OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

[beast blazer]

Jeezus, another fucking "stable genius". I feel like I'm on the official message board of Saturday Night Live.....or maybe the Twilight Zone. Where do these brilliant minds spring from? And Mom's basement doesn't count.........

Is it better to apply no critical thinking, and believe whatever the TV tells you? That is what dullards do, and the world is full of dullards unfortunately.

 

[MickZagger]

One thing I’ve learned over my years, is that people that think they’re smarter than they actually are, generally are the ones that cling to conspiracy theories and bullshit bro science.

It’s overcompensation.

 

[beast blazer]

One thing I’ve learned over my years, is that people that think they’re smarter than they actually are, generally are the ones that cling to conspiracy theories and bullshit bro science.

It’s overcompensation.

If you know some basic facts, you can apply basic reasoning skills to a situation. But when those facts are put in front of your face you won't even look at them. Hey...it's your body, your choice.

 

[riverman]

I’m proof the vaccines work. At 70 with a bum ticker I’ve been vaccinated 4 times for Covid and flu since the pandemic and my heart and health are better now than before the pandemic. My heart surgeons and nurses and the whole team at the VA and Oregon Cardiology are also all boosted and vaccinated and none of us have cancer. Scientific method is demonstrable and I’m the perfect lab rat for showing the success of it. According to the Rogan RFK jr camp I should be dead already. I’ll listen to medical professionals who saved my life but you’re welcome to take advice from a bad comic and a part time WWE announcerAnalysis 101. Choices. I’ve yet to get covid

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

These aren't my "takes" you can ready the study for yourself. I'm just very good at analyzing things, and know the history of failed interventions in complex systems, and therefore, knew injecting MRNA packets into the body was a dangerous idea.

What's more, the vaccine was contaminated with cancer promoting SV40 DNA fragments, and the signature of the vaccine has been found in cancers, which basically proves it integrated with DNA. But there are a myriad of issues with the shots, and no benefit.

The media won't cover these facts, so I want to put it out there for people so at least they have a warning, though I know most won't heed it.

So..........how come the guy who fast tracked and pushed hard to get those vaccines approved (so that he could take all the credit) isn't "sharing" that "information" if it is factual? All we're hearing from the former Trump administration is crickets. Probably because he is never to blame for anything. Instead, we have the Mom's Basement Stable Genius Conspiracy Team leading the way. How comforting........

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

If you know some basic facts, you can apply basic reasoning skills to a situation. But when those facts are put in front of your face you won't even look at them. Hey...it's your body, your choice.

That - and getting information from multiple sources.

I'm always skeptical when someone says 'trust me' because I'm a professional. Especially when there are other professionals who spend time and can explain WHY the common narrative is incorrect.

Simple example from not too far in the past is smoking... Most of the 'professionals' in the 30/40's thought smoking was good for you - some doctors even prescribed it.

One thing I’ve learned over my years, is that people that think they’re smarter than they actually are, generally are the ones that cling to conspiracy theories and bullshit bro science.

First part of the statement is very true... but it effects people at ALL levels of society.

 

[riverman]

That - and getting information from multiple sources.

I'm always skeptical when someone says 'trust me' because I'm a professional. Especially when there are other professionals who spend time and can explain WHY the common narrative is incorrect.

Simple example from not too far in the past is smoking... Most of the 'professionals' in the 30/40's thought smoking was good for you - some doctors even prescribed it.


First part of the statement is very true... but it effects people at ALL levels of society.

those chain smoking doctors and diet pill taking housewives from the 30s -50s were lecturing through the lens of serious addiction...they used the Niacin, Thiamine in tobacco as an excuse to tag it as "good " for you. Venture to say many of them passed away from cancer. Sadly today if a podcaster said tobacco was good for you it'd probably gain popularity again..lot of sheeple out there

 

[jonnyboy]

So..........how come the guy who fast tracked and pushed hard to get those vaccines approved (so that he could take all the credit) isn't "sharing" that "information" if it is factual? All we're hearing from the former Trump administration is crickets. Probably because he is never to blame for anything. Instead, we have the Mom's Basement Stable Genius Conspiracy Team leading the way. How comforting........

I’d rather hear facts from someone in their basement than insults from someone in their basement.

 

[beast blazer]

That - and getting information from multiple sources.

I'm always skeptical when someone says 'trust me' because I'm a professional. Especially when there are other professionals who spend time and can explain WHY the common narrative is incorrect.

Simple example from not too far in the past is smoking... Most of the 'professionals' in the 30/40's thought smoking was good for you - some doctors even prescribed it.


First part of the statement is very true... but it effects people at ALL levels of society.

Exactly. Being about to blindly trust organization ABC is a nice idea, but how can you do so when they told you smoking didn't cause cancer, that there was no danger in putting lead in gasoline, that margerine was better for you than butter, that spraying kids down with DDT was fine, that brought you medications like Vioxx, that knowingly released medication tainted with the HIV virus....

And is it a wonder that the same shows that are "brought to you by Pfizer"don't report on this?

 

[crandc]

Science is a human endeavor, which means scientists make mistakes. And some are bought off. But even with the best will and best training sometimes humans err

Difference is, science is self correcting. When new or better data become available errors can be corrected.

Conspiracy theories are not self correcting. To the contrary. The more they are shown to have no factual basis, the more devoted their followers become. Because they are "persecuted" of others don't put nonsense on the same level as provable facts.

 

[riverman]

Doctors have saved my life 3 times from certain death if I had gone without their professional expertise...it's hardly "blind trust" to trust a medical team that saved your life and improved your quality of life over the next decade. Choices....what happened 90 years ago has nothing to do with modern medicine and no doctor has sprayed my kids with DDT or promoted smoking in my 70 years but when I was young, many smoked. Vast majority of pandemic deaths were anti vaccination stubborn people who could have been saved if they listened to the science. You can drink all the whole milk and raw food you want..smoke all you want...go without masks during a pandemic...nobody will make you be smart about public safety if you just aren't smart about public safety..if you're lucky...a doctor or nurse might save your life too. Masks kept me alive in the middle of the SARS epidemic in 2003, that and hand washing and bleaching surfaces...many people died all around Taipei and when Covid showed up...they kept it to a minimum instantly with masking, bleaching and handwashing...made their own vaccine instead of waiting for ours. single digit deaths a few hours from Wuhan on an island with 23 million people in 3 crowded cities. A miraculous defense against covid....doctors there knew what to expect rather than politicize it like Trump's people did. We could have saved so many more lives had people come together at the outset instead of starting a pissing contest. Same people strangely are still trying to start a pissing contest over vaccinations and masks.

 

[riverman]

Science is a human endeavor, which means scientists make mistakes. And some are bought off. But even with the best will and best training sometimes humans err

Difference is, science is self correcting. When new or better data become available errors can be corrected.

Conspiracy theories are not self correcting. To the contrary. The more they are shown to have no factual basis, the more devoted their followers become. Because they are "persecuted" of others don't put nonsense on the same level as provable facts.

thank you...well said

 

[beast blazer]

those chain smoking doctors and diet pill taking housewives from the 30s -50s were lecturing through the lens of serious addiction...they used the Niacin, Thiamine in tobacco as an excuse to tag it as "good " for you. Venture to say many of them passed away from cancer. Sadly today if a podcaster said tobacco was good for you it'd probably gain popularity again..lot of sheeple out there

Or if they told you taking a transfecting agent was a good way to enhance your immune system...

 

[beast blazer]

Doctors have saved my life 3 times from certain death if I had gone without their professional expertise...it's hardly "blind trust" to trust a medical team that saved your life and improved your quality of life over the next decade. Choices....what happened 90 years ago has nothing to do with modern medicine and no doctor has sprayed my kids with DDT or promoted smoking in my 70 years but when I was young, many smoked. Vast majority of pandemic deaths were anti vaccination stubborn people who could have been saved if they listened to the science. You can drink all the whole milk and raw food you want..smoke all you want...go without masks during a pandemic...nobody will make you be smart about public safety if you just aren't smart about public safety..if you're lucky...a doctor or nurse might save your life too. Masks kept me alive in the middle of the SARS epidemic in 2003, that and hand washing and bleaching surfaces...many people died all around Taipei and when Covid showed up...they kept it to a minimum instantly with masking, bleaching and handwashing...made their own vaccine instead of waiting for ours. single digit deaths a few hours from Wuhan on an island with 23 million people in 3 crowded cities. A miraculous defense against covid....doctors there knew what to expect rather than politicize it like Trump's people did. We could have saved so many more lives had people come together at the outset instead of starting a pissing contest. Same people strangely are still trying to start a pissing contest over vaccinations and masks.

Masks didn't do shit. I post dozens of studies that found no benefit to it. Fauci even admitted in a private email that they did no good, then suddenly changed stance on it, and it became a kind of political hockey puck, and a talisman for those on "tribe left".

 

[riverman]

Masks save lives of people exposed to airbourne viruses as well as house painters, surgeons, factory workers, nurses, dentists, firefighters, demolition crews, all kinds of people...you are trained to use masks to protect yourself from chemical weapons or fires in the military. You don't have to wear one...go sand some fiberglass without one and tell me again they don't do anything...because of internet articles you found? These are common sense measures but man...some of you just don't have a lick of common sense. Volcanic ash can kill you if you breath it unmasked...go to Hawaii and walk around for a couple weeks breathing those glass shards into your lungs and tell me how macho it makes you feel. The countries with the best survival rates on earth from the pandemic were the first to mask up..Taiwan, Denmark and New Zealand...the stubborn places lost millions of savable people..choices..I wore a mask during SARS and during Covid and I didn't get either...scientific method works. I have many friends in the medical field in Taiwan and they all believed in precautions from Airbourne viruses. All survived, none got covid and they were right to trust the science...Safety protocols for public safety weren't exclusive to America...a lot of scientists believed in the Taiwanese approach to battling a pandemic. Only here did reality TV stars become the voice of a rebellion against safety precautions. Try cleaning out a painters particulate mask filters and imagine that shit coating your lungs sometime...right

 

[jonnyboy]

Masks save lives of people exposed to airbourne viruses as wll house Painters, surgeons, factory workers, nurses, dentists, firefighters, demolition crews, all kinds of people...you are trained to us masks to protect yourself from chemical weapons or fires in the military. You don't have to wear one...go sand some fiberglass without one and tell me again they don't do anything...because of internet articles you found? These are common sense measures but man...some of you just don't have a lick of common sense. Volcanic ash can kill you if you breath it unmasked...go to Hawaii and walk around for a couple weeks breathing those glass shards into your lungs and tell me how macho it makes you feel.

What about Halloween masks?! Children love them!! How dare you! What about ski masks if you are skiing?!?! Now you hate skiing?!?!?!?!?!

You can’t be serious dude. This comment is laughable. Do you actually think he has some vendetta against masks in general? Or are you just trying to muddy up the argument because you don’t want to address the issue of them being ineffective against Covid? Really ridiculous comment man. Nobody said anything about dust masks for dust or SCBAs for firefighters. You are just yelling just to yell.

 

[riverman]

@johnnyboy I wore the mask...for SARS and Covid and painting houses and fighting fires..and in the military...masks save lives....no yelling needed..my doctors wear them too and they aren't painting houses...so does the dentist...guess why? my four year old grandson would know ski masks and Halloween masks are not protective gear...I guess you're homeschooled or just insulting me from your mom's basement again..let's simplify it and say masks for airborne shit that can get in your lungs...

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I’d rather hear facts from someone in their basement than insults from someone in their basement.

Not sure why. They both have the exact same value.....

 

[beast blazer]

There are actually people who specialize in the use of masks and what they are effective in preventing, and they'll tell you they are basically worthless for airborne viruses. Imagine for example, walking into a restaurant where people are smoking, but through one of those cloth masks, would you expect to not smell smoke?

There are masks that are able to filter out viruses, and they look like this. But you didn't see anyone walking around with these on did you?

 

[barfo]

I'm just very good at analyzing things

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

barfo

 

[beast blazer]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

barfo

That's because you're not good at analyzing things.

 

[barfo]

That's because you're not good at analyzing things.

That's one possible explanation, yes. Can you think of any others?

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

There are actually people who specialize in the use of masks and what they are effective in preventing, and they'll tell you they are basically worthless for airborne viruses. Imagine for example, walking into a restaurant where people are smoking, but through one of those cloth masks, would you expect to not smell smoke?

There are masks that are able to filter out viruses, and they look like this. But you didn't see anyone walking around with these on did you?

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That is for airborne virus . COVID is spread as much or more via droplets as airborne.

So any mask that prevents or impedes droplets from entering your mouth reduces transmission rates.

 

[crandc]

If these anti maskers needed surgery, would they want surgical team to wear masks as usual? Or dispense with them and breathe germs into open wound?
Make America septic again!

 

[beast blazer]

That is for airborne virus . COVID is spread as much or more via droplets as airborne.

So any mask that prevents or impedes droplets from entering your mouth reduces transmission rates.

COVID is an airborne virus. You just admitted you are wrong with our realizing it.

 

[beast blazer]

If these anti maskers needed surgery, would they want surgical team to wear masks as usual? Or dispense with them and breathe germs into open wound?
Make America septic again!

If you don't believe a chain link fence will keep wasps out of your yard, you're an anti fencer.

 

[Phatguysrule]

COVID is an airborne virus. You just admitted you are wrong with our realizing it.

It is both airborne AND droplet spread. Therefore anything that reduces contact with droplets also reduces the potential for infection.

 

[beast blazer]

It is both airborne AND droplet spread. Therefore anything that reduces contact with droplets also reduces the potential for infection.

The virus still gets into the air and can remain airborne for quite awhile. So even if someone were infected but "asymptomatic", the mask is doing nothing.

It would catch a sneeze, but droplets are safer in the sense that they fall to the ground. The whole mask thing was a lie.

 

[beast blazer]

When Fauci said masks weren't effective, he was repeating the known science. He even admitted to this in a private email that was FOIAd. Masks were just a way to ramp up fear, and to get people to take his shot. "If you get vaccinated, you get to go outside with no mask boys and girls"

 

[Phatguysrule]

When Fauci said masks weren't effective, he was repeating the known science. He even admitted to this in a private email that was FOIAd. Masks were just a way to ramp up fear, and to get people to take his shot. "If you get vaccinated, you get to go outside with no mask boys and girls"
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Your pictures aren't reliable evidence of anything...

UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND Study shows N95 masks near-perfect at blocking escape of airborne COVID-19

Study finds all masks effective, but “duckbill” N95 masks far outperform others, suggests they should be the standard in high-risk settings

COLLEGE PARK, Md. – In a head-to-head comparison of masks worn by people with active COVID-19, the inexpensive “duckbill” N95 came out on top, stopping 98% of COVID-19 particles in the breath of infected people from escaping into the air. Led by researchers from the University of Maryland School of Public Health (SPH), results showed other masks also performed well, blocking at least 70% of viral particles from escaping from the source – an infected person’s exhaled breath.