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I could understand early on people being hesitant. But hundreds of millions of doses with almost no serious side effects

U.S. data for 12- to 17-year-olds show:
The most recent reported deaths include a 15-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1498080) who previously had COVID, was diagnosed with cardiomyopathy in May 2021 and died four days after receiving his second dose of Pfizer’s vaccine on June 18, when he collapsed on the soccer field and went into ventricular tachycardia; and a 13-year-old girl (VAERS I.D. 1505250) who died after suffering a heart condition after receiving her first dose of Pfizer.
Dec. 14, 2020 to Aug. 13, 2021, for all age groups combined, show:
 
U.S. data for 12- to 17-year-olds show:

I wonder how the vaccine caused two suicides, 4 and 23 days after vaccination.

It almost seems like that might just be unrelated.

And if the vaccine didn't cause the suicides, did it really cause the other reported issues?

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U.S. data for 12- to 17-year-olds show:
The most recent reported deaths include a 15-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1498080) who previously had COVID, was diagnosed with cardiomyopathy in May 2021 and died four days after receiving his second dose of Pfizer’s vaccine on June 18, when he collapsed on the soccer field and went into ventricular tachycardia; and a 13-year-old girl (VAERS I.D. 1505250) who died after suffering a heart condition after receiving her first dose of Pfizer.
Dec. 14, 2020 to Aug. 13, 2021, for all age groups combined, show:

Data from vaccine reporting site being misrepresented online

CLAIM: Screenshots of the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System show people who have died after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. The VAERS system is an unverified reporting system that does not determine if a vaccine caused the events that are reported.

THE FACTS: As more and more Americans receive the COVID-19 vaccine, posts online are using data from an adverse event reporting system to cast doubt on the vaccine.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which run the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, are quick to note the limitation of the data, which serve as an early signal to detect issues with any vaccines.

VAERS was created in 1990 to give anyone from health care professionals to the general public the chance to submit reports. The data is publicly available online. The CDC says on its website that “reports submitted to VAERS often lack details and sometimes contain errors.”

Posts online are sharing VAERS data without any context. Screenshots of the data being shared online give a vague description to paint a much darker version of reality and mislead social media users into believing that the vaccine is causing more adverse events than the public is being told.

“VAERS - A MUST WATCH!!!!,” one video showing VAERS data on Instagram said. “I bet you haven’t seen any of THIS information about the COVID-19 vaccine covered on CNN, or any off the other treasonous corrupt mainstream media!”

Some screenshots show only a VAERS identification number, the age of the person who was vaccinated, the day they received the vaccine and the day they died to suggest that people are dying from the vaccine. The posts with misleading captions are being widely shared across social media platforms.

“I have not seen any data supporting that the vaccine caused a relationship with an increase in mortality rate or something like that,” said Dr. Werner Bischoff, an infectious disease specialist at Wake Forest University.

According to the CDC, VAERS does not determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse events, which can often happen coincidentally after immunization.

VAERS has often been misrepresented by anti-vaccine advocates, and the distribution of a COVID-19 vaccine has brought more attention to the surveillance system.

There was a time when a number of reports in VAERS were from people concerned that vaccines were causing autism, which has been debunked, said Dr. James Campbell, professor of pediatrics and infectious diseases at the University of Maryland School of Medicine.

Since anyone can submit a report to the system, it is impossible to know if the symptoms were caused by the vaccine. VAERS says on its website that knowingly filing a false report is against the law.

“There are spikes of reporting on various things and some people unfortunately use VAERS inappropriately,” Campbell said. “Any symptoms can be reported by VAERS by anyone.”

Both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines have undergone three phases of clinical trials and been tested on about 70,000 people. Subjects have undergone a two-month follow-up as part of the phase 3 of the clinical trial. So far, more than 20 million Americans have received the first dose of the Pfizer and Moderna shots since December.

Dr. Prathit Arun Kulkarni, an infectious disease expert at Baylor College of Medicine, said what people forget when sharing VAERS data is that populations have baseline issues that do not change based on the introduction of vaccines such as heart attacks or deaths.

“The main purpose is to try and detect new, unusual, rare side effects or adverse events that can happen after vaccination,” Kulkarni said. “The limitations of such a system are that it can be difficult to tease out causality from temporality.”

Despite what the false posts online may suggest about the vaccines, the evidence supporting their use is there. Both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines have been proven 95% effective against COVID-19 illness.

“There is really good evidence that the vaccine prevents you from dying of covid,” Campbell said. “At this point, there is absolutely no evidence that the vaccine itself has increased rates of death.”

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This is part of The Associated Press’ ongoing effort to fact-check misinformation that is shared widely online, including work with Facebook to identify and reduce the circulation of false stories on the platform.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9957832237
 
U.S. data for 12- to 17-year-olds show:
The most recent reported deaths include a 15-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1498080) who previously had COVID, was diagnosed with cardiomyopathy in May 2021 and died four days after receiving his second dose of Pfizer’s vaccine on June 18, when he collapsed on the soccer field and went into ventricular tachycardia; and a 13-year-old girl (VAERS I.D. 1505250) who died after suffering a heart condition after receiving her first dose of Pfizer.
Dec. 14, 2020 to Aug. 13, 2021, for all age groups combined, show:

Fact check: Reports of adverse effects in US database aren’t confirmed to be linked to vaccination

A video is being shared on social media that sees a presenter examining data from a US system that collects reports of adverse health events that follow the administration of a vaccine.

The video (here) features data collected by the US Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), which is freely available to download (list of files here: here, an updated version of the dataset shown in the video can be downloaded here: here).

Anyone can report events to VAERS (vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html) and a disclaimer on the website of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says: “The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable” (here). When downloading the data, users are presented with a further disclaimer that the data does not include information from investigations into reported cases. The disclaimer also says “the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality” (here).

The presenter says she is looking at adverse reactions and deaths in people who have received the COVID-19 vaccine (timestamp 0.10) and then filters this data to show people who are reported to have died. She says this now shows only people who have died within seven days of receiving a vaccine. This is incorrect, there is no limit on reporting deaths related to adverse effects following a vaccine (here). The data includes deaths reported more than seven days after receiving a vaccine ( see VAERS ID 916890). As she scrolls through this filtered list, the presenter says: “These people did not survive the vaccine”.

However, on its website, the CDC says the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires vaccination providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS.

“Reports of death to VAERS following vaccination do not necessarily mean the vaccine caused the death,” it says.


“CDC follows up on any report of death to request additional information and learn more about what occurred and to determine whether the death was a result of the vaccine or unrelated.”

“To date, VAERS has not detected patterns in cause of death that would indicate a safety problem with COVID-19 vaccines.”

The CDC estimates that about 1.3 million COVID-19 vaccine doses were administered to residents in long-term care facilities as of Jan. 18, 2021. Given this, the CDC expected to see a background mortality of 11,440 deaths (slide 36 here), which is multiple times higher than the number of VAERS reports in the dataset.

Further to this, the VAERS dataset presented in the video did not just include events reported after COVID-19 vaccines. On-screen text in the video says a one-year-old died from the COVID-19 vaccine, but children younger than 16 years of age are not authorized to receive the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines in the United States (here). The VAERS report in question says that the vaccine the one-year-old had received was a flu shot (VAERS ID number 942246, vaccine data downloadable here: here).

Throughout the video, the woman says that about 1% of vaccine injuries and deaths are reported. (Timestamps 0.03, 2.20 and 3.20).


A spokesperson for the CDC told Reuters by email that reporting rates for adverse events vary. She said: “Mild events, like a rash, tend to be reported less frequently than severe events (like a seizure). We have data to show that serious adverse events that occur after vaccination are more likely to be reported than non-serious adverse events. Events such as a sore arm at the injection site might not get reported since they are expected and therefore people don’t feel the need to report them.”

Studies have found reporting rates on VAERS of 47% for cases of intussusception cases after the rotavirus vaccine and 68% for paralytic polio after the oral polio vaccine, while rates ranged from 13 to 76% for anaphylaxis (here).

VERDICT
Partly false. In the US, the VAERS collects reports of adverse effects in patients following vaccination but it does not show whether those adverse effects were caused by a vaccine. The death of a one-year-old included in the data could not have been caused by a vaccine for COVID-19, as the child had not received one.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work here .

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...med-to-be-linked-to-vaccination-idUSKBN2AE0QQ
 
I was told there are none.

The part you bolded is a bit out of context don't you think?

We have data to show that serious adverse events that occur after vaccination are more likely to be reported than non-serious adverse events.

Meaning that when there are serious problems with any vaccines doctors use that system to report them.

What's concerning to me is the links in the post you posted lead to an anti-vax site.

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The part I circled takes you to some interesting articles.

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Straight data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. Feel free to say the reports are all some antivax conspiracy.

Yes, the raw data is from VAERS. But the follow-up reports, investigations, and determinations are not included. And to get a complete understanding of what is and has happened you need that follow-up information.

I have no idea if there is false information posted by anti-vaxxers in those reports. But when an anti-vax website encourages non-medical personnel to post on VAERS you have to look at it more closely.

I'm willing to bet you took statistics college, you know you can take raw data and interpret it to prove just about anything you want.

An antivax website is not going to look at the VAERS data from any vaccine objectively. Just like a Trail Blazer website is not going to look at the Lakers objectively.

But as you can hopefully tell I did look at the statistics you posted.

Here is an example of what you posted was a bit suspicious to me:

Of the 2,607 cases of Bell’s Palsy reported, 50% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 43% to Moderna and 7% to J&J.

I looked at a few of those reported cases of Bell's Palsy. None of them attributed Bell's Palsy to any of the vaccines. Only that the patients had a vaccine. Attributed means caused and that conclusion is not in those posts. The US averages 40,000 cases a year of Bells Palsy. 2,607 cases of Bell's Palsy in people who have had the vaccine doesn't seem like an abnormality to me. It's enough to investigate, for sure! But to say that the covid vaccines are causing Bell's Palsy when only looking at VAERS data seems like a stretch.

We have to be careful when looking at raw data and drawing conclusions from it. 98% of all fatal passenger car accidents last year the cars had 4 tires. 2% had 3 or fewer tires. Therefore based on those numbers having 3 or fewer tires on a car is in fact safer than having all four.
 
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Oregon COVID-19 hospitalizations increase 500%, officials request out-of-state help

Every day since Aug. 10, Oregon has set a record for new COVID-19 hospitalizations.

On Thursday morning, there were 845 COVID-19 patients being treated in hospitals. Oregon Health Authority Director Patrick Allen says that's more than a 500% increase since July 19.

"I want to be honest, the situation in Oregon hospitals is growing increasingly dire," Allen said.

A majority of these patients hospitalized are unvaccinated, and it's having a devastating ripple effect.

"Oregonians sick with COVID-19, nearly all of them unvaccinated, are filling hospital beds in record numbers, and this poses a critical threat to all Oregonians in need of hospital care," Dr. Dean Sidelinger, Oregon's state health officer, said.

Sidelinger says the unvaccinated are risking their own health and the health of loved ones and strangers alike.

State leaders are urging people to get vaccinated and not shying away from blaming people who won't get vaccinated.

"I need to be direct about what’s causing this crisis, a growing wave of unvaccinated patients who have become so seriously sick with the Delta variant they need to be hospitalized," Allen said. "Hospitals are converting outpatient rooms to medical surgical rooms or ICU beds. Patients are parked in hallways. Staffing is critically short."



On Thursday morning, Allen said 200 patients were waiting in emergency departments across the state for a bed.

Dr. Jeff Absalon, the chief physician executive for St. Charles Health System in central Oregon, says they've had to cancel or postpone 3,000 scheduled surgeries because hospitals are overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients.

"These are not cosmetic surgeries," Absalon said. "These are very necessary, critical surgeries for the patients that we serve. These are patients that have cancer, heart disease, neurological disease, surgeries that are necessary to preserve life and function, and they’re being delayed right now. So, quite simply put, and I don’t want to mince my words, we are rationing care."

Absalon says what his health system is going through is "unimaginable."

"Our frontline health care workers that have been caring for patients every day are exhausted. They are burned out, and we’re in a pandemic that many of us regard, at this time, as largely preventable," he said.

Oregon is now leaning on other states and the federal government for help.

Director Allen says the state has asked FEMA for a mobile hospital.

"We’re keeping Oregon’s congressional delegation informed while we continue discussions with our federal partners," Allen said. "We understand that many other states are facing even worse challenges than Oregon, but we will continue to pursue federal help despite the competing demands for these limited resources."



FEMA will send 24 EMTs to the state to help at emergency departments. That assistance is expected to arrive in four days. The EMTs will work in six hospitals in Jackson, Josephine, Deschutes and Douglas counties.

Additionally, state leaders are requesting 35 physicians, 35 advanced practice providers, 300 registered nurses, 10 paramedics and 100 respiratory therapists from other states. Those workers would be deployed to central and southern Oregon.



The state is also now asking long-term care facilities to help with hospital overflow.

"Skilled nursing facilities and rehabilitation centers will stand up surge and decompression beds in high impact regions to help hospital patients who are waiting for discharge to other facilities where they can continue to safely recover," Allen explained, adding that eight crisis nurse teams will come to help those long-term care facilities.

Absalon says health care workers are dealing with what's called "moral injury." That injury is what health care workers feel when they can't help the patients right in front of them the way they need to. Absalon says his health system has 800 open positions. Those who are working are treating COVID-19 patients both in denial and desperate.

"We’ve also had patients coming into our hospitals that don’t believe in COVID-19 disease, that are diagnosed with the disease. They don’t believe in it," Absalon said. "Then there are those who didn’t believe in COVID-19 or didn’t believe in vaccinations until they were in our care, gasping for their last breath of air, and became believers and later encourage their family members to get vaccinated."

Absalon and other health care leaders are urging people to get vaccinated, saying although there have been breakthrough cases, the vaccine is the best way to prevent severe disease and hospitalization.

"If you’re not vaccinated, get vaccinated," Absalon pleaded. "It’s exactly what needs to happen. This is the way out of this pandemic. There's strong science behind these vaccines."

https://katu.com/news/coronavirus/o...rease-500-officials-request-out-of-state-help
 
The Cost Of Being Unvaccinated Just Went Up
Topline
With highly effective coronavirus vaccines available and hospital admissions soaring, many Covid-19 patients are facing bigger bills as most insurance companies have ended waivers on out-of-pocket costs that they introduced earlier in the pandemic, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a cost that will be primarily borne by the unvaccinated people more likely to require hospital treatment.


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Key Facts
Earlier in the pandemic, the vast majority of private health insurers voluntarily waived out-of-pocket costs for Covid-19 treatment, meaning some 88% of people with insurance coverage would have paid nothing if hospitalized.

With no federal mandate requiring insurers to waive these costs, few regulations requiring them to do so at the state level and the wide availability of effective vaccines, the majority have now passed these costs back to patients, according to research by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Of the two largest health plans in each state and Washington, D.C., nearly three-quarters (72%) are now passing out-of-pocket costs—including copays and payments towards deductibles—for Covid-19 treatment back to patients, KFF found.

The 102 providers studied represent 62% of enrollment across fully insured individual and group markets, KFF said.

Almost half of the insurers studied had terminated waivers by April, roughly the time all adults in the country became eligible for a vaccine, and the majority of those still eating the costs—nearly a quarter of the the insurers studied—intend to stop by the end of the year.

Of the remainder, two plans (around 2% of the total) have waivers set to expire by March 2022 and just five (around 5%) do not specify when waivers will expire.

Key Background
While Covid-19 vaccines and most coronavirus tests are supposed to be free, Americans hospitalized with coronavirus can still be billed for care. Even with comprehensive coverage, the usual suite of deductibles, copayments and coinsurance apply, and many of those admitted to a hospital have received surprise bills of astronomical sizes upon leaving. With Covid-19 cases and hospital admissions surging—primarily among unvaccinated people across the country—and waivers coming to an end, it is likely that many people will be receiving bills for treatment. New waivers are possible—some due to expire in October are pegged to the ending of the federal Public Health Emergency—though perhaps unlikely given the availability of free vaccines that are highly effective at preventing serious illness and hospitalization. Many believe vaccine holdouts should have to pay more for their health insurance and employers are reportedly considering raising premiums to try and employees to get the shot. Polling suggests Americans are neatly divided on the issue, with around half (49%) in favor of employers charging unvaccinated people more for insurance. Of those opposing, 73% were not vaccinated.


Tangent
Just over half of the U.S. population is fully vaccinated against Covid-19. The vast majority of those hospitalized with the infection have not received it. Almost all of those dying from Covid-19 have not. Not all are eligible for vaccination, however, and hospitals are filling up with record numbers of children suffering from the disease and younger people who may not have been eligible for the shot for very long.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robert...-patients-as-covid-hospitalizations-soar/amp/
 
I analyzed adverse events as part of my job. First, most are minor. I had a sore arm for a day. That's an adverse event. Second, patients might correlate something that happened in close proximity to a medication or vaccine that is unrelated. A 73 year old who died after being vaccinated could well have died from other causes. That's why they are analyzed. Not just spit out to justify a political position.

600,000 dead Americans and counting.
 
I analyzed adverse events as part of my job. First, most are minor. I had a sore arm for a day. That's an adverse event. Second, patients might correlate something that happened in close proximity to a medication or vaccine that is unrelated. A 73 year old who died after being vaccinated could well have died from other causes. That's why they are analyzed. Not just spit out to justify a political position.

600,000 dead Americans and counting.

628,000 now and growing…mostly needlessly.
 
You know most covid deaths occurred before the vaccine even came out, right? You can’t accurately blame most deaths on antivaxxer boogeymen.

My wife and I - kind of reluctantly - recently got vaccinated. Nonetheless, we did it. Now, we just received news last evening of the passing of Nashville radio icon, Phil Valentine, who had previously poo-poo'd getting vaccinated, then completely reversed that position.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...regretted-vaccine-skepticism-dies-of-covid-19

Conservative radio host who regretted vaccine skepticism dies of COVID-19
 
You know most covid deaths occurred before the vaccine even came out, right? You can’t accurately blame most deaths on antivaxxer boogeymen.
Well that is very goofy logic to me. Of course the vaccine would prevent deaths, duh. The more vaccine administered the less deaths we should have. Antivaxers simply slow down decrease in death rate from the virus.
 
Well that is very goofy logic to me. Of course the vaccine would prevent deaths, duh. The more vaccine administered the less deaths we should have. Antivaxers simply slow down decrease in death rate from the virus.

Either that or the pandemic was winding down anyway. The vaccine didn’t singlehandedly slow the pandemic to its current rate. You can’t really make that claim while simultaneously screaming that it’s back with a vengeance. The two sort of contradict each other. Does the thing work or not? Close to 50% of the population is vaccinated and now the narrative has changed that somehow the unvaccinated are driving a new pandemic? There isn’t any logic to this while pushing the vaccine as the holy grail of covid prevention.
 
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Either that or the pandemic was winding down anyway.
Look at the slopes of the rates of infection. An increasing slope before the vaccine introduction shows that it was not winding down on it's own and a decrease in the slope of the rate or infection right when the vaccine was introduced tells me the vaccine was working.
 
You know most covid deaths occurred before the vaccine even came out, right? You can’t accurately blame most deaths on antivaxxer boogeymen.

I was referring to the “and growing” part of my statement regarding those deaths being mostly needless. I know you’re supercharged looking for attacks, but sometimes a statement is just a statement.
 
The other day I went to Rite Aide to get my flu shot and as I was waiting two young guys late teens early 20’s jus got their covid vaccines and came over to sit down for the 15 min wait, and one if the boys passed out in the chair for about 20 seconds. He came to and seemed ok just a bit disoriented. Anyway, there was a middle aged gal waiting for her covid shot but after she saw the kid pass out got up told the pharmacist she going to wait another day and took off.
 
The other day I went to Rite Aide to get my flu shot and as I was waiting two young guys late teens early 20’s jus got their covid vaccines and came over to sit down for the 15 min wait, and one if the boys passed out in the chair for about 20 seconds. He came to and seemed ok just a bit disoriented. Anyway, there was a middle aged gal waiting for her covid shot but after she saw the kid pass out got up told the pharmacist she going to wait another day and took off.
1. Why isn't the VA giving out their flu shots yet?
2. When will the booster Covid vaccine be offered?
 
You know most covid deaths occurred before the vaccine even came out, right? You can’t accurately blame most deaths on antivaxxer boogeymen.
You know "growing" means in the present right? And you know the vaccines are presently out and readily available, right?
 
My wife and I - kind of reluctantly - recently got vaccinated. Nonetheless, we did it. Now, we just received news last evening of the passing of Nashville radio icon, Phil Valentine, who had previously poo-poo'd getting vaccinated, then completely reversed that position.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...regretted-vaccine-skepticism-dies-of-covid-19

Conservative radio host who regretted vaccine skepticism dies of COVID-19

if only he was smart enough to get vaccinated. He’d be alive and well. Darwinism award goes to him and others like him
 
The other day I went to Rite Aide to get my flu shot and as I was waiting two young guys late teens early 20’s jus got their covid vaccines and came over to sit down for the 15 min wait, and one if the boys passed out in the chair for about 20 seconds. He came to and seemed ok just a bit disoriented. Anyway, there was a middle aged gal waiting for her covid shot but after she saw the kid pass out got up told the pharmacist she going to wait another day and took off.

That's a pretty common reaction to getting any shot. When I was in elementary school we took a field trip to a local clinic and the doctor took out a needle and started describing standard procedure, one student passed out, then another, then another. It was crazy and contagious, the teachers panicked and made us all sit down. It was quite a scene, 5 people in total all passed out.

After I got my Covid shot, I got real light headed and had to sit down. I'm pretty sure it's just because it's been hyped up into such a big deal that you can't help but feel a whole range of emotions.
 
That's a pretty common reaction to getting any shot. When I was in elementary school we took a field trip to a local clinic and the doctor took out a needle and started describing standard procedure, one student passed out, then another, then another. It was crazy and contagious, the teachers panicked and made us all sit down. It was quite a scene, 5 people in total all passed out.

After I got my Covid shot, I got real light headed and had to sit down. I'm pretty sure it's just because it's been hyped up into such a big deal that you can't help but feel a whole range of emotions.
wow, never heard of something like that.
When I got mine (both) I got all hyper and felt fantastic.
 
wow, never heard of something like that.
When I got mine (both) I got all hyper and felt fantastic.

Ive done some reading since then and apparently passing out in a situation can be suggestive for people who are already prone. Kids are extra suggestive to those type of things. So now if anyone in a group feels light headed I always scan the whole group.
 
In other news, I am sitting in an ER parking lot right now. My wife had a procedure a few weeks ago that she is recovering from. She's had a strange pain in her calf so she is concerned about a blood clot. It's probably nothing but not something to take a risk on.

We are at Hillsboro Kaiser and it's pretty laid back here. They have a Covid tent and a bunch of extra sign in procedures but she got right in. No one can wait with her though.
 
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