OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (3 Viewers)

[yankeesince59]

On or around March 15th. When the cases spiked.

EDIT: This is just for NYC though. But whenever that trend started with the spike in cases.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

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So when should Trump have acted?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So when should Trump have acted?

Trump?

Can Trump authorize such an action? I don't know the process here to enforce martial law within a city or state.

I do know some states faced lawsuits when threatened with merely identifying drivers from New York visiting.

 

[jonnyboy]

I could see in door shopping being a thing of the past.

Reading this as I peruse the grocery store.

 

[yankeesince59]

Trump?

Can Trump authorize such an action? I don't know the process here to enforce martial law within a city or state.

I do know some states faced lawsuits when threatened with merely identifying drivers from New York visiting.

Please, that has to be one of the worst dodges ever. Was Trump late in taking action or not?...of course he was, so again, my question to you is when should he have taken serious action instead of being in denial?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Please, that has to be one of the worst dodges ever. Was Trump late in taking action or not?...of course he was, so again, my question to you is when should he have taken serious action instead of being in denial?

Its not a dodge, its a serious response to your question. In relation to New York/New Jersey, I'm not sure he had any authority to take the steps necessary to stop the outbreak without blowback from the local government.

You're talking about the whole coronavirus issue at hand, on the nationwide scale, which we beat to death already. Its a huge waste of fucking time.

Facts are coming in that 36% of the cases are concentrated in two states. Those regions are responsible for the spread across the United States, according to new data released today by the New York Times.


I'm tackling a certain, focused area of the United States.

 

[magnifier661]

Trump?

Can Trump authorize such an action? I don't know the process here to enforce martial law within a city or state.

I do know some states faced lawsuits when threatened with merely identifying drivers from New York visiting.

100% This. The President cannot force City or States to shut down or open.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1202261

Coronavirus found in patients' semen in small Chinese study

The study doesn't address whether the virus can be sexually transmitted, however.

 

[THE HCP]

Oregon appears to have implemented criteria for going through the gates and it appears to be working.
COVID-19 Weekly Report, May 5, 2020

Check out the case's by zip code.
I'd say we have as a State hit the 14 day decline in cases and hospitalizations. But certain area's are still more active than others and nursing homes represent over 50% of the deaths in this State.

According to zip codes, about 50 people in our neighborhood.

 

[Orion Bailey]

100% This. The President cannot force City or States to shut down or open.

But, pointing out facts is dodging....

not just dodging... the biggest dodge ever.....


https://nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/states-largely-have-authority-over-when-to-shut-down-reopen


Again.. Even if he DID have the power, why wouldn't we want shutdowns enforced based on regional issues? The needs of NY are not the same as the needs of ND....


The whole argument some are posing is just ridiculous first and not legal second.....

 

[Orion Bailey]

Hate is soooo blinding to the truths and realities of the world.......

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

According to zip codes, about 50 people in our neighborhood.

We've got 1.

#knocksonwood

 

[BigGameDamian]

I wonder how many people will break the rules?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/05/coronavirus-in-oregon-governor-kate-brown-lays-out-the-road-to-reopening-public-life.html?outputType=amp

Oregon reopening starts May 15 under governor’s coronavirus plan

 

[Strenuus]

February 12, 2020: https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/02/12/campaign-to-support-chinatown-amid-coronavirus-fears/


March 2, 2020: https://www.govtech.com/em/safety/A...-in-New-York-Gov-Cuomo-Urges-Deep-Breath.html


March 2, 2020: Bill Di Blasio tells New Yorkers to go out in town.


March 5, 2020: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-cases.html
Mayor tells New Yorkers not to change their behavior.

Senior Centers were mandated by the State to take in Covid-19 patients.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...home-forced-take-recovering-patients-n1191811
and they just added an additional 1,700 new deaths from nursing homes.
https://time.com/5832141/new-york-nursing-home-death-toll/

Yeah, my head is spinning

Can you accept, then, that Trump is handling this terribly? Not wearing masks, blaming all of it on others, his lack of response, and that's just the beginning.

There is equal blame to go around.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

'It's their own fault': HHS Secretary Alex Azar says meat processing workers' 'home and social conditions' are to blame for rapid spread of coronavirus - not their working conditions

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-social-conditions-caused-spread-corona.html

 

[Strenuus]

'It's their own fault': HHS Secretary Alex Azar says meat processing workers' 'home and social conditions' are to blame for rapid spread of coronavirus - not their working conditions

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-social-conditions-caused-spread-corona.html

Good lord.

Why did this have to happen during the worst administration ever created (and fired, and fired, and fired, and fired, and fired, and fired, and fired, and stole, and lied, and lied, and lied, and embezzled, and lied, and went to jail, and went to jail, and lied, and lied, and lied, and lied, and lied, and lied, and went to jail, and got impeached, and lied, and lied, and lied, and lied, and lied, and stole, and stole, and stole, and stole, and lied, and lied, and lied, and lied, and lied, and lied, and lied)?

 

[magnifier661]

Can you accept, then, that Trump is handling this terribly? Not wearing masks, blaming all of it on others, his lack of response, and that's just the beginning.

There is equal blame to go around.

In hindsight yes. It's very easy to look back and pick apart mistakes. All sides made some pretty big ones.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[yankeesince59]

Its not a dodge, its a serious response to your question. In relation to New York/New Jersey, I'm not sure he had any authority to take the steps necessary to stop the outbreak without blowback from the local government.

You're talking about the whole coronavirus issue at hand, on the nationwide scale, which we beat to death already. Its a huge waste of fucking time.

Facts are coming in that 36% of the cases are concentrated in two states. Those regions are responsible for the spread across the United States, according to new data released today by the New York Times.


I'm tackling a certain, focused area of the United States.

lol...it's only a waste of time to you because dropped the ball period...and yeah, I read the papers...NY/NJ have the most cases/deaths...in other news, water is wet and salt water is salty.

And yes, it is in fact a dodge on your part because you've still failed to acknowledge that Trump was weeks late in doing anything meaningful.



So in typical fashion, his followers deflect attention to something else.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

lol...it's only a waste of time to you because dropped the ball period...and yeah, I read the papers...NY/NJ have the most cases/deaths...in other news, water is wet and salt water is salty.

And yes, it is in fact a dodge on your part because you've still failed to acknowledge that Trump was weeks late in doing anything meaningful.

So in typical fashion, his followers deflect attention to something else.

I gave a date to impose harsh restrictions on the NY/NJ area, around March 15th when the cases spiked up.

What's your date? What is "anything meaningful"?

You are fishing for an answer which won't meet your personal standards of acceptability. Any answer I give, you're going to disagree with anyway. That's the definition of close-mindedness.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[yankeesince59]

I gave a date to impose harsh restrictions on the NY/NJ area, around March 15th when the cases spiked up.

What's your date? What is "anything meaningful"?

You are fishing for an answer which won't meet your personal standards of acceptability. Any answer I give, you're going to disagree with anyway. That's the definition of close-mindedness.

You're assuming how I will react to your answer if you'll ever FINALLY give it. And quit clouding up the question, because it was VERY simple;

Was Trump late in taking the virus seriously and taking action, yes or no?...see, I even made it simpler for you.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You're assuming how I will react to your answer if you'll ever FINALLY give it. And quit clouding up the question, because it was VERY simple;

Was Trump late in taking the virus seriously and taking action, yes or no?...see, I even made it simpler for you.

I'll answer even though it isn't related to the NY/NJ thing.

The answer is no.

He took bold action by China and European travel restrictions in the face of claims of xenophobia. Doubt anyone else would have been so bold to do so.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/...s-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus/

 

[Shaboid]

I'll answer even though it isn't related to the NY/NJ thing.

The answer is no.

He took bold action by China and European travel restrictions in the face of claims of xenophobia. Doubt anyone else would have been so bold to do so.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/...s-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus/

This thread should be posted in a "TRIGGERED" thread, just a prediction.

 

[tester551]

Trump was weeks late.

So was everyone other political leader.

 

[yankeesince59]

I'll answer even though it isn't related to the NY/NJ thing.

The answer is no.

He took bold action by China and European travel restrictions in the face of claims of xenophobia. Doubt anyone else would have been so bold to do so.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/...s-decisive-actions-to-combat-the-coronavirus/

Just so my meaning won't get lost or misconstrued, ....ahem,....bull fucking shit.


Again;

tps://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/14/what-trump-said-did-coronavirus-186464

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...coronavirus-response-is-increasingly-damning/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/20/what-trump-did-about-coronavirus-february/

 

[yankeesince59]

So was everyone other political leader.

ummm....No.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-52570600

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[BigGameDamian]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/05/07/senate-reopen-coronavirus-243536

'Not nearly enough' coronavirus testing to safely reopen, Senate health chair says

Millions more coronavirus tests will be needed to safely reopen the country, the chairman of the Senate HELP Committee said at a hearing Thursday.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.businessinsider.com/nor...opening-plans-and-what-will-change-2020-5?amp

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