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jonnyboy said:
Welp, this discussion is clearly over. Good luck convincing people by calling them crazy.
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I think when people call other people crazy that do not believe in vaccination, they have given up on them.
 
MARIS61 said:
If they're public places, as a taxpayer and citizen he's a part-owner, so that would be very UnConstitutional.

You, as a taxpayer and citizen are also a part-owner, and are Constitutionally Free to avoid public places if you fear getting the Harvard Wuhan Bioweapons Lab Coronavirus.

So you see, no problem exists here. No reason for conflict.
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Public places aren't necessarily owned by the public. They are places open to the public. A grocery store is a public place, but is not owned by taxpayers.

You can be barred from entering for many reasons.
 
I really don't like saying I "believe in" vaccines. I accept vaccine efficacy, evolution, global warming, relativity and the heliocentric solar system. I don't believe, I accept things for which there is substantial evidence.
 
Lanny said:
I think when people call other people crazy that do not believe in vaccination, they have given up on them.
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The overwhelming majority of people who are not getting the COVID vaccine have gotten most other standard vaccines. Choosing not to get an experimental treatment is not “anti vax”. There are very few people who are actually against all vaccinations and get no vaccines.
 
jonnyboy said:
The overwhelming majority of people who are not getting the COVID vaccine have gotten most other standard vaccines. Choosing not to get an experimental treatment is not “anti vax”. There are very few people who are actually against all vaccinations and get no vaccines.
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That actually just highlights the irrational/political nature of the opposition to this particular vaccine.

Choosing not to get the vaccine because it is 'experimental' is a grave misunderstanding of the risk tradeoffs, and also an implicit assertion that somehow your judgment on vaccine safety is better than that of the experts in the field. And it isn't - no matter how incomplete the expert understanding of the situation is, the random citizen's understanding is worse.

Being a skeptic is great, but it involves a lot more than just saying 'I don't trust the experts'. That's just denial.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That actually just highlights the irrational/political nature of the opposition to this particular vaccine.

Choosing not to get the vaccine because it is 'experimental' is a grave misunderstanding of the risk tradeoffs, and also an implicit assertion that somehow your judgment on vaccine safety is better than that of the experts in the field. And it isn't - no matter how incomplete the expert understanding of the situation is, the random citizen's understanding is worse.

Being a skeptic is great, but it involves a lot more than just saying 'I don't trust the experts'. That's just denial.

barfo
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You don’t know the risk trade off because you don’t know if there are long term side effects. Nobody does.
 
jonnyboy said:
You don’t know the risk trade off because you don’t know if there are long term side effects. Nobody does.
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Do you know more about the long term side effects of covid?

Has covid passed all its clinical trials and been approved as a disease by the FDA? Or is catching covid also 'experimental'?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Do you know more about the long term side effects of covid? Has covid passed all its clinical trials and been approved as a disease by the FDA? Or is catching covid also 'experimental'?
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Do you believe it was developed in a lab or came from bats in a market?

BigGameDamian said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kg...slow/283-d0cf9557-ab26-4051-bbff-3c5b7d5656a5

The head of the Oregon Restaurant and Lodging Association said it's time to return to 'business as normal,' even if the 70% goal isn't met.
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Everywhere else in the country is.
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kg...slow/283-d0cf9557-ab26-4051-bbff-3c5b7d5656a5

Calls grow for Oregon governor to scrap 70% vaccination goal

The head of the Oregon Restaurant and Lodging Association said it's time to return to 'business as normal,' even if the 70% goal isn't met.
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It’s not going to be met. At this point, those who want it have gotten it. The people who haven’t received it aren’t twiddling their thumbs or procrastinating, they don’t want it and probably aren’t going to get it.
 
jonnyboy said:
It’s not going to be met. At this point, those who want it have gotten it. The people who haven’t received it aren’t twiddling their thumbs or procrastinating, they don’t want it and probably aren’t going to get it.
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I do agree with you on this. A few more I'm sure will get it but not enough. Unfortunately, I think they will have even a tougher time getting people to take the booster shots.
 
HailBlazers said:
Do you believe it was developed in a lab or came from bats in a market?
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It's an interesting question, but it doesn't matter in terms of what we do now in fighting the pandemic.

We may not ever know for sure.

barfo
 
Shaboid said:
That's just sad.
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barfo
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.opb.org/article/2021/06/25/oregon-covid-19-coronavirus-health-vaccines-reopening/?outputType=amp

Oregon to reopen by no later than June 30

The state is roughly 35,000 shots away from delivering first-doses of the COVID-19 vaccine to 70% of adults.
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According to the Deep State puppets who provide Oregon's Vote by Mail results.

Not that it matters since the only path to stopping the spread is herd immunity and the only way currently known to provide immunity (according to science) is to actually get COVID-19.

No current "vaccine" has been shown to provide immunity to even 1 individual anywhere on Earth.

If you already had a good bout of the CIAHARVARDWUHANBIOWEAPONVIRUS, you are likely immune for life.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Public places aren't necessarily owned by the public. They are places open to the public. A grocery store is a public place, but is not owned by taxpayers.

You can be barred from entering for many reasons.
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No, a grocery store is a privately owned business. You are correct that the owner can refuse service to anyone they choose for any reason they choose. The government has a much higher standard to meet when interfering with the rights of either owners or patrons.
 
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