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Phatguysrule said:
Good point. Though I think my point stands.

If somebody wants to get that discussion going they can do so by backing it up with data.
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No, man, your point doesn't hold.

There was an information about countries, that happened to be most developed countries in the world, having concerns about vaccines and for you it is "stupid tweet".
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I did check it by myself. I was the one who provided a link to an article about it.

What exactly is "my side"?

I didn't post the Jeff Van Gundy tweet. (and I'll be the first to admit I didn't research it to see if it was true so I guess that does make me lazy.)
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By saying "you are lazy" I am referring to people that are too lazy, not to you personally.
There are some people here, that are happy to discuss stupid things and keep it quiet, when actual fact appears and I am referring to them.
 
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Delta variant has 235% higher risk of ICU admission than original virus
  • New variants of SARS-CoV-2 are more virulent and transmissible than the original variant of the virus.
  • Health experts associate these variants of concern (VOCs) with increased risk of hospitalization, intensive care unit (ICU) admission, and death.
  • Vaccination reduces the risks of severe disease and death even with the VOCs.
  • However, even with increased vaccination, control measures are needed to reduce the spread of the VOCs.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ar...her-risk-of-icu-admission-than-original-virus
 
royo said:
No, man, your point doesn't hold.

There was an information about countries, that happened to be most developed countries in the world, having concerns about vaccines and for you it is "stupid tweet".
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If there is no legit data to back it up its not worth my consideration. You can complain about it all you want, but it's not available in the US, doesn't impact me, and there is no data to associate it with Americans.

Have fun.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
1. Unusual Whales is not a twitter account I follow for medical or sports information.

2. No link to an actual article.

I did look at this twitter account and I'll admit, they have some pretty cool whale gifs.

And if you want to throw shit on me for not responding how you want me to respond over a tweet with what you consider facts in it that's cool with me. Throw away!
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This is why they call you Teflon Sly.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I did do a little googling about this...

Iceland is joining its Nordic peers in halting inoculations with Moderna Inc.’s Spikevax shot on concern over side effects.

The Moderna jab, which has mostly been used in Iceland for second doses, won’t be used until more information over its safety has been collected, the chief epidemiologist said on Friday.

Sweden, Denmark and Finland have this week suspended the jabs for younger people because of the risk of heart inflammation as a potential side effect. Norway said men under 30 should consider choosing the Pfizer Inc.’s and BioNTech SE’s rival vaccine, and the other Nordic nations also recommended that as an alternative. Both vaccinations use messenger RNA technology to prompt an immune reaction.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...c-peers-in-halting-moderna-covid-vaccinations​

1. It appears that the Spikevax is for 2nd doses and is not being used in the USA.

2. I firmly support them halting its use until more information over its safety has been collected.
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Well duh.
 
royo said:
I don't follow tweeter and I'm not gonna should the messenger, bc of its whales pics. I only had time to check if this actually happened. It is not about tweeter then, it is about fact.
I would have thought, that this kind of fact could put 2+2=4 on debate, but it made no waves.
You have your kinda clear conclusion, for me it is another warning sign. But the fact such an important information went under radar here, I believe, proofs my point, that people are the same on both sides of this story.
I am not throwing shit on dogs I like. I am just pointing, that people here got long and meaningless argument about nothing and both sides choose not no talk to much about facts, that could bring actual discussion and some peace and culture;)
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Must not be a 2+ 2 problem.
 
royo said:
I don't put my head under random tweets. We both checked if it was true and appears it is. Therefore, it is a fact.
I think your "kinda" clear conclusion is there could be a problem with this exact one vacc. It's ok with me.

For me, it is a warning sign, that it is still to early to be sure about vaccines alltogether.

We have slightly different conclusion - not from the tweet or "article", but - from the fact, that some countries (really, not that stupid ones) have their concerns.

At least we talk about it without accusing each other of being moron or morderer.
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It's a warning sign that it hasn't gone through any approval investigation. Pending a credible approval, I too would favor discontinuing it's use.
 
royo said:
Well, not really. This tweet brings some point to the discussion and you can check, if it is a fact, by yourself.
Unless you to lazy, or you to afraid to do this diabolic research stuff.
Unless for "your side" nothing is a fact or nothing is worth checking untill it goes from Jeff van Gundy.
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Debate 101, the person making an assertion is responsible for doing the research necessary to back it up.There's a good reason for that, do you know what it is?
 
Phatguysrule said:
If we tried to chase down info regarding every stupid tweet that gets posted in here we'd never have time for anything else. You shared the tweet. Feel free to back it up with legitimate data if you want people to think it's legit.
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Bingo, we have a winner.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Delta variant has 235% higher risk of ICU admission than original virus
  • New variants of SARS-CoV-2 are more virulent and transmissible than the original variant of the virus.
  • Health experts associate these variants of concern (VOCs) with increased risk of hospitalization, intensive care unit (ICU) admission, and death.
  • Vaccination reduces the risks of severe disease and death even with the VOCs.
  • However, even with increased vaccination, control measures are needed to reduce the spread of the VOCs.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ar...her-risk-of-icu-admission-than-original-virus
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More than twice as virulent? Good thing I got my booster last Thursday and my wife is scheduled for hers at the VA next Wednesday.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Do you have any data to back up that people should have data to back up their discussions?
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Cant like this enough. Not everything has data that provides credibility to an opinion one way or another.
If there isn't data, there isnt a problem!!
It doesn't exist!!

the internet world! HahahahHa
 
Orion Bailey said:
because some posters live here and feel the need to correct every opinion on every topic that doesn't fit theirs.
I prefer to live life! ;)
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Oh come on, this is conjecture. It may not be accurate when you try to read someone's mind unless you check it out with your subject.
 
Orion Bailey said:
because some posters live here and feel the need to correct every opinion on every topic that doesn't fit theirs.
I prefer to live life! ;)
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Provably untrue opinions which are stated as fact need to be called as the bullshit they are whenever possible.

Unfortunately well informed people in this country were too polite for too long. The result was Trump as president.
 
The sole fact I get from this very thread is, some of you are not very bright:)
 
Phatguysrule said:
Provably untrue opinions which are stated as fact need to be called as the bullshit they are whenever possible.

Unfortunately well informed people in this country were too polite for too long. The result was Trump as president.
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Wow. And if i couldn't think of a better person to comment on my comment. I know the irony isn't lost on me!
 
royo said:
The sole fact I get from this very thread is, some of you are not very bright:)
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I hope I'm not in that category or I'll begin to wonder about my debate championship in the high school with the largest percentage of graduates who went on to college in the state of Oregon, my 147 IQ, my 154 math IQ, my college scholarship and my admission to a national honor society. Sly is a college graduate, a whiz at Information Technology and a virtual catalog of information on a variety of subjects. crandc probably has a graduate degree in science and was a professional about writing about microbiological research, illuminatic has also worked extensively in this field. riverman also has a college degree. You can tell by the way the write that barfo and phatguysrule that they are quite learned although I don't know their training or professions. That's just a few of us.
Please, tell us about yourself, I'm curious and would love to hear about it.
I'm generally quite impressed with how bright most in here are and I would like to add you to the list.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Wow. And if i couldn't think of a better person to comment on my comment. I know the irony isn't lost on me!
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I didn't take this as a harsh criticism of you. Perhaps we should ask him.
 
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