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CupWizier said:
You chose some words in your posts that were factually wrong and posters corrected you on that. We have not eradicated this virus and in fact we are far from it. Rather than enter a discussion you start attacking back and blaming everyone else. And no, you aren't the ONLY person that admits you are part of the issue and in fact, I often see you trying to dictate what should and shouldn't be allowed in the forum. You bring a lot on by your words and actions
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CupWizier said:
I have no interest in getting into it with you, but you seemed have taken issue with my post by claiming the covid has been eradicated. Do you know what that word even means?
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Minstrel said:
Most people seem to be able to have reasonable discussions here. If you're the only one who feels he can't, you might have to look at yourself. I've told friends of mine this before, but when the problem always seems to involve you and the other person keeps changing, there may be something about yourself that you need to address.
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MInstrel?
@Strenuus
@SlyPokerDog
@Chris Craig

Can I point out my issues with conversing with certain people here? Read above. The first quote is 100% false. Twice. I never said anything about eradication. I also never attacked anyone. I just left the cricket post go and laughed... which offended some apparently, who defend such hypocritical behavior. AT THAT POINT is when I started returning fire.

There are a couple of people who post all day and all night and flood every conversation with their opinion and try to push out anyone who disagrees... most anyone. And uses lies to do so(See above)

Now I understand the call to use the ignore, and that's a 100% on me.

But how do you expect people to have conversations when there are blatant false accusations that no one else here will step in and refute? SO the person being falsely accused, feels the need to defend what he said? Because no one else involved will say.. whoa... he didn't say that and cut the lies off?

Just the latest example I just quoted above.

I never once said anything about anything being eradicated ,yet here is Cup saying I made a false claim that it had been irradiated... twice.

Of course i'm going to be frustrated as the conversation continues, if people cant be honest and blatantly make shit up and NO ONE IN THE FORUM STEPS UP AND CALLS THE BLUFF.

This happens on a regular basis.

maybe if more people actually stood up for the truth and condemned people here making blatant false accusations, the defendant wouldn't feel the need to do it himself so often.

But instead, this type of conversing is allowed and seems to be the favored style and i'm saying if that's the case, you will soon have nothing but one common voice coming from a few people and everyone else will move on....just like Olive.

SOOO many people see the pattern developing and as mods you are defending those making it happen and condemning those putting up a fight.

@Minstrel I have really only had issues with three people here. HCP, Yank and Cup. HCP is a completely different situation where we both share some blame, but as you can see, we don't fight daily.

If it were my issue, id still be fighting with him all the time, but that was an isolated case.

With regards to yank and cup, its the smothering they give this place 24/7 in every thread ridiculing people who disagree with them. I have had many good conversations and made some good friends from here too, so the insinuation that its just me and no one else with the issue, I do not agree with at all. I just dont walk away and leave the forum like many. I push the conflict in hopes that those in charge will see the truth of whats going on here. ( In this instance I didnt even push shit. Just tried to have an up and up convo, trying once again to give cup the benefit of the doubt and trying to turn the corner)

I get it. people wont change.. but then you guys want me to change, like I want others to change. That's kinda hypocritical too isnt it?


I know you mods get more complaints about this than you let on in public. But the fact is the rules in place combined with the style of a couple of posters is going to plague this place out and all you will have will be 6-10 people agreeing on everything.

I don't think that's what you want, but I have talked to enough people to know its a real possibility. If you guys choose to ignore the complaints and cater to this type of behavior, then there is no one to blame, me, cup anyone if/when this happens.

Ignore only goes so far and you guys know this.

Mags put cup on ignore because he couldn't stand the banging his head on the wall of hypocrisy. If you notice now, his conversations have wound down a bit. I'm pretty sure its because with ignoring cup and possibly yank, half the posts in threads go away and one cant follow convos, so you one doesnt get involved. Not speaking for him, but i've tried it and it happened to me.

Ignore works great if the person being ignored is just a normal poster, but when they live on this board with nothing else in their life but an agenda to get over on the next poster who has a differing opinion, it doesn't work so well.
Cup claiming some sort of victory over this with Mags is hilarious to me btw. lol


Anyhow, I would have sent this in a DM, but cant send a DM to more than one person anymore(not sure why that change,d but its pretty stupid IMO).

Ive never denied my involvement in the conflicts and take 100% responsibility for my actions and statements. But my actions and statements have always been aimed at trying to create a more constructive, peaceable environment, and your guys' condemnation of that in the face of supporting their behavior, is really compelling.

Take a look at the daily post counts. See who tops the list day after day. Im 99% sure who leads the charge. Then try to picture putting them on ignore and how conversations would look like with every third post gone. Ive tried it. IT doesn't work as well as you think if you still want to be an active participant in conversations.


And lastly @Minstrel if you don't think political alignments have a factor in how people are treated, you are also mistaken. This is a very liberal forum, so the few conservatives who voice their opinion get ganged up on by the masses... but then its the conservative who has the issue, when he pushes back? I hope you see that's a pattern as well. There are some conservative posters, but most avoid the politics because they are smarter than I and understand how biased this place can be.

Now. You can continue to condemn the minority who try to speak up and push for fairness and the truth, or you can continue to support those who twist words around, make false claims about false claims(that one is hiliarous) and simply are incapable of having a mature discussion with someone who may not agree with them on everything.

If you clearly read the conversation through from the moment I quoted cup and agreed and stated that we accomplished the goal he mentioned and how it went from there, you will see I didn't initiate any conflict. Made a comment and when it was responded to, I then asked an agree or disagree question. I wasn't trying to start anything other than just have a decent convo.

@Minstrel Are you claiming that its my conversation style in this issue that is the problem and everyone else was perfectly fine?

You can reply in DM if you like. I know having these discussions in public really ruffles some people feathers around here....
 
CupWizier said:
lol, the dude definitely woke up early to get it off his chest. Poor fella. I hope he doesn't have a breakdown on this forum.
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@SlyPokerDog
@Minstrel
@Chris Craig

Its this kinda shit here that goes on all day every day. Its this kinda shit that's ruining the forum for so many. Its this kinda shit that makes me want to defend and argue against this complete BS post trying to ridicule me , but yet again, not taking ownership of his own involvement in derailing of anything.

You guys support this?

If you guys do not speak up and condemn him for these types of posts the same you do as mine, then its clearly obvious what you guys want out of this forum. Please give me a clear answer on this. It will help me in my future direction of involvement here.

You guys tell me to ignore him...

Why not tell him to ignore me too? See He cant stop commenting about me either. There was a time he was chasing me around hanging on my every post and you guys didn't day shit and then got mad at m for finally saying enough of this bullshit.

Orrr... you can come down on m for this post while not saying a word about the other and how it isn't constructive either.

If you are going to allow some people to play bullshit games around here, you shouldn't condemn those who point out issues with the game.
 
Shaboid said:
You dudes definitely woke up early to rebut. Not saying any of you are fools but FFS, can we just keep a thread on topic?!
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Ive asked for it to go to DM, to try to avoid another day of BS, and I noted why I didn't start in the DM.

I woke up early cause I have carpet being laid at 8AM so I needed to get some stuff done super early this morning and I got done quickly. :)


I 100% agree. Ive said my peace and asked it to continue in DM if it does and will break off of the thread conversing on this.

Back on topic.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
 
Reported Covid-19 cases around the world reached 5 million on Thursday as some countries begin easing strict social distancing guidelines and look to reopen their economies, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

The number of reported cases worldwide hit 5,000,038 and the global death toll now stands at 328,172, according to Hopkins.
 
Shaboid said:
Reported Covid-19 cases around the world reached 5 million on Thursday as some countries begin easing strict social distancing guidelines and look to reopen their economies, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

The number of reported cases worldwide hit 5,000,038 and the global death toll now stands at 328,172, according to Hopkins.
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15%. Thats huge.

What do you think the numbers of unreported cases might be at? Double?
 
Orion Bailey said:
15%. Thats huge.

What do you think the numbers of unreported cases might be at? Double?
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Not sure where you are getting the 15% figure from..

As far as unreported cases, you would have to ask Dr. Johnny Hopkins for that. I have no idea.
 
Shaboid said:
Not sure where you are getting the 15% figure from..

As far as unreported cases, you would have to ask Dr. Johnny Hopkins for that. I have no idea.
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328,172 of 5,000,038 is roughly 15%.

I was just asking your thoughts on it. I find wild variations when trying to find anything on unreported cases, of course its all hypothetical. Just curious of your thoughts on how many more may actually be infected.
 
Orion Bailey said:
328,172 of 5,000,038 is roughly 15%.

I was just asking your thoughts on it. I find wild variations when trying to find anything on unreported cases, of course its all hypothetical. Just curious of your thoughts on how many more may actually be infected.
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That is why I wasn't even going to give an estimate. How the heck would I know.

You may want to flip your numerator and denominator though...
 
Shaboid said:
That is why I wasn't even going to give an estimate. How the heck would I know.

You may want to flip your numerator and denominator though...
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LOL. oops. failed to hit the percent on my Ti 30Xa.

Im not asking if you know, just what your thought is. I think its probably at least quadruple.
 
So, if we tag someone multiple times in a thread, do they get notified multiple times?
 
What would have happened if we had effective, quick acting leadership?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.15.20103655v1.full.pdf

The counterfactual simulations indicate that had observed control measures been adopted one week earlier, the US would have avoided 703,975 (95% CI: 624,923- 773,388) [61.6% (54.6%-67.7%)] confirmed cases and 35,927 (30,088-40,638) [55.0% (46.1%-62.2%)] deaths nationwide as of May 3, 2020 (Fig. 2a-b). In the New York metropolitan area, the epicenter of COVID-19 in the US, 209,987 (183,607-223,199) [80.0% (70.0%-85.0%)] confirmed cases and 17,514 (15,293-18,878) [80.3% (70.2%- 86.6%)] deaths would have been avoided if the same sequence of interventions had been applied one week earlier (Fig. 2c-d). A more pronounced control effect would have been achieved had the sequence of control measures occurred two weeks earlier: a reduction of 960,937 (900,114-1,011,498) [84.0% (78.7%-88.4%)] cases and 53,990 (49,688-57,186) [82.7% (76.1%-87.6%)] deaths in the US (Fig. 2e-f), and 246,082 (234,645-252,281) [93.8% (89.4%-96.2%)] cases and 20,427 (19,380-21,093) [93.7% (88.9%-96.7%)] deaths in the New York metropolitan area (Fig. 2g-h). These dramatic reductions of morbidity and mortality due to more timely deployment of control measures highlights the critical need for aggressive, early response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
 
Orion Bailey said:
LOL. oops. failed to hit the percent on my Ti 30Xa.

Im not asking if you know, just what your thought is. I think its probably at least quadruple.
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It could be x2 it could be x50. I wouldn't know how to even estimate that. Hell, I've been staying home as much as possible and I could have had it and not known.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Here is the real pandemic in my opinion.


https://www.nbcnews.com/business/ec...-almost-40-million-people-lost-their-n1211886


Again, I'm not saying I ever was or am for now opening EVERYTHING up. But I do believe we closed too much down.
40 million people is more than the population of many countries. This is going to have years of impact and poverty is going to hit like never before.
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This is what I’m fearful of, people see either good news on the death rate or really bad news on jobs, which does suck don’t get me wrong, but then think “maybe we were overly cautious” when the only reason we have the numbers we have is because we went full lock down mode. The problem is companies firing people, govt needs to make sure they are doing what they can to curb these losses. Money.
 
Shaboid said:
It could be x2 it could be x50. I wouldn't know how to even estimate that. Hell, I've been staying home as much as possible and I could have had it and not known.
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I'm leaning that way. I think its spread to the vast majority of people already. Quadruple is my conservative side really.
 
calvin natt said:
This is what I’m fearful of, people see either good news on the death rate or really bad news on jobs, which does suck don’t get me wrong, but then think “maybe we were overly cautious” when the only reason we have the numbers we have is because we went full lock down mode. The problem is companies firing people, govt needs to make sure they are doing what they can to curb these losses. Money.
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Agreed. I think if it werent for watching alot of the aid go to corps and then still watching all the layoffs, its got me concerned on how all this will play out. Im of the opinion the lockdown didn't do as much and that the virus already sent a wave around prior to lockdown.

I think the lockdown(out of my ass) probably saved maybe 5% more deaths than we have had. I think the lockdown and impending poverty, could create more deaths than that 5%.
 
Ive read where many doctors, scientist, think a good perectage of people have already had it or are A systematic. Which would include kids and all ages. Those over 65 and seniors in nursing home are the most vulnerable and factually affected. Our priorities need to be addressing nursing homes, seniors with underlying conditions and getting kids back in school eventually. There is an argument amongst doctors that the resources and plans have not been foccused enough in these area's. Come on, I mean New York sending infected seniors back to nursing homes?
 
Hoopguru said:
Ive read where many doctors, scientist, think a good perectage of people have already had it or are A systematic. Which would include kids and all ages. Those over 65 and seniors in nursing home are the most vulnerable and factually affected. Our priorities need to be addressing nursing homes, seniors with underlying conditions and getting kids back in school eventually. There is an argument amongst doctors that the resources and plans have not been foccused enough in these area's. Come on, I mean New York sending infected seniors back to nursing homes?
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Exactly. We are using resources testing in other areas for example and my mother, in a facility with 6 deaths, has yet to be tested.

Not trying to pinpoint blame at the moment, but its pretty obvious a redirection of focus should have and probably still, needs to happen.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I'm leaning that way. I think its spread to the vast majority of people already. Quadruple is my conservative side really.
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Who knows. There is so much speculation and uncertainty in this air lately that I wouldn't even be able to make an estimate.
 
Hoopguru said:
Ive read where many doctors, scientist, think a good perectage of people have already had it or are A systematic. Which would include kids and all ages. Those over 65 and seniors in nursing home are the most vulnerable and factually affected. Our priorities need to be addressing nursing homes, seniors with underlying conditions and getting kids back in school eventually. There is an argument amongst doctors that the resources and plans have not been foccused enough in these area's. Come on, I mean New York sending infected seniors back to nursing homes?
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https://news.usc.edu/170565/covid-19-antibody-study-coronavirus-infections-los-angeles-county/
Coronavirus infections more widespread than expected in L.A. County
A newly published, USC-led study has confirmed that, though many more L.A. County residents had COVID-19 antibodies than previously thought, most people have not been infected.
The researchers estimate that approximately 4.65% of the county’s adult population has contracted the new coronavirus.As with all statistical estimates, there is a range of uncertainty or margin of error. The analysis suggests that the fraction of adults in Los Angeles who contracted the novel coronavirus could range from as low as 2.5% to just over 7%. The results verify preliminary results that had been released last month.Sood pointed out two important caveats: One, the results may have been skewed by an overrepresentation of people who experienced COVID-like symptoms in the past, potentially driving the number of positive tests up. Second, Sood emphasized that there’s not one infection rate for the state or for the entire country. Infection rates vary by geography, income, race, ethnicity and neighborhood.
 
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