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I just want this to be clear. When a person says "cabal" the debate is over. That person is saying that no information is valid because all information is either polluted by this new world order shit or it's true and from completely unverifiable sources. The person who says "cabal" gets to tell you which sources have and have not been corrupted by this all powerful body that they say they can't name because that body is protected but then they usually say that it's probably everyone in power.

My problem isn't necessarily with @Serbian and him calling a lot of us sheep and believing in a conspiracy theory, that he uses very bad sources of information to support. My problem is that there seems to be a huge segment of our population that believes these almost entirely baseless and most definitely outlandish conspiracies. There are tons of different conspiracies for them to pick from. This used to be tens of thousands of tin foil hat wearing Americans that stayed up until two in the mourning to listen to one show on AM radio that 99.97% of people (just kidding it was much closer to everyone) thought were crazy. Now it's seriously everywhere. It's tens of millions of Americans and I'm sure hundreds of millions of people around the world believing the furthest answers from the most obvious and likely with little to no proof. It's a very strange phenomenon. I blame it mostly on Kyrie (just kidding kinda). Honestly though I find it troubling.

When we have the most abundant sources of information ever, the most people ever investigating to break open controversies and the height of visibility, these people think now is the time that there are more cover ups than ever. It boggles my mind. As an aside conspiracy theorists tend to not be cool with transparency or surveillance, citing privacy but complain that everything is obfuscated.
 
HailBlazers said:
How does your immune system work.

Can your body NOT teach itself?
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Absolutely. Happens nonstop. But it's not 100 percent which is why we get infections. And some infections can kill you, make you very sick, or leave you with permanent damage, like polio.
 
Still waiting to hear where Serbian learned biochemistry. Does Serbian know what mRNA is and its function in the cell? What an antibody is? All I see is bad spelling and stupid insults.
 
barfo said:
Sure, maybe in the long term, the vaccine makes your balls fall off and in the long term, covid doubles the size of your penis.

But in the short term, covid has killed a half-million in the US, and the vaccine has killed... how many? I think we've got enough information already to make a rational decision.

barfo
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Its to bad there wasn't a vaccine for scurvy...
 
crandc said:
Absolutely. Happens nonstop. But it's not 100 percent which is why we get infections. And some infections can kill you, make you very sick, or leave you with permanent damage, like polio.
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And the polio vaccine is 99% effective at granting immunity. Meanwhile mRNA "vaccines" simply lessen symptoms, while according to new research 59% of Covid transmissions are from asymptomatic people.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707
 
Serbian said:
Genius responds. Except your wrong. Covid cases were there pretty high number. If you had light cold runny nose = covid. Any allergies = covid. fever cough = covid. No symptoms no problem covid. Yet survival rate was like the flu 99.97% chance of survival. My sister is RN in baylor hospital in Texas, she said they had patients who had chronic heart failure and needed emergency heart transplant died but because they tested positive with 30 days of positive covid results the death was listed as covid even though he had no fever or anything with covid and died because of bad heart. CDC finally admits this publicly and said 1/3 listed as covid deaths did not die because of covid but because of underlying health conditions.
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I was talking about the flu not Covid
 
It's the Rand Paul first rule of science: Any scientific principle or conclusion can be challenged by a white male with no relevant expertise who shouts a lot.
 
HailBlazers said:
And the polio vaccine is 99% effective at granting immunity. Meanwhile mRNA "vaccines" simply lessen symptoms, while according to new research 59% of Covid transmissions are from asymptomatic people.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707
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Flu vaccines are offered every year, but they don't make you invulnerable to the season's flu, they just make you much more resistant. That's what "immunity" means when it comes to epidemiology. The idea that because the immunity granted is not 100%, it's not really a "vaccine" is a meme-level assertion.
 
Minstrel said:
Flu vaccines are offered every year, but they don't make you invulnerable to the season's flu, they just make you much more resistant. That's what "immunity" means when it comes to epidemiology. The idea that because the immunity granted is not 100%, it's not really a "vaccine" is a meme-level assertion.
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And they contain inactive flu viruses. If you can't see how this is completely different than the traditional definition of a vaccine I don't know what to tell ya: Our mRNA Medicines – The ‘Software of Life’
 
HailBlazers said:
And they contain inactive flu viruses. If you can't see how this is completely different than the traditional definition of a vaccine
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I never said it's not different--science and technology evolve over time, of course things change. Phones today wouldn't even be recognized as phones to someone from the 1960s. No one's disputing that this vaccine is conceptually different from the original vaccines--what you're not doing a great job of proving is that this isn't a vaccine at all.
 
Minstrel said:
No one's disputing that this vaccine is conceptually different from the original vaccines--what you're not doing a great job of proving is that this isn't a vaccine at all.
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They are saying its unequivocally as safe as rigorously tested "original" vaccines -- I'm saying it doesn't fit the traditional definition.

Washington State Legislature "Vaccine" means a preparation of killed or attenuated living microorganisms, or fraction thereof, that upon administration stimulates immunity that protects against disease and is approved by the federal food and drug administration as safe and effective and recommended by the advisory committee on immunization practices of the centers for disease control and prevention for administration to children under the age of nineteen years.
 
HailBlazers said:
They are saying its unequivocally as safe as rigorously tested "original" vaccines -- I'm saying it doesn't fit the traditional definition.
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I haven't seen anyone say they are "unequivocally as safe" as anything else. What people are saying is that they're safe enough for widespread use and that you, and society, are better off with it than without it as regards the coronavirus.

There's a bit of irony in saying that these vaccines are fundamentally different in concept but must require exactly the same length of trials as vaccines from the 1950s. We have new tools to design new vaccines and we have new tools to understand how they work. That doesn't mean they are "unequivocally" safe in all respects for every individual, but the fact that they didn't have the same trial procedure as past vaccines doesn't by itself mean that it's unsafe.
 
Minstrel said:
I haven't seen anyone say they are "unequivocally as safe" as anything else. What people are saying is that they're safe enough for widespread use and that you, and society, are better off with it than without it as regards the coronavirus.

There's a bit of irony in saying that these vaccines are fundamentally different in concept but must require exactly the same length of trials as vaccines from the 1950s. We have new tools to design new vaccines and we have new tools to understand how they work. That doesn't mean they are "unequivocally" safe in all respects for every individual, but the fact that they didn't have the same trial procedure as past vaccines doesn't by itself mean that it's unsafe.
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When wife and I got our first ones at Walgrens right on the very first part of all that paper work they give you is "caution does not meet FDA approval" didn't bother me any.
 
HailBlazers said:
They are saying its unequivocally as safe as rigorously tested "original" vaccines -- I'm saying it doesn't fit the traditional definition.

Washington State Legislature "Vaccine" means a preparation of killed or attenuated living microorganisms, or fraction thereof, that upon administration stimulates immunity that protects against disease and is approved by the federal food and drug administration as safe and effective and recommended by the advisory committee on immunization practices of the centers for disease control and prevention for administration to children under the age of nineteen years.
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Then this counts as mRNA is a fragment.
 
HailBlazers said:
They are saying its unequivocally as safe as rigorously tested "original" vaccines -- I'm saying it doesn't fit the traditional definition.

Washington State Legislature "Vaccine" means a preparation of killed or attenuated living microorganisms, or fraction thereof, that upon administration stimulates immunity that protects against disease and is approved by the federal food and drug administration as safe and effective and recommended by the advisory committee on immunization practices of the centers for disease control and prevention for administration to children under the age of nineteen years.
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It is a fraction of a living organism. It's the s-protein that is specific to the spike of the covid-19 virus...

Once our body learns to locate and kill anything with that s-protein covid-19 doesn't have a chance.

It's a vaccine.
 
Minstrel said:
I haven't seen anyone say they are "unequivocally as safe" as anything else. What people are saying is that they're safe enough for widespread use and that you, and society, are better off with it than without it as regards the coronavirus.

There's a bit of irony in saying that these vaccines are fundamentally different in concept but must require exactly the same length of trials as vaccines from the 1950s. We have new tools to design new vaccines and we have new tools to understand how they work. That doesn't mean they are "unequivocally" safe in all respects for every individual, but the fact that they didn't have the same trial procedure as past vaccines doesn't by itself mean that it's unsafe.
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Even then, they went through all of the same phases. They were just able to do the phases at the same time once certain precautions were met.

It was slightly more dangerous for those in the trial, but not now. People have been getting this vaccine for nearly a year. And vaccine side effects nearly always present symptoms within 2 weeks.

If there were a risk of long term side effects we'd know it by now.
 
julius said:
yeah, but how do you explain how Bill Gates is now worth 138 billion, if not for the "vaccines"!?
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I know you're being facetious, but just for the record...

That's what happens when we allow the rich and corporations write our laws.
 
Hoopguru said:
When wife and I got our first ones at Walgrens right on the very first part of all that paper work they give you is "caution does not meet FDA approval" didn't bother me any.
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thats what a brainless sheep would say.
 
Any surge yet from the States fully opened up with no mask mandates?
 
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