectin is indeed used and prescribed by practicing physicians to treat covid. Another easy one. Calling it horse dewormer is just a lazy smear. It does work for that too though, it’s actually a very effective medicine in many applications.
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The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals. The FDA has determined that currently available clinical trial data do not demonstrate that ivermectin is effective against COVID 19 in humans
 
crandc said:
That shit is standard anti science language.
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No, this is.
Science involves asking questions, seeking answers and being willing to examine things irregardless if a newsperson told you to. Boiling down to “anti” or “pro” monikers is really more akin to religious dogma than anything. It’s definitely not in the spirit of science.
 
jonnyboy said:
No, this is.
Science involves asking questions, seeking answers and being willing to examine things irregardless if a newsperson told you to. Boiling down to “anti” or “pro” monikers is really more akin to religious dogma than anything. It’s definitely not in the spirit of science.
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I love it when Billy Bob lectures actual scientists about science...
 
jonnyboy said:
1. It is from a lab. It originated in the city with the lab that studies coronaviruses exclusively. Lets just be adults and accept this one.

2. The flu has killed many many times more people, so what is your mertic for “worse”?

3. If it was released from a lab and killed a bunch of people, it’s a bio weapon. Cut and dry.

4. Masks don’t do jack shit. They just look stupid and really are only useful for profiling purposes.

5. ivermectin is indeed used and prescribed by practicing physicians to treat covid. Another easy one. Calling it horse dewormer is just a lazy smear. It does work for that too though, it’s actually a very effective medicine in many applications.
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1. It could have been either and we'll probably never know the answer with 100% certainty. Many "adult" scientists still say that the natural jump from animal to humans is the more likely theory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57268111

2. The flu is multiple diseases and has had a few hundred years to rack up deaths. Covid is still more dangerous than flu, but the gap is narrowing now that so much immunity has been developed in the general populace through infection and those "worthless" vaccines. https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2024-05-15/covid-19-remains-deadlier-than-the-flu

3. You seem to not understand the underpinnings of logic very well. If it was released from a lab, all that we can directly infer is that the virus was being studied in a lab setting. Could it have been being studied for purposes of evaluating its possible use as a bio weapon, whether for developing such a weapon or considering how to combat it, sure. It would be pretty stupid not to constantly be evaluating such things.

4. This one is the dumbest thing I see spread on the web. Usually the "evidence" is how small viruses are relative to the gaps in mask fabric. This ignores the fact that most viruses emitted from an infected person are attached to spit or snot globules, which are easily blocked by a mask. I'll go with medical advice over conspiracy theorist advice. My recent bout of Covid included a trip to urgent care. The doctor pointed to masks as the most effective way of preventing spread. He said if both the infected person and other people in the household wear masks, the risk of spread is near zero.

5. Again, I'll go with medical science vs. Dr. Jonnyboy opinion. https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/news/new-s...cks-meaningful-benefits-in-covid-19-treatment
 
Phatguysrule said:
The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals. The FDA has determined that currently available clinical trial data do not demonstrate that ivermectin is effective against COVID 19 in humans
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Who cares? Doctors prescribe it for covid because they feel it works. The FDA is influenced by lobbyists, big pharma and big ag. They change the food pyramid every 5 years to stuff whatever byproduct the ag or chemical companies have a surplus of into your hot pockets. Look around next time you’re in public at all the sick, unhealthy and over medicated people walking around and ask yourself if an entity called the “food and drug” administration has your best interests in mind.
 
jonnyboy said:
I love it when actual scientists claim there are more than one gender…
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This isn't a question of science. Gender is a socially constructed concept.

The problem that you seem to have with scientists is that you don't know what you're talking about, but they do.

But it seems very clear that there is definitely more than one single gender.
 
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jonnyboy said:
Who cares? Doctors prescribe it for covid because they feel it works. The FDA is influenced by lobbyists, big pharma and big ag. They change the food pyramid every 5 years to stuff whatever byproduct the ag or chemical companies have a surplus of into your hot pockets. Look around next time you’re in public at all the sick, unhealthy and over medicated people walking around and ask yourself if an entity called the “food and drug” administration has your best interests in mind.
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So you are arguing for more medication based on feelings rather than data and evidence.

I see...
 
Phatguysrule said:
This isn't a question of science. Gender is a socially constructed concept.

The problem that you seem to have with scientists is that you don't know what you're talking about, but they do.

But it seems very clear that there is definitely more than one single gender.
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I obviously meant two, but i digress. Any scientist claiming otherwise isn’t a scientist. No, gender is not a “social construct”. It’s the most simple biological construct and its very black and white. Claiming otherwise is mental illness.
 
jonnyboy said:
Doctors prescribe it for covid because they feel it works.
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This is a one time, limited sample size about the covid vacine. But, under tight controlled observation conditions, by several doctors. I would not consider it a scientific study.

The navy seals have a very controlled set of activities a class member must pass to become a seal. Every class is treated the same. The navy has a long track record of results. How many pass, and how far each member gets before dropping out. They know how far they can push someone, to find the best.

One class stood out. Within the first 7 days, 100 had dropped out, due to fatigue. This drop out rate was many times higher than the average.

Several professionals were called in to find out why so many dropped out so quickly. The only condition that had changed. This class was the first to recently receive the covid vacine.

Their theory. While it is known that covid causes fatigue. They believe people become fatigued shortly after receiving the vacine.

Later classes did not start untill a waiting period after receiving the shot. The drop out rates returned to normal.
 
oldfisherman said:
This is a one time, limited sample size about the covid vacine. But, under tight controlled observation conditions, by several doctors. I would not consider it a scientific study.

The navy seals have a very controlled set of activities a class member must pass to become a seal. Every class is treated the same. The navy has a long track record of results. How many pass, and how far each member gets before dropping out. They know how far they can push someone, to find the best.

One class stood out. Within the first 7 days, 100 had dropped out, due to fatigue. This drop out rate was many times higher than the average.

Several professionals were called in to find out why so many dropped out so quickly. The only condition that had changed. This class was the first to recently receive the covid vacine.

Their theory. While it is known that covid causes fatigue. They believe people become fatigued shortly after receiving the vacine.

Later classes did not start untill a waiting period after receiving the shot. The drop out rates returned to normal.
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The Basic Underwater Demolition/Seal (BUD/S) course for Navy SEALs has a dropout rate of 70–85% per class. The course is considered one of the most difficult training programs in the US military and lasts about a year. Candidates undergo a grueling program that includes: Limited sleep, Cold water, Constant physical exercise, Combat training, and Five-and-a-half days of training with fewer than four hours of sleep.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65724065
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The Basic Underwater Demolition/Seal (BUD/S) course for Navy SEALs has a dropout rate of 70–85% per class. The course is considered one of the most difficult training programs in the US military and lasts about a year. Candidates undergo a grueling program that includes: Limited sleep, Cold water, Constant physical exercise, Combat training, and Five-and-a-half days of training with fewer than four hours of sleep.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65724065
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What is your point?

70-85% drop out, over a 56 week time line.

After receiving the vacine, 65% dropped out in the first week.
 
jonnyboy said:
I obviously meant two, but i digress. Any scientist claiming otherwise isn’t a scientist. No, gender is not a “social construct”. It’s the most simple biological construct and its very black and white. Claiming otherwise is mental illness.
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What you are referring to is biological sex. That's not the same as gender.
 
oldfisherman said:
What is your point?

70-85% drop out, over a 56 week time line.

After receiving the vacine, 65% dropped out in the first week.
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I believe it. The first few days after getting the vaccine are rough.

Luckily you're normal after that.
 
oldfisherman said:
What is your point?

70-85% drop out, over a 56 week time line.

After receiving the vacine, 65% dropped out in the first week.
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I don’t know if this relates to the specific class you mentioned, but it’s about the right time period. A study was done on the higher dropout rate and it ended up being attributed to one new officer who was a real hardass.


“The report also touches on a period of heightened attrition seen at BUD/S during 2021-2022 that started shortly after Basic Training Command, which oversees BUD/S, had a change of command in the fall of 2020. Beginning with Class 346 in January/February 2021 attrition during the first three weeks of 1st Phase began to “noticeably increase beyond historical averages,” the report states.

It adds that “attrition due to candidates dropping on request during weeks 1-3 of 1st Phase rose during 2021/2022 to 48 percent and 49 percent respectively from the historic average of 30 percent.” This heightened attrition continued throughout the course of an unnamed officer being in charge of 1st Phase, until returning to normal levels by Classes 354 and 355.

Exit interviews of those classes with heightened attrition rates showed that 91% of students who didn’t make it cited “physical limitations or a lack of motivation” as the reason for quitting and 8% cited specific injuries. The leadership of BUD/S, however, attributed the heightened attrition of Classes 350-355 to COVID-19, an increased intensity in how the curriculum was administered, including the addition of ruck runs to training, and “overly enthusiastic class leadership creating extra work at the expense of rest.” In other words, the student leaders of BUD/S classes were pressuring fellow students to drop out, and putting demands on their fellow classmates above and beyond the BUD/S curriculum.”

https://www.sandboxx.us/news/special-ops/new-navy-report-reveals-rare-seal-training-attrition-data/
 
e_blazer said:
I don’t know if this relates to the specific class you mentioned, but it’s about the right time period. A study was done on the higher dropout rate and it ended up being attributed to one new officer who was a real hardass.


“The report also touches on a period of heightened attrition seen at BUD/S during 2021-2022 that started shortly after Basic Training Command, which oversees BUD/S, had a change of command in the fall of 2020. Beginning with Class 346 in January/February 2021 attrition during the first three weeks of 1st Phase began to “noticeably increase beyond historical averages,” the report states.

It adds that “attrition due to candidates dropping on request during weeks 1-3 of 1st Phase rose during 2021/2022 to 48 percent and 49 percent respectively from the historic average of 30 percent.” This heightened attrition continued throughout the course of an unnamed officer being in charge of 1st Phase, until returning to normal levels by Classes 354 and 355.

Exit interviews of those classes with heightened attrition rates showed that 91% of students who didn’t make it cited “physical limitations or a lack of motivation” as the reason for quitting and 8% cited specific injuries. The leadership of BUD/S, however, attributed the heightened attrition of Classes 350-355 to COVID-19, an increased intensity in how the curriculum was administered, including the addition of ruck runs to training, and “overly enthusiastic class leadership creating extra work at the expense of rest.” In other words, the student leaders of BUD/S classes were pressuring fellow students to drop out, and putting demands on their fellow classmates above and beyond the BUD/S curriculum.”

https://www.sandboxx.us/news/special-ops/new-navy-report-reveals-rare-seal-training-attrition-data/
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The only class with the very high dropout rate in the first week was class 351.

As you posted. Other classes around that time also had higher than normal dropout rates, due to positive covid tests. Sadly, when one classmate tested positive, his roommate also had to drop out. Even if he tested negative. This greatly increased the normal dropout rates during the entire training period.

The covid policys in place at the time made it next to impossible to train the team concept so important in the seals.
 
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