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PtldPlatypus said:
Excellent data/graphs. I would hesitate to compare virtually any state to Oregon, because our numbers have been some of the best in the country. But the graph shows pretty clearly that Tennesse has--contrary to yankee's assertions--done a pretty decent job themselves of flattening their curve.

Again, to reiterate my initial post, not saying that I agree with their decision to open up restaurants, but their numbers don't at all indicate incompetence.
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PtldPlatypus said:
Again, to reiterate my initial post, not saying that I agree with their decision to open up restaurants, but their numbers don't at all indicate incompetence.
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Maybe you should go back and reread what has been said...I never once said anything about "incompetence", ...that was you alone. But if you like, feel free to show where I did.

All I said was Tennessee had not yet flattened the curve, and they certainly had not followed guidelines for reopening...I even provided the bar graph that clearly showed that though they had previously been doing well, they had a large 5 day in row spike and again had not followed guidelines of waiting 14 days to reopen.

You then arbitrarily claimed my graph was "baseless", which it wasn't because it only showed "new cases" and you pointed to only "new hospitalizations" at that time as the true barometer. And I then pointed out that it stands to reason that if new cases had once again spiked it would also mean that new hospitalizations would also eventually spike.
 
10% of 100 = 10

10% of 1000 = 100

Just because the second has a higher qty, doesn't mean there was an increase in the percentage...........


Math people.....
 
yankeesince59 said:
Maybe you should go back and reread what has been said...I never once said anything about "incompetence", ...that was you alone. But if you like, feel free to show where I did.
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Re-reading is a good recommendation. You might notice what I actually said about incompetence, which of us first responded to the other, and which assertions of yours I actually disputed.
 
Im all for addressing the virus in a govern way until we get a vaccine or therapy to treat. To put things in perspective with area's that we could have more control over, 647K people die each year from heart disease each year! 480 thousand die from smoking each year, that alone in over a million deaths each year! And if it was priority or a great cultural concern we have ways to flatten the curves there too.
Even drug overdose's each year should be enough to take drastic measures to address. If we could isolate people from smoking or drug use (and we could) think of the annual lives saved.
My own family doctor states that we'd have better control over other health hazards, if it were a priority and not a money maker for industries.
 
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lol, how many times are you going to post this same link in different threads? I guess desperate times call for desperate measures. Noticed you didn:t comment on my link about trump and epsteins fued that lead to their falling out. Didn't fit your agenda? :cleanup:
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
Re-reading is a good recommendation. You might notice what I actually said about incompetence, which of us first responded to the other, and which assertions of yours I actually disputed.
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You may have "disputed" my assertion, but you certainly did not disprove it.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Example using simple round numbers to show how an increased percentage of total cases form one day to the next does not always equate to an increased number of cases. IN fact the percent of new cases can decrease WHILE the total percent of all cases rises......This is deceiving and makes it look like the disease is still on the rise, when its actually on the decline.

Day 1:
Current positive cases per million = 10,000
Tested 1000 people, 100 positive results = 1% positive

Day 2:
Current positive cases per million = 10,100 = 1% increase from day 1.
Tested 10,000 people, 200 positive results = .5% positive, down from day 1 with increased testing

Day 3: Current positive cases per million = 10,300 = JUST under a 2% increase from Day 2.


See how the total positives have an increased percent from day 2 to day 3, however the actual percentage of new positive cases are declining?
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Who used "percentages"?
 
yankeesince59 said:
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Example using simple round numbers to show how an increased percentage of total cases form one day to the next does not always equate to an increased number of cases. IN fact the percent of new cases can decrease WHILE the total percent of all cases rises......This is deceiving and makes it look like the disease is still on the rise, when its actually on the decline.

Day 1:
Current positive cases per million = 10,000
Tested 1000 people, 100 positive results = 1% positive

Day 2:
Current positive cases per million = 10,100 = 1% increase from day 1.
Tested 10,000 people, 200 positive results = .5% positive, down from day 1 with increased testing

Day 3: Current positive cases per million = 10,300 = JUST under a 2% increase from Day 2.


See how the total positives have an increased percent from day 2 to day 3, however the actual percentage of new positive cases are declining?
 
Unless I'm missing the point...

Hoopguru said:
Im all for addressing the virus in a govern way until we get a vaccine or therapy to treat. To put things in perspective with area's that we could have more control over, 647K people die each year from heart disease each year!
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Not sure why the # of people who die from heart disease matters, it's not contagious. I can be sitting next to someone with heart disease, and they can cough, sneeze and spit on me all they want, I'm not catching it from them. Nor do I become a carrier of the disease and risk other people getting it from me, despite me not showing any signs.

480 thousand die from smoking each year,
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We have done something about that (banned smoking in public places/restaurants, etc), and it's not contagious/communicable. SMOKING the act is potentially dangerous to others, but someone smoking next to you won't cause you to get lung cancer. And most of the people who die from smoking do it to themselves.

that alone in over a million deaths each year! And if it was priority or a great cultural concern we have ways to flatten the curves there too.
Even drug overdose's each year should be enough to take drastic measures to address. If we could isolate people from smoking or drug use (and we could) think of the annual lives saved.
My own family doctor states that we'd have better control over other health hazards, if it were a priority and not a money maker for industries.
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I'm hoping I'm missing a bigger point here, and if so I apologize in advance. It's entirely possible I'm misunderstanding why you brought up non contagious diseases.

Yes, we could do a lot more for the health and well being of our country. But pointing out areas where we should be more diligent in with health care doesn't relate, since that's really an unrelated point in relation to Covid19.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Who used "percentages"?
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I just did, they all relate to the numbers. Its math.

Just because a total number increases, doesn't mean the total number of cases is actually increasing per million. It's all about how many are being tested vs how many turn up positive.
 
yankeesince59 said:
You may have "disputed" my assertion, but you certainly did not disprove it.
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Nor did I attempt to. I simply said that you provided very little evidence to support your claim that Tennessee hadn't flattened their curve at all.

@wizenheimer, however, did disprove your assertion quite thoroughly.
 
seems like 40 total patients would be too small a sample size to draw conclusions. Most testing of groups of such small sample sizes have been concluded as too small to be statistically significant to draw any conclusions from by the NIH.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Nor did I attempt to. I simply said that you provided very little evidence to support your claim that Tennessee hadn't flattened their curve at all.

@wizenheimer, however, did disprove your assertion quite thoroughly.
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No, read it again, you said my post was "baseless" and I clearly showed that it was. You were the one who pointed to "new hospitalizations" as the better barometer...I instead showed "new cases" which is part of the guidelines for reopening.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I just did, they all relate to the numbers. Its math.

Just because a total number increases, doesn't mean the total number of cases is actually increasing per million. It's all about how many are being tested vs how many turn up positive.
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But who were you responding to when you said "math people"?
 
Trump literally gave away his leadership role to governors during this pandemic. Trump could have shown leadership, but instead handed it off to others when the going got tough, then he sits back and decries fake news while bashing those same governors that he handed his power to.

In other words: Trump wussed out.
 
yankeesince59 said:
But who were you responding to when you said "math people"?
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Myself. And anyone else not understanding the numbers. I wouldn't have understood them either until. my current employment. Numbers come much easier to me now because of my career, where I know they may not come as easy or make as much sense to many others who don't have that specific experience.

But math doesn't lie. It might give false perceptions, like my example provided, but when broken down, the truth is always there.
 
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Road Ratt said:
Trump literally gave away his leadership role to governors during this pandemic. Trump could have shown leadership, but instead handed it off to others when the going got tough, then he sits back and decries fake news while bashing those same governors that he handed his power to.

In other words: Trump wussed out.
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In a way you could say he bone spurred up his response.
 
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