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Oregon says people fired for refusing vaccines generally can’t collect jobless benefits
https://www.oregonlive.com/business...html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

They'll just have to get by on their rugged individualism.

I wonder how much physical division or migration certain mandates will cause? It seems there are always going to be places leaning one way or another. Are people who can’t work in cities going to move to red states? And are people who are more worried about covid going to flee to cities where the regulations better fit their ideologies? Most people have always been able to set politics aside enough to live wherever, even if they are outnumbered. But if you can’t make a living, you probably gotta pack up and leave I would think.
 
I wonder how much physical division or migration certain mandates will cause? It seems there are always going to be places leaning one way or another. Are people who can’t work in cities going to move to red states? And are people who are more worried about covid going to flee to cities where the regulations better fit their ideologies? Most people have always been able to set politics aside enough to live wherever, even if they are outnumbered. But if you can’t make a living, you probably gotta pack up and leave I would think.
At a certain point you'd think (once most people in blue states are vaccinated and hospitals are no longer full) red states would catch on.
 
Problem is blue states aren't monolithic, especially high population and geographically large. California is very blue. Bay Area highly vaccinated and cases low but northeast corner and central valley have low vaccination rates and overflowing hospitals. My understanding is Oregon in similar situation.​
 
Problem is blue states aren't monolithic, especially high population and geographically large. California is very blue. Bay Area highly vaccinated and cases low but northeast corner and central valley have low vaccination rates and overflowing hospitals. My understanding is Oregon in similar situation.​

That’s sort of what I’m getting at. Red states aren’t monolithic either, it’s true much of the vaccination opinion coincides with politics, but not completely. There are liberal hippies who don’t takes shots, and there are elderly conservatives who get vaccinated for everything. The vaccination rates are petering out and I don’t really see another wave of vaccination taking place, though. Once those in power realize vaccination has stagnated I’m curious what comes next. Certainly there will be some kind of shakeup. People aren’t just going to lose their jobs and decide to be homeless. They will find work elsewhere, which may be far away.
 
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Wife hospitalized for a week with COVID comes home to find her husband dead in their bedroom from the virus after both did not get vaccinated
  • Lisa Steadman, 58, is mourning the loss of her husband, Ron Steadman, 55, who she found dead in their bedroom after struggling with COVID at a local hospital
  • Steadman said the nightmare began when her husband tested positive for COVID-19 at a walk-in clinic before she got her own positive COVID results
  • Steadman said her husband was in good condition and all seemed well despite the positive test and was sent home with medicine
  • Afterwards, Lisa also came down with COVID-19 and had to be rushed to the emergency room after passing out
  • A few days into her stay Ron told Lisa his phone couldn't charge and after failing to get in contact with him she asked Winter Haven police to check on him
  • When officers performed a wellness check Ron appeared fine, but when Lisa was released from the hospital two days later she found his dead body in their bed
  • Neither were vaccinated because were waiting to feel comfortable enough to take the vaccine but now Lisa says she will take the vaccine as soon as she can
 
If that were really true, wouldn't they have gone broke at some point?

barfo

Exactly. And most of their money goes to things that fit their political beliefs. They don’t give out free of discretion and discrimination.
 
That’s sort of what I’m getting at. Red states aren’t monolithic either, it’s true much of the vaccination opinion coincides with politics, but not completely. There are liberal hippies who don’t takes shots, and there are elderly conservatives who get vaccinated for everything. The vaccination rates are petering out and I don’t really see another wave of vaccination taking place, though. Once those in power realize vaccination has stagnated I’m curious what comes next. Certainly there will be some kind of shakeup. People aren’t just going to lose their jobs and decide to be homeless. They will find work elsewhere, which may be far away.
Pay every vaccinated person $2000. And $500 for the booster.
 
The Florida Hospital Association says 68 hospitals in Florida have less than 48 hours worth of oxygen.

The Florida Hospital Association is sounding the alarm, saying a survey shows 68 hospitals have less than a 48-hour supply of oxygen.

Hospitals are using three to four times as much oxygen as they were before the pandemic because more than 17,000 patients are hospitalized statewide with COVID-19. The FHA survey, which was done today, shows 68 hospitals have less than 48 hours worth of supply, with about half of these have less than 36 hours.

“This is not like running out of masks, right? This is life saving,” said Florida Hospital Association President Mary Mayhew. “And right now we’re focused on how to make sure that does not happen. And so hospitals have been raising these concerns, with the state, with the division of emergency management, with the governor’s office, and have raised these concerns federally.”

Mayhew says part of the problem is a lack of delivery drivers. But she is also worried that there is an oxygen supply problem.
https://www.wmfe.org/survey-68-florida-hospitals-have-less-than-48-hours-worth-of-oxygen/188797
 
The Florida Hospital Association says 68 hospitals in Florida have less than 48 hours worth of oxygen.

The Florida Hospital Association is sounding the alarm, saying a survey shows 68 hospitals have less than a 48-hour supply of oxygen.

Hospitals are using three to four times as much oxygen as they were before the pandemic because more than 17,000 patients are hospitalized statewide with COVID-19. The FHA survey, which was done today, shows 68 hospitals have less than 48 hours worth of supply, with about half of these have less than 36 hours.

“This is not like running out of masks, right? This is life saving,” said Florida Hospital Association President Mary Mayhew. “And right now we’re focused on how to make sure that does not happen. And so hospitals have been raising these concerns, with the state, with the division of emergency management, with the governor’s office, and have raised these concerns federally.”

Mayhew says part of the problem is a lack of delivery drivers. But she is also worried that there is an oxygen supply problem.
https://www.wmfe.org/survey-68-florida-hospitals-have-less-than-48-hours-worth-of-oxygen/188797

Whats Ron DeSantis think about this though?
 
Weekly breakthrough report from OHA is here:

OHA’s most recent update on COVID-19 breakthrough cases, released today, found that 88% of the 14,523 reported COVID-19 cases between Aug. 15 and Aug. 21 occurred in people who were unvaccinated. There were 1,739 breakthrough cases, accounting for 12% of the week’s cases.

The median age of the breakthrough cases during this period was 48. Thirty-six breakthrough cases involved residents of care facilities, senior living communities or other congregate care settings. There were 31 breakthrough cases in people aged 12 to 17.

To date, there have been 9,539 COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases in Oregon. The median age of all cases was 48. Breakthrough cases have been reported in all 36 counties.

Cases of COVID-19 are far more common in unvaccinated people. The report shows that the rate of COVID-19 in unvaccinated people is currently approximately six times higher than in vaccinated people.

To date, 5.5% of all vaccine breakthrough cases have been hospitalized and 0.9% have died. The median age of the people who died was 83.

The number of vaccine breakthrough cases identified in Oregon remains very small when compared to the more than 2.38 million Oregonians who have completed their COVID-19 vaccination series.

The latest breakthrough report can be found here.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/ORDHS/bulletins/2ee916b
 
Weekly breakthrough report from OHA is here:

OHA’s most recent update on COVID-19 breakthrough cases, released today, found that 88% of the 14,523 reported COVID-19 cases between Aug. 15 and Aug. 21 occurred in people who were unvaccinated. There were 1,739 breakthrough cases, accounting for 12% of the week’s cases.

The median age of the breakthrough cases during this period was 48. Thirty-six breakthrough cases involved residents of care facilities, senior living communities or other congregate care settings. There were 31 breakthrough cases in people aged 12 to 17.

To date, there have been 9,539 COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases in Oregon. The median age of all cases was 48. Breakthrough cases have been reported in all 36 counties.

Cases of COVID-19 are far more common in unvaccinated people. The report shows that the rate of COVID-19 in unvaccinated people is currently approximately six times higher than in vaccinated people.

To date, 5.5% of all vaccine breakthrough cases have been hospitalized and 0.9% have died. The median age of the people who died was 83.

The number of vaccine breakthrough cases identified in Oregon remains very small when compared to the more than 2.38 million Oregonians who have completed their COVID-19 vaccination series.

The latest breakthrough report can be found here.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/ORDHS/bulletins/2ee916b

Key word being reported.
 
Key word being reported.
I agree. A lot if not most cases from asymptomatic people probably go unreported. Not sure if there much of a way to avoid that.

That being said, I'm vaccinated and if I feel as much as a cold coming on I'm gonna go get a swab. Last thing I want to do is spread that shit to somebody else.
 
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Should I feel bad for thinking:

1. Unvaccinated people should not be provided a bed in the IU?

2. Unvaccinated folks should not be provided urgent care?

3. Unvaccinated folks should not be provided medical care at all? Unless going to a center where the providers disagree with forced vaccine?
 
Should I feel bad for thinking:

1. Unvaccinated people should not be provided a bed in the IU?

2. Unvaccinated folks should not be provided urgent care?

3. Unvaccinated folks should not be provided medical care at all? Unless going to a center where the providers disagree with forced vaccine?

I don't agree with withholding care for the unvaccinated. We have lots of veterinarians, and since the unvaxxed like horse medicine, it seems like a good fit.

barfo
 
I can sympathize with the fuck you attitude towards unvaccinated. But left untreated they infect children and immunocompromised people.

Get the damn vaccine already.
 
I can sympathize with the fuck you attitude towards unvaccinated. But left untreated they infect children and immunocompromised people.

Get the damn vaccine already.
Not gonna happen without far more incentive.

It's seriously beyond time to start paying people thousands to be vaccinated or start triaging the unvaccinated out of hospitals.

We're in this mess because our leaders have failed us. We've failed to educate our population, leaving them susceptible to conspiracies and fear mongering. We've failed to offer competing incentive to combat the conspiracies and fear mongering.

Blaming individuals doesn't work for societal problems. Personal accountability isn't a solution we can rely on. Ever.

We're the most well prepared society to ever face this kind of threat and we're shitting the bed for all of the world and future generations to see.

It's embarrassing. I'm ashamed.
 
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A lot of effort has gone into education. But you know the expression you can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink. When a significant section of the population gets information from those who say experts are not just wrong but evil, when their political leaders, so called, say don't get vaccinated, don't wear mask, I mean, it's hard to break through the wall of bullshit. Much stronger than the useless expensive wall at the border that a strong wind took down.
 
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