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You’d think I wouldn’t be amazed that there are people like this actually walking around in society. Wow.
 
I know people who brag they don't wear seat belts. I never could understand that level of stupidity.
 
THE HCP said:
You bragging that you didn’t lockdown and wear a mask, as if it’s a good thing, is all we need to hear.
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Didn’t inject that garbage water in to my arm either, or force my children to. Hardly anyone i know did. Didn’t strap a fucking mask to a toddlers face either, like a fucking psychopath. We’re all still healthy, imagine that. Don’t know anyone who died of covid either, but i know of multiple who took that fucked up injection and are now injured.
Imagine forcing children to take a shot that is more dangerous to them than the disease itself, or strapping a cloth to their face. Traumatizing. Criminal.
 
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THE HCP said:
You’d think I wouldn’t be amazed that there are people like this actually walking around in society. Wow.
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I imagine anything that isn’t mainstream enough to be presented on ‘The View’ would absolutely scare the shit out of you.
 
jonnyboy said:
Didn’t inject that garbage water in to my arm either, or force my children to. Hardly anyone i know did. Didn’t strap a fucking mask to a toddlers face either, like a fucking psychopath. We’re all still healthy, imagine that. Don’t know anyone who died of covid either, but i know of multiple who took that fucked up injection and are now injured.
Imagine forcing children to take a shot that is more dangerous to them than the disease itself, or strapping a cloth to their face. Traumatizing. Criminal.
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So this is all misinformation. It has been proven misinformation time after time.

You don't know anybody who's family will admit they died from COVID and the people you know who claim they were injured by the vaccine are almost certainly lying or too dumb to know how wrong they are, and were probably injured by catching COVID without being vaccinated.
 
North Carolina Republican controlled legislature advanced a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to wear a mask in public, including cancer patients and immunocompromised people.
 
crandc said:
North Carolina Republican controlled legislature advanced a bill that would make it a crime for anyone to wear a mask in public, including cancer patients and immunocompromised people.
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Dumb neocons swinging the pendulum so far in the opposite direction they render themselves mentally challenged.
As it turns out, politicians on either of the two fake sides have zero concept of personal freedom, self autonomy or staying the fuck out of other people’s business. People can wear masks on their face or flower pots on their head, I really give no fucks. Where do these loser politicians get the audacity to micromanage such menial aspects of human life? It really requires a certain level of sociopathy to wake up, look in the mirror and say “I should decide for them”.
 
Congressional Republicans are once again dragging Dr. Fauci, who has done more for the country than they could dream of, before a committee so they can yell sound bites for right wing media and campaign ads. Because having no medical degree and no knowledge of biology means they know more about infections diseases than he does.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
OK--so to be clear, are you suggesting that people wearing masks when out in public doesn't have an appreciable impact on reducing the spread of communicable diseases?
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They do not. Not for viral anyway. Try wearing one on a cold day, and observe how we'll the mask catches your breath. There have actually been quite a few studies evaluating how effective they find no benefit. This was actually in the official CDC guidance on the matter.

Then they started to be used as part of the covid psyop, and became politicized. With lefties almost treating them like a religious talisman, and shreeking at people who dared to not wear one.

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The vaccine efficacy stats that were thrown about were an misleading mirage (intentionally in most cases). In a nutshell, it's a combination of healthy user bias and miscategorization error. The same CDC data that shows VE against covid also shows it causes a 70% reduction in car accidents. (that is healthy user bias). This data has all being laid out using publically available data from many countries.

The miscategorization error gives you the exact same "waning efficacy" curve. This statistical trick, is when you count covid deaths within 14 days of vaccination as an unvaccinated death in the numerator, but use the same population in the denominator of the vaccinated population in the equation for the vaccinated mortality. Anyone that understands basic math will see the problem with this.

If you don't believe this, simply step back and look at the amount of covid mortality and morbidity post vaccine rollout. It increased in nearly every country. So how on earth can you observe this blatant fact and still believe the vaccine was wonderfully effective?
 
Republicans seated a convicted January 6 insurrectionist and a QAnon devotee behind Dr. Fauci. He could not see them but when he was on camera so were they, making faces and mugging. When Dr. Fauci referred to the threats against his wife and children, they made mocking gestures. Republican party seems frozen in sixth grade making fun of unpopular kids.
 
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beast crnjo said:
The vaccine efficacy stats that were thrown about were an misleading mirage (intentionally in most cases). In a nutshell, it's a combination of healthy user bias and miscategorization error. The same CDC data that shows VE against covid also shows it causes a 70% reduction in car accidents. (that is healthy user bias). This data has all being laid out using publically available data from many countries.

The miscategorization error gives you the exact same "waning efficacy" curve. This statistical trick, is when you count covid deaths within 14 days of vaccination as an unvaccinated death in the numerator, but use the same population in the denominator of the vaccinated population in the equation for the vaccinated mortality. Anyone that understands basic math will see the problem with this.

If you don't believe this, simply step back and look at the amount of covid mortality and morbidity post vaccine rollout. It increased in nearly every country. So how on earth can you observe this blatant fact and still believe the vaccine was wonderfully effective?
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Phatguysrule said:
You can thank all of those who got vaccinated for the reduced pressure in the ER and the lives that were saved as a result.
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Wait, so were the hospitals turning people away to go die because of the unvaccinated hogging all the beds—or did the vaccinated ‘save the day’ by freeing up so many hospital beds? You’ve now claimed both, but both can’t really be true. You should pick one.

Spoiler alert: both are false.
 
jonnyboy said:
Wait, so were the hospitals turning people away to go die because of the unvaccinated hogging all the beds—or did the vaccinated ‘save the day’ by freeing up so many hospital beds? You’ve now claimed both, but both can’t really be true. You should pick one.

Spoiler alert: both are false.
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I didn't actually make either claim, but that's a nice try (well, I kinda made the second one, but of course the reality is more complicated than that).

The unvaccinated took up so many resources that hospitals were unable to provide anybody with the same level of care currently available. And yes, that cost many lives due to lack of care, inadequate care, and mistakes by overworked and fatigued healthcare workers.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
You can thank all of those who got vaccinated for the reduced pressure in the ER and the lives that were saved as a result.
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I don't think you're comprehending the conversation. So you revert back to talking points you've heard.

Do you realize that before 2021, 100% of the population was unvaccinated, because the vaccine didn't exist. Yet we had higher rates of covid, covid death, overall excess death, and hospital visits after the vaccine rollout.

The UK tracks data on hospital bed occupancy from year to year, and it actually went up in 2021. 2020 was actually lower than normal. This holds true when you look both the total and the overall %. So the vaccine worked and everything got worse once most of the population got it. Try using your brain for once rather than just repeating talking points like a lemming.
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Imagine thinking covid went UP because of the vaccine.

Please learn to read sentences with comprehension. Until then, I'll just laugh at them.
 
Strenuus said:
Imagine thinking covid went UP because of the vaccine.

Please learn to read sentences with comprehension. Until then, I'll just laugh at them.
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Take your own advise. I didn't say it went up because of the vaccine, I said it went up after the vaccine. The official government data doesn't dispute that. But you're ignorant of these basic facts then act all smug because you're repeating shit you heard on Rachel Maddow and The View.

Our 3 biggest peaks were post vaccine rollout, as are the cumulative numbers. This pattern holds in pretty much every country.
 
beast crnjo said:
I don't think you're comprehending the conversation. So you revert back to talking points you've heard.

Do you realize that before 2021, 100% of the population was unvaccinated, because the vaccine didn't exist. Yet we had higher rates of covid, covid death, overall excess death, and hospital visits after the vaccine rollout.

The UK tracks data on hospital bed occupancy from year to year, and it actually went up in 2021. 2020 was actually lower than normal. This holds true when you look both the total and the overall %. So the vaccine worked and everything got worse once most of the population got it. Try using your brain for once rather than just repeating talking points like a lemming.
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Because everyone was locked down before 2021... Social distancing was very effective.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Because everyone was locked down before 2021... Social distancing was very effective.
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Ok, now it seems you've conceded the point that covid and death got worse after vaccine rollout. But it was because of lockdowns. The effects of school closures on covid was actually well studied both in the US and in Europe and it was found to have no affect.

If your theory is correct, we should expect to see higher all cause mortality rates in 2020, in states that didn't issue stay at home orders right? They had no vaccines AND no lockdowns.

Utah is one of 7

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South Dakota was actually the worst. They had no closures except for schools.
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If you want to see a super left state for comparison here is Vermont
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And here is the ACM for the US Overall by hear. Can someone explain to me how this reflects any vaccine efficacy? The spike in the March of 2020 corresponds to the declaration of a pandemic, and the implementation of new medical protocols (and lockdowns).

It's interesting that we don't see these big spikes in areas that didn't issue lockdown orders. There are many countries who had absolutely so spike in death until vaccine rollout?

So what was really causing death?

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beast crnjo said:
Ok, now it seems you've conceded the point that covid and death got worse after vaccine rollout. But it was because of lockdowns. The effects of school closures on covid was actually well studied both in the US and in Europe and it was found to have no affect.

If your theory is correct, we should expect to see higher all cause mortality rates in 2020, in states that didn't issue stay at home orders right? They had no vaccines AND no lockdowns.

Utah is one of 7

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South Dakota was actually the worst. They had no closures except for schools.
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If you want to see a super left state for comparison here is Vermont
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Lol. You just listed a bunch of states with low populations. They were never going to impact overall numbers or get hit as hard early.

You can pull your cherry picked stats all you want, but it doesn't change anything.
 
beast crnjo said:
And here is the ACM for the US Overall by hear. Can someone explain to me how this reflects any vaccine efficacy? The spike in the March of 2020 corresponds to the declaration of a pandemic, and the implementation of new medical protocols (and lockdowns).

It's interesting that we don't see these big spikes in areas that didn't issue lockdown orders. There are many countries who had absolutely so spike in death until vaccine rollout?

So what was really causing death?

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Almost like places who weren't hit as hard didn't have to issue lockdowns...
 
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