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wizenheimer said:
Australia 19,383
Russia 18,649
Canada 17,741
Belgium 16,313
USA 15,624
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it would seem that even with our large metro areas in this country we are behind australia, canada and russia, countries with a significant rural populations.

1. China 1,394,015,977 6. Nigeria 214,028,302
2. India 1,326,093,247 7. Brazil 211,715,973
3. United States 332,639,102 8. Bangladesh 162,650,853
4. Indonesia 267,026,366 9. Russia 141,722,205
5. Pakistan 233,500,636 10. Mexico 128,649,565
this is a list of countries by population so even a comparison to russia is a scale of 2-1. and no one trusts china's data. it would seem also that as a nation as technically advanced and rich as USA compared to any of the others in the top 10 would be flawed or at least skewed in the numbers. our advanced healthcare resources aught to leave any of the others far in the dust i would hope.
 
lawai'a said:
it would seem that even with our large metro areas in this country we are behind australia, canada and russia, countries with a significant rural populations.

1. China 1,394,015,977 6. Nigeria 214,028,302
2. India 1,326,093,247 7. Brazil 211,715,973
3. United States 332,639,102 8. Bangladesh 162,650,853
4. Indonesia 267,026,366 9. Russia 141,722,205
5. Pakistan 233,500,636 10. Mexico 128,649,565
this is a list of countries by population so even a comparison to russia is a scale of 2-1. and no one trusts china's data. it would seem also that as a nation as technically advanced and rich as USA compared to any of the others in the top 10 would be flawed or at least skewed in the numbers. our advanced healthcare resources aught to leave any of the others far in the dust i would hope.
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New Zealand and Australia have done a way better job containing the virus than we have in the States
 
magnifier661 said:
I’m curious what our tests per million in NY, CA and NJ. I think this is an unfair metric because our population is so vast in comparison. India, Indonesia, and China would be in the same field. How are we compared to them?
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the tests/1 million for nations can be found here:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

all the categories appear to be sort-able

India is at the bottom, but they are, if not a 3rd world country, barely a 2nd world country with 4 times our population. Not a good comp. China's numbers can't be trusted. Russia is probably a good comp, and they are beating the USA testing rate while having less than a 1000 dead....that's probably not a accurate number but the difference is so stark it makes for a good comp...maybe

the state data is found here:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

again, those are sort-able categories

for good comps, I think you probably need stick with industrialized 1st world nations. The main point being that even though we have a high number of tests in the USA, the testing rate is obviously too low to be able to set smart policy. Since this began, the US has been saddled with testing failure, and for the most part, we still are. That needs to change but from what I've read about the bottlenecks, it's a real challenge to get testing, and tracing, ahead of the curves. Until we can we're flying blind
 
wizenheimer said:
the tests/1 million for nations can be found here:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

all the categories appear to be sort-able

India is at the bottom, but they are, if not a 3rd world country, barely a 2nd world country with 4 times our population. Not a good comp. China's numbers can't be trusted. Russia is probably a good comp, and they are beating the USA testing rate while having less than a 1000 dead....that's probably not a accurate number but the difference is so stark it makes for a good comp...maybe

the state data is found here:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

again, those are sort-able categories

for good comps, I think you probably need stick with industrialized 1st world nations. The main point being that even though we have a high number of tests in the USA, the testing rate is obviously too low to be able to set smart policy. Since this began, the US has been saddled with testing failure, and for the most part, we still are. That needs to change but from what I've read about the bottlenecks, it's a real challenge to get testing, and tracing, ahead of the curves. Until we can we're flying blind
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Agreed, I’ll take a look.
 
riverman said:
From Christmas Eve until New Years first my wife got seriously ill and after caring for her I got the bug.....it was brutal flu...we now wonder if it was connected to the west coast wave of virus or if our flu survival helps with our immunity now. Some think the numbers here on the west coast are because of our winter flu season
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You guys may nave had it? My wife was sick in January with similar symptoms and I just had a head cold for a week.
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-may-be-impossible-to-produce-scientists-covid-2020-4?amp

Scientists fear the hunt for a coronavirus vaccine will fail and we will all have to live with the 'constant threat' of COVID-19
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this is the elephant in the room

if you can overlook, the partisan left wing nature of the website, there's a good write-up about the notions of immunity here:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ity-against-catching-COVID-19-again-and-again

and that's the worry: if being infected with Covid does not grant any long-term immunity to a large percentage of those recovered, there will be not real herd immunity. And that is a bad sign for creating vaccine immunity

flu kills 20,000-60,000 a year in US and that's when we have widely available, effective vaccines and flu carries a mortality rate of .1%, or less. If Covid's mortality rate is .7%-1.0% (or higher) and there are no effective vaccines, with immunity only weeks-months long, at best, and only that for part of those recovered, it could kill millions worldwide each year, and several hundred thousand in the US each year

that's a worst case though. I'd think even if a vaccine proves elusive, effective treatments will be developed
 
Stevenson said:
BTW, the anti-vaxxers sure are quiet now, aren't they?
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i just read that some of the protesters in Wisconsin were from those groups and are concerned about government force inoculations for the virus. the protester arrested in Meridian Idaho over park usage and some of the crowd around her protest were also members of an Idaho anti-vaxxer group.
 
wizenheimer said:
this is the elephant in the room

if you can overlook, the partisan left wing nature of the website, there's a good write-up about the notions of immunity here:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ity-against-catching-COVID-19-again-and-again

and that's the worry: if being infected with Covid does not grant any long-term immunity to a large percentage of those recovered, there will be not real herd immunity. And that is a bad sign for creating vaccine immunity

flu kills 20,000-60,000 a year in US and that's when we have widely available, effective vaccines and flu carries a mortality rate of .1%, or less. If Covid's mortality rate is .7%-1.0% (or higher) and there are no effective vaccines, with immunity only weeks-months long, at best, and only that for part of those recovered, it could kill millions worldwide each year, and several hundred thousand in the US each year

that's a worst case though. I'd think even if a vaccine proves elusive, effective treatments will be developed
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yup, mentioned this potentiality after recalling the promised HIV vaccine from our government in the 80's.
 
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riverman said:
New Zealand and Australia have done a way better job containing the virus than we have in the States
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Honestly my daily life has barely changed. I thankfully still have my job which (due to it being essential) I am required to attend. Public transport is less busy, and my weekly after work drinks with my mates is now via video chat instead of at a bar, they’re about the only differences.

Vanquish the Virus? Australia and New Zealand Aim to Show the Way

Thousands of miles from President Trump’s combative news briefings, a conservative leader in Australia and a progressive prime minister in New Zealand are steadily guiding their countries toward a rapid suppression of the coronavirus outbreak.

Both nations are now reporting just a handful of new infections each day, down from hundreds in March, and they are converging toward an extraordinary goal: completely eliminating the virus from their island nations.
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