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We had a public health expert give a seminar at work today ( i work in big pharma). He estimated that conventional flu vaccines are about 40% effective every year. He thinks the covid ones will be about twice as effective given the right dose.

But the startling fact to me was when he said that they are preparing for over 35% of the population not wanting to take any vaccines, and that they are already funding programs to educate and inform these idiot anti-vaxxers. He said the idea of herd immunity is impossible given the low efficacy prediction and the number of morons who won't take it.
is it crazy to not want to take a rushed vaccine? Normally it takes what two years to do all the testing to make sure it’s safe? Now this one will be ready in less than a year?

I’m not anti vaxxer but I am anti rushed vaxxer
 
We had a public health expert give a seminar at work today ( i work in big pharma). He estimated that conventional flu vaccines are about 40% effective every year. He thinks the covid ones will be about twice as effective given the right dose.

But the startling fact to me was when he said that they are preparing for over 35% of the population not wanting to take any vaccines, and that they are already funding programs to educate and inform these idiot anti-vaxxers. He said the idea of herd immunity is impossible given the low efficacy prediction and the number of morons who won't take it.

Will this education/information campaign include belittling people by calling them “idiots” and “morons”?

Perhaps you could help write the curriculum, or even be an instructor in a seminar?
 
is it crazy to not want to take a rushed vaccine? Normally it takes what two years to do all the testing to make sure it’s safe? Now this one will be ready in less than a year?

I’m not anti vaxxer but I am anti rushed vaxxer

Shut up and inject this hastily prepared vaccine directly into your bloodstream you conspiracy nut job.
 
Will this education/information campaign include belittling people by calling them “idiots” and “morons”?

Perhaps you could help write the curriculum, or even be an instructor in a seminar?
if i were a public health official or government employee, yes.
 

Despite risk of losing federal funds, state closes H-3 Freeway for another round of testing
The Federal Highway Administration said it was extremely concerned about precedent, safety issues, gathering of data and traffic.

they must be serious about less testing. after asking permission from the feds to set up the surge testing deemed necessary for our public health department to slow the outbreak on Oahu before the Labor Day weekend, they denied permission to use the federal H3 freeway as a testing site and threatened to cut off hiway funds if we did. our governor said do it anyway. an example of putting the publics' health ahead of any other political agenda.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/...d-testing-despite-risking-loss-federal-funds/
 
You wrote "I see the logic in wanting someone to actually live in the area they represent" - I pointed that this is factually NOT something I said, because the example I gave has nothing to do with where they live but where they might have been born a long time ago - so I told you you are not listening because you ignored a fact we were discussing, not because of your opinion.
I'm sorry. I would have sworn that you mentioned a requirement that they come from the United States. And I must have dreamed saying that they ought to be U.S. born because of an allegiance thingy and how that made sense. Would you knock this silly shit off?
I don't want someone telling me I can't vote for my preferred candidate because they have too much experience in the job. That just doesn't make sense to me.
The last time I favored term limits was when I was 16 and frankly, not too bright.
 
is it crazy to not want to take a rushed vaccine? Normally it takes what two years to do all the testing to make sure it’s safe? Now this one will be ready in less than a year?

I’m not anti vaxxer but I am anti rushed vaxxer
Thalidomide should have taught us that lesson.
 
I worked in drug development. The idea of rushing a vaccine without phase 3 is horrifying. It would only make sense for a treatment given to people with highly lethal disease like HIV, people who already had it and choice was take chances on drug before testing complete or die. A vaccine by definition is given to people who do not have the disease. This is a political announcement. However, Trump when not saying it will magically disappear has promised all kinds of things and never delivered.
 
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if i were a public health official or government employee, yes.

Thank god you’re not. It would be bad to have government officials with their hands in the pharmaceutical industry, there might be an opioid crisis or something :emotions:
 
Thank god you’re not. It would be bad to have a government officials with their hands in the pharmaceutical industry, there might be an opioid crisis or something :emotions:
Or there might be 190,000 less deaths.
 

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