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SlyPokerDog said:
OHSU has two drive up testing centers. You can go to either one and get tested.
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I've already been to the emergency room three times with serious nose bleeds that won't stop. My doctor told me not to get any test where they insert a swab up your nose.
 
Lanny said:
I've already been to the emergency room three times with serious nose bleeds that won't stop. My doctor told me not to get any test where they insert a swab up your nose.
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The test i took was through my mouth. They rubbed the back of my throat.
 
Lanny said:
i wonder if it amounts to the one Million victims that the virus has killed.
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I think his point is that he doesn't feel isolation is a good thing and that we shouldn't be responding to the virus in such a way?
 
I flew the other day from LA to Billings, MT with a stopover in Seattle.

Seattle was very busy. Everyone wearing masks, social distancing, not so much. Flights were still middle seat blocked, lower capacity I'd say about 60% (Alaska Airlines). I noticed more people seemed to be coughing. I think flying in the winter is going to be pretty nerve racking with lots of people coughing and planes going to more full capacities, gonna probably try to avoid holiday travel.

Out in Wyoming and MT, people were generally wearing masks. We were out in the boonies, at the grocery, a lot of customers that weren't old weren't wearing masks. The employees and the older people seemed to be at a higher rate. Went to the Buffalo Bill museum, about half the people there were wearing masks. It wasn't very crowded. Masks didn't seem required, but they provided them for free as well as having sanitizer.

Fiancee took a COVID test yesterday and it came back this AM negative (rapid test at UCLA since she works in the OR), so that's good at least. What they are doing at the hospital is a self-assessment on some website, and then it may refer you to have a test done.


https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/ucla-scientists-pioneer-covid-19-testing-technology

Not sure if that was the test she had, but she did the test at 2pm yesterday and the results were in at 7am.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
I flew the other day from LA to Billings, MT with a stopover in Seattle.

Seattle was very busy. Everyone wearing masks, social distancing, not so much. Flights were still middle seat blocked, lower capacity I'd say about 60% (Alaska Airlines). I noticed more people seemed to be coughing. I think flying in the winter is going to be pretty nerve racking with lots of people coughing and planes going to more full capacities, gonna probably try to avoid holiday travel.

Out in Wyoming and MT, people were generally wearing masks. We were out in the boonies, at the grocery, a lot of customers that weren't old weren't wearing masks. The employees and the older people seemed to be at a higher rate. Went to the Buffalo Bill museum, about half the people there were wearing masks. It wasn't very crowded. Masks didn't seem required, but they provided them for free as well as having sanitizer.

Fiancee took a COVID test yesterday and it came back this AM negative (rapid test at UCLA since she works in the OR), so that's good at least. What they are doing at the hospital is a self-assessment on some website, and then it may refer you to have a test done.


https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/ucla-scientists-pioneer-covid-19-testing-technology

Not sure if that was the test she had, but she did the test at 2pm yesterday and the results were in at 7am.
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insufficient info

I mean, from that I could say I know of a guy who flew from LA to Billings so he could visit the Buffalo Bill museum.

I'm assuming you had more reasons than just the museum to go to Billings?
 
wizenheimer said:
insufficient info

I mean, from that I could say I know of a guy who flew from LA to Billings so he could visit the Buffalo Bill museum.

I'm assuming you had more reasons than just the museum to go to Billings?
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oh, we visited her dad. Lives on a ranch, 7 horses, etc. I'm not personally comfortable with visiting elder relatives personally, but she is so with her family, so we went.
 
kjironman1 said:
I think his point is that he doesn't feel isolation is a good thing and that we shouldn't be responding to the virus in such a way?
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I know what he was aaying. The implication was that we should open up and go back to work thereby killing more of us. Yes,, the alternative is worse than the shutdown and isolation.
Me and my health care team have no choice. If I don't get my treatments, I die. Grocery stores got to sell groceries, gas stations got to sell gas, attention Michigan - gyms don't get to be open, and bars and taverns don't get to be open and ball parks don't have to have an attendance. There's my point.
 
Interesting...

https://gbdeclaration.org/

The Great Barrington Declaration

As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity...... (CONTINUED)

Co-signers
Medical and Public Health Scientists and Medical Practitioners
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, physician, epidemiologist and public policy expert at the Veterans Administration, USA
Dr. Stephen Bremner,professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England
Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England
Dr. Helen Colhoun, ,professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England
Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism expert and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA
Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel
Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland
Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England
Dr. Michael Jackson, research fellow, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada
Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden
Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA
Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA.
Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden
Dr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA
Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England
Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, India
Dr. Udi Qimron, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Matthew Ratcliffe, professor of philosophy, specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, England
Dr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England
Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA
Dr. Karol Sikora MA, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England
Dr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen’s University, Canada
Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA
Dr. Simon Thornley, epidemiologist and biostatistician, University of Auckland, New Zealand
Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England
Dr. Lisa White, professor of modelling and epidemiology, Oxford University, England
Dr. Simon Wood, biostatistician and professor, University of Edinburgh, Scotland


 
ABM said:
Interesting...

https://gbdeclaration.org/

The Great Barrington Declaration

As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity...... (CONTINUED)

Co-signers
Medical and Public Health Scientists and Medical Practitioners
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, physician, epidemiologist and public policy expert at the Veterans Administration, USA
Dr. Stephen Bremner,professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England
Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England
Dr. Helen Colhoun, ,professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England
Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism expert and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA
Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel
Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland
Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England
Dr. Michael Jackson, research fellow, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, New Zealand
Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada
Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden
Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA
Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA.
Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden
Dr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA
Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England
Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, India
Dr. Udi Qimron, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel
Dr. Matthew Ratcliffe, professor of philosophy, specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, England
Dr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England
Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA
Dr. Karol Sikora MA, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England
Dr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen’s University, Canada
Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA
Dr. Simon Thornley, epidemiologist and biostatistician, University of Auckland, New Zealand
Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England
Dr. Lisa White, professor of modelling and epidemiology, Oxford University, England
Dr. Simon Wood, biostatistician and professor, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
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This article from Nature shows why that’s a rather dumb approach:

Taking these considerations into account, there is little evidence to suggest that the spread of SARS-CoV-2 might stop naturally before at least 50% of the population has become immune. Another question is what it would take to achieve 50% population immunity, given that we currently do not know how long naturally acquired immunity to SARS-CoV-2 lasts (immunity to seasonal coronaviruses is usually relatively short lived), particularly among those who had mild forms of disease, and whether it might take several rounds of re-infection before robust immunity is attained. Re-infection has only been conclusively documented in a very limited number of cases so far and it is unclear whether this is a rare phenomenon or may prove to become a common occurrence. Likewise, how a previous infection would affect the course of disease in a re-infection, and whether some level of pre-existing immunity would affect viral shedding and transmissibility, is unknown.

With flu pandemics, herd immunity is usually attained after two to three epidemic waves, each interrupted by the typical seasonality of influenza virus and more rarely by interventions, with the help of cross-protection through immunity to previously encountered influenza viruses, and vaccines when available10. For COVID-19, which has an estimated infection fatality ratio of 0.3–1.3%1,5, the cost of reaching herd immunity through natural infection would be very high, especially in the absence of improved patient management and without optimal shielding of individuals at risk of severe complications. Assuming an optimistic herd immunity threshold of 50%, for countries such as France and the USA, this would translate into 100,000–450,000 and 500,000–2,100,000 deaths, respectively. Men, older individuals and those with comorbidities are disproportionally affected, with infection fatality ratios of 3.3% for those older than 60 years and increased mortality in individuals with diabetes, cardiac disease, chronic respiratory disease or obesity. The expected impact would be substantially smaller in younger populations.

An effective vaccine presents the safest way to reach herd immunity. As of August 2020, six anti-SARS-CoV-2 vaccines have reached phase III trials, so it is conceivable that some will become available by early 2021, although their safety and efficacy remain to be established. Given that the production and delivery of a vaccine will initially be limited, it will be important to prioritize highly exposed populations and those at risk of severe morbidity. Vaccines are particularly suited for creating herd immunity because their allocation can be specifically targeted to highly exposed populations, such as health-care workers or individuals with frequent contact with customers.
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00451-5
 
A declaration thrown out there by climate deniers. Cool. Cool.

Also...
the Declaration claims to be signed by over 5,000 ‘Medical & Public Health Scientists’ and 11,267 ‘Medical Practitioners’, along with over 155,000 members of the general public.

The claim that “thousands of scientists” are supporting the Barrington Declaration was reported far and wide by major media outlets from the BBC to the Daily Mail. But when I attempted to check how the signatory process works, I discovered that there was no vetting procedure in place for signatories – anybody could become a confirmed signatory of the Declaration and be categorised as a scientist or medic by falsifying entry information and ticking a box. By experimenting with the process myself, I was able to add myself as a signatory under the ‘Medical & Public Health Scientists’ category and received an automated email confirming this.
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We shall see...
 
GoBlazersGo said:
Shit, man... keep us updated, hope all is well. What type of symptoms are you experiencing?
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last night I had a headache and vomited some of my dinner. Today I woke up feeling sore and fatigued with a small cough and slight headache

I had to cancel a family dinner tonight and my grandpas 95th birthday is tomorrow so I wanted to make sure I’m okay.


I never know if my cough is due to covid19 or cannibis420
 
ehizzy3 said:
last night I had a headache and vomited some of my dinner. Today I woke up feeling sore and fatigued with a small cough and slight headache

I had to cancel a family dinner tonight and my grandpas 95th birthday is tomorrow so I wanted to make sure I’m okay.


I never know if my cough is due to covid19 or cannibis420
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Where'd you go to get tested? Did you have to make an appointment?

Hope your test is negative and that you're feeling better, A.S.A.P.! I'd probably still skip dinner with Gramps tomorrow night though, just to be safe... even though it would suck to miss such an important birthday for such an important person.

If you're positive, message me and I'll bring you some herbal remedies to help you battle the virus! Like with most illnesses, I think cannabis treatment would be extremely beneficial, when administered using the correct methods of delivery.
 
ABM said:
Either way, I was impressed with the amount/degree of co-signers.
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I’m not at all. For every one of those I can find a thousand that would never sign something like that. In just this country alone let alone England and all of the other countries in Europe.
 
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