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magnifier661 said:
I definitely agree. I do give him some benefit. There hasn't been an Administration that has been attacked as much as the Trump Administration. It's not even close.

And yes, the Obama Administration was attacked a lot, but not by the main stream media.
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and why do you think that is? Maybe because trump blows so much bull shit that it's so easy to prove wrong? Maybe it's because he attacks the media over every and any thing that suggests he is lying and/or not doing a good job? trump offers so much fuel for his detractors that it's like shooting ducks in a barrel.

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I think “TDS” is a snarky acronym for a common tendency by people on both ends of the political spectrum to make assumptions that whatever a political adversary says or does is wrong, misguided, and/or downright evil. These assumptions are based more on the messenger than the message. I think we see an example of that throughout the media and on this board in comments about hydroxychloroquine. Trump, irresponsibly by most any scientific perspective, touted the drug as a potential game changer in the COVID-19 battle. Now, if you’re liberal you have to take the position that it’s crap, and if you’re a Repub you have to be all in on it as a panacea being unjustly denied to the masses by stodgy FDA rules. Crazy.

Here is a good article in the WSJ on the drug, including some theories as to why it might actually be beneficial, as well as risks associated with its use. Scientific testing is underway to assess its effectiveness. Until they are completed, it’s just a potential treatment that may or may not work. I don’t think being an elephant or a donkey will have much effect on the outcome.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ws...oronavirus-with-antimalarial-drug-11586629801
 
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Chris Craig said:
Thanks for proving me right


Emergency use has been "approved" when clinical trials are not available....they are fast tracking it...

Chloroquine phosphate that is not approved by FDA for any indication.7

They are making an exception to allow it to be used.
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LMAO! Did you even read the US CODE they were referencing?

The FDA acknowledges a possible health benefit, suggests using it mainly for clinical trials (I agree), but can be used as an "off label" treatment, as long as it's prescribed by the physician to their patient.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/360bbb-3

My statement is that the FDA approval for "off label use." Dr Steven Hahn, Commissioner of FDA clearly said the FDA supports the doctors to discuss the benefits and risk to the patients and the doctor then prescribing it "off label."

Nothing contradicts my initial statement.
 
Chris Craig said:
Thanks for proving me right


Emergency use has been "approved" when clinical trials are not available....they are fast tracking it...

Chloroquine phosphate that is not approved by FDA for any indication.7

They are making an exception to allow it to be used.
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Doctors don't need an exception.
Any drug that's approved for any use can be prescribed by a doctor for anything that the doctor wants to prescribe it for. That's how Interferon was given to me back in the mid 70s. People might not like it but it's perfectly legal.
Now chloroquine phosphate has been prescribed for my Aunt who has rheumatoid arthritis. She's hoping that it will have the side effect of protecting her from Covid19 coronavirus.
 
magnifier661 said:
LMAO! Did you even read the US CODE they were referencing?

The FDA acknowledges a possible health benefit, suggests using it mainly for clinical trials (I agree), but can be used as an "off label" treatment, as long as it's prescribed by the physician to their patient.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/360bbb-3

My statement is that the FDA approval for "off label use." Dr Steven Hahn, Commissioner of FDA clearly said the FDA supports the doctors to discuss the benefits and risk to the patients and the doctor then prescribing it "off label."

Nothing contradicts my initial statement.
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It has not gone through the entire process of approval by the FDA, that is all I am saying. They are allowing it's use on "emergency basis." Off label means they haven't had the time to fully test it, that it hasn't gone through thr full process of approval. It is a special circumstance.

That said, I also hope it does work. If it saves lives I'm all for it. There have been some reports of it working. But, those cases seem to be far and few in between.
 
magnifier661 said:
I believe the retweet was more focused on Fauci saying, “The virus was not a threat at the end of February.”

Trump already has that enemy you speak of, which is why he is doing the daily briefings. He gets to pound on that enemy every day, unscripted.
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And on the 937th day...... he has RISEN!!!!!!!!! HE HAS RETURRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNED!

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Chris Craig said:
It has not gone through the entire process of approval by the FDA, that is all I am saying. They are allowing it's use on "emergency basis." Off label means they haven't had the time to fully test it, that it hasn't gone through thr full process of approval. It is a special circumstance.

That said, I also hope it does work. If it saves lives I'm all for it. There have been some reports of it working. But, those cases seem to be far and few in between.
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YES! We agree on something! See, open dialogue is healthy.
 
magnifier661 said:
YES! We agree on something! See, open dialogue is healthy.
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all of us should be in agreeance on hoping the medicine works. I don't think that is in question. Anyone would be remiss not to desire it to save lives, despite Trumps involvement with the drug.

I do agree, open dialogue is healthy
 
@magnifier661 is like a hot chic you are madly in love with until you find out she hasn’t seen any of the Star Wars or Indiana Jones movies. He is such a cool guy until you find out he supports Trump.
Oh well, good to have you back FAMS! Missed you and hope your family is all safe down there in the desert!
 
Chris Craig said:
all of us should be in agreeance on hoping the medicine works. I don't think that is in question. Anyone would be remiss not to desire it to save lives, despite Trumps involvement with the drug.

I do agree, open dialogue is healthy
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But, some on here say they hope Trump gets the Virus. How will he be able to save lives if he is in isolation?

Because if he caused lives to die, then he is also causing lives to live if this works, correct?


Sorry bro. I couldnt resist. :)
 
Orion Bailey said:
But, some on here say they hope Trump gets the Virus. How will he be able to save lives if he is in isolation?

Because if he caused lives to die, then he is also causing lives to live if this works, correct?


Sorry bro. I couldnt resist. :)
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I have heard that sentiment. I have not shared it. Despite, my dislike for Trump I wouldn't wish the virus on anyone. That said, wishing Trump to get said virus is not the same as wishing the medicine not to work and innocent lives being lost.

He can work from isolation. Most everyone else already is. In fact Trump in isolation might be aggreable.

He has cost a lot of lives with his inaction. Though Hydroxycholoroquine may and I hope does save a lot of lives, it won't male up for the ones lost.

I don't get your logic. He is causing lives to live by causing lives to die?

Wait, are you agreeing he caused lives to die by his inactions, but also maintaining he is causing lives to live through hawking Hydroxycholroquine? One doesn't cancel out the other.
 
magnifier661 said:
This is true, but we can all agree that there aren't many drugs more vetted than this one. There is a lot of toxicology, side effect knowledge, and understanding of this medication.
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There is a lot of knowledge about it's side effects and toxicology as it pertains to Malaria, Lupus, and Arthritis. We still don't fully understand how it reacts to Covid-19 and what the side effects are as it pertains to this new virus.

And again, I hope it works
 
Chris Craig said:
I have heard that sentiment. I have not shared it. Despite, my dislike for Trump I wouldn't wish the virus on anyone. That said, wishing Trump to get said virus is not the same as wishing the medicine not to work and innocent lives being lost.

He can work from isolation. Most everyone else already is. In fact Trump in isolation might be aggreable.

He has cost a lot of lives with his inaction. Though Hydroxycholoroquine may and I hope does save a lot of lives, it won't male up for the ones lost.

I don't get your logic. He is causing lives to live by causing lives to die?

Wait, are you agreeing he caused lives to die by his inactions, but also maintaining he is causing lives to live through hawking Hydroxycholroquine? One doesn't cancel out the other.
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i disagree with the “He” caused anything to begin with. There was no concensus to follow and information was conflicting.
If he had shut it down and nothing came of it, people would have said he ruined the economy.

Regarding lives,

I'm saying that if those who imply he caused deaths with inaction, then they should hold ground and say he is now saving lives due to promoting a potential cure.
What I'm saying is that it matters not the situation or the outcome. Some will blame him for anything and everything.

hind site is 20/20 but it seems today everyone can see the future and expect the president to do the same.


What I'm saying is i prefer discussions aBout facts and realities, rather than opinions aNd sensationalism, when it comes to political debates.

when the right is proposed to providing links, its usually done, or even offered without a request. When some on the other side are asked, “ you are a smart man, do your own research...” is the typical response...

its comical.


Like tiger king was comical.
 
Lanny said:
Doctors don't need an exception.
Any drug that's approved for any use can be prescribed by a doctor for anything that the doctor wants to prescribe it for. That's how Interferon was given to me back in the mid 70s. People might not like it but it's perfectly legal.
Now chloroquine phosphate has been prescribed for my Aunt who has rheumatoid arthritis. She's hoping that it will have the side effect of protecting her from Covid19 coronavirus.
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She should ask her doctor about zinc and how much she can take if any.
 
Trump is the least important element in the fight against this global pandemic....he will continue to blab and politicize the issue looking for praise. Same old script. Fortunately there are people who know what they're dealing with that are trying to stem this thing....being late to the game because of poll numbers is on our leadership but that's ancient history at this point....we need to support our medical professionals with all we've got now. I read the Lego toy company is now making face shields and masks...a lot of groups are trying to turn it around at least
 
"There isn't any iceberg.
There was an iceberg but it's in a totally different ocean.
The iceberg is in this ocean but it will melt very soon.
There is an iceberg but we didn't hit the iceberg.
We hit the iceberg, but the damage will be repaired very shortly.
The iceberg is a Chinese iceberg.
We are taking on water but every passenger who wants a lifeboat can get a lifeboat, and they are beautiful lifeboats.
Look, passengers need to ask nicely for the lifeboats if they want them.
We don't have any lifeboats, we're not lifeboat distributors.
Passengers should have planned for icebergs and brought their own lifeboats.
I really don't think we need that many lifeboats.
We have lifeboats and they're supposed to be our lifeboats, not the passengers' lifeboats.
The lifeboats were left on shore by the last captain of this ship.
Nobody could have foreseen the iceberg."
 
Orion Bailey said:
i disagree with the “He” caused anything to begin with. There was no concensus to follow and information was conflicting.
If he had shut it down and nothing came of it, people would have said he ruined the economy.

Regarding lives,

I'm saying that if those who imply he caused deaths with inaction, then they should hold ground and say he is now saving lives due to promoting a potential cure.
What I'm saying is that it matters not the situation or the outcome. Some will blame him for anything and everything.

hind site is 20/20 but it seems today everyone can see the future and expect the president to do the same.


What I'm saying is i prefer discussions aBout facts and realities, rather than opinions aNd sensationalism, when it comes to political debates.

when the right is proposed to providing links, its usually done, or even offered without a request. When some on the other side are asked, “ you are a smart man, do your own research...” is the typical response...

its comical.


Like tiger king was comical.
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Trump was told this was coming he was warned and he ignored those warnings. He cost lives. He in fact wanted to let the virus just sweep over the country and let those who would die, die.

You make a moot argument. To say what if nothing happened, when it did happen, in worse case scenario fashion I might add.

But, lets make the argument for the hell of it. If he had taken action and nothing happened, he would still get flak, but he could at least been a president of action, he could have acted to save the people he represents. There is no shame in that.

There is shame in not acting and causing people to die.

Maybe he has saved some lives by promoting the medicine, and perhaps will save more. It is yet to be seen. It doesn't make up for the lives he has already cost.
 
Minstrel said:
"There isn't any iceberg.
There was an iceberg but it's in a totally different ocean.
The iceberg is in this ocean but it will melt very soon.
There is an iceberg but we didn't hit the iceberg.
We hit the iceberg, but the damage will be repaired very shortly.
The iceberg is a Chinese iceberg.
We are taking on water but every passenger who wants a lifeboat can get a lifeboat, and they are beautiful lifeboats.
Look, passengers need to ask nicely for the lifeboats if they want them.
We don't have any lifeboats, we're not lifeboat distributors.
Passengers should have planned for icebergs and brought their own lifeboats.
I really don't think we need that many lifeboats.
We have lifeboats and they're supposed to be our lifeboats, not the passengers' lifeboats.
The lifeboats were left on shore by the last captain of this ship.
Nobody could have foreseen the iceberg."
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"I was the first to call it an iceberg
When the ship rises again it will be beautiful
All the passengers want to get back on the ship
I didn't give the abandon ship order but I can command everyone to get back on board"

barfo
 
Trump won't listen to medical nor scientific experts on Covid-19.

Trump owns this failure, it is all on him.
 
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