Crash: 24 pts, 18 rebs, 5 assts, 1 block, 6 steals last night

[KingSpeed]

Why couldn't he play like that for us? That was the guy I thought we were getting from Charlotte.

 

[C_note]

Who gives a shit, we have a 4-6 lotto pick this year.

 

[crowTrobot]

Why couldn't he play like that for us?

because we didn't play the warriors every game

shooting .358 as a net

 

[crowTrobot]

Who gives a shit, we have a 4-6 lotto pick this year.

assuming they don't win the lottery it'll be 5-8. unfortunately we have little realistic chance at 4 and the nets are only 1 game back of 8th with some momentum.

 

[Denny Crane]

The nets are 12th seed and 8.5 games out of 8th seed.

 

[crowTrobot]

including last night wallace PER as a blazer 15.6, PER as a net 15.8

hickson PER as a king 10.0, PER as a blazer 25.5 : )

 

[crowTrobot]

The nets are 12th seed and 8.5 games out of 8th seed.

i meant 1 game from falling to 8th worst in the lottery not 8th seed in the playoffs, sorry.

 

[KingSpeed]

because we didn't play the warriors every game

shooting .358 as a net

Um. I saw us play the Warriors in person. Crash didn't play like that. Love the PER stat on JJ though. He's better than Aldridge.

 

[KingSpeed]

i meant 1 game from falling to 8th worst in the lottery not 8th seed in the playoffs, sorry.

I knew what you were talking about.

 

[illmatic99]

Why couldn't he play like that for us?

Their PG is Deron Williams. He had 20 assists last night.
Our PG is Raymond Felton.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Their PG is Deron Williams. He had 20 assists last night.
Our PG is Raymond Felton.

End of discussion. Thanks for playing.

Remember how much better, and how much more consistent Wallace was when we got him last year? The reason - Andre Miller >>>>> Raymond Felton. Wallace is best as a cutter/slasher who thrives with a PG who can deliver the ball to him in a position to get an easy look. He's not good as a spot up 3-point shooter, or creating his own shot off the dribble - unfortunately, that's how Nate tried to use him this year. We all saw the results.

BNM

 

[crowTrobot]

End of discussion. Thanks for playing.

Remember how much better, and how much more consistent Wallace was when we got him last year? The reason - Andre Miller >>>>> Raymond Felton. Wallace is best as a cutter/slasher who thrives with a PG who can deliver the ball to him in a position to get an easy look. He's not good as a spot up 3-point shooter, or creating his own shot off the dribble - unfortunately, that's how Nate tried to use him this year. We all saw the results.

BNM

your point about miller is valid, but wallace is shooting way WORSE as a Net than he ever did as a blazer, so i wouldn't say mentioning Deron is end of discussion.

maybe we should just re-sign miller and forget about deron. would save 50 million or so : )

 

[Boob-No-More]

your point about miller is valid, but wallace is shooting way WORSE as a Net than he ever did as a blazer, so i wouldn't say mentioning Deron is end of discussion.

maybe we should just re-sign miller and forget about deron. would save 50 million or so : )

As steady as Miller has been, and as gracefully as he's aged, I think he's finally getting very close to his "best if used by" date.

I wasn't referring to Wallace's play in NJ in general - just the specific game Kingspeed referenced. I expect his shooting percentage to improve as he gets used to playing with Deron. It's not like Wallace is a good shooter. He definitely needs to get easy baskets to help his shooting percentage, and I think he will get more of those in NJ than he did in Portland - once him and Deron get used to playing together.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

End of discussion. Thanks for playing.

Remember how much better, and how much more consistent Wallace was when we got him last year? The reason - Andre Miller >>>>> Raymond Felton. Wallace is best as a cutter/slasher who thrives with a PG who can deliver the ball to him in a position to get an easy look. He's not good as a spot up 3-point shooter, or creating his own shot off the dribble - unfortunately, that's how Nate tried to use him this year. We all saw the results.

BNM

Wallace is shooting 36% as a Net. He shot 47% with Felton as his PG. "Easy looks" uh huh. The only difference is that Wallace taking 3 more shots/game, while still making the same amount he did with Felton as his PG.

Nice theory, until you actually look at the stats.

Plus, Miller averaged an ~ an 18 PER with Nate as his coach, which is exactly his career PER number, so I'm trying to figure out how Nate misused him.

unfortunately, that's how Nate tried to use him this year. We all saw the results.

47% shooting with Felton as his PG versus 36% in NJ with Deron Williams. I think the results were actually better in Portland, considering Wallace is putting up a higher Usg% in NJ (21.2 v. 17.9 in PDX) with roughly the same PER.
End of discussion. Thanks for playing.

 

[Nikolokolus]

These kinds of games are going to get fewer and farther between. Good for Gerald doing his part keeping the Nyets out of prime top three pick territory but I wouldn't expect to see too many more of these kinds of games.

 

[jlprk]

Speaking of Gerald Wallace...I wonder how Camby's doing under the coach I wanted here?

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gametracker/recap/NBA_20120330_MEM@HOU/rockets-98-grizzlies-89

maybe we should just re-sign miller and forget about deron. would save 50 million or so

Not a bad idea!

 

[Boob-No-More]

Wallace is shooting 36% as a Net. He shot 47% with Felton as his PG. "Easy looks" uh huh. The only difference is that Wallace taking 3 more shots/game, while still making the same amount he did with Felton as his PG.

You seem to have a HUGE problem with reading comprehension and misusing stats.

First, as I already stated, my reference to Deron Williams was specific to the game that is in the subject line of this thread and addressing Kingspeed's question why couldn't Wallce produce like this for the Blazers. As I also stated, Wallace and Williams are still getting used to playing together. In other words, the sample size in New Jersey is still too small to draw any conclusions.

Second, in addressing the OPs question about why Wallace couldn't play like that for us, I stated:

"Remember how much better, and how much more consistent Wallace was when we got him last year? The reason - Andre Miller >>>>> Raymond Felton. Wallace is best as a cutter/slasher who thrives with a PG who can deliver the ball to him in a position to get an easy look."

The only valid response to that statement is a comparison of how Wallace shot last season with Andre Miller as his PG vs. how well he shot this season with Raymend Felton as his PG.

2010-11 with Andre Miller as PG, 2011-12 with Raymond Felton as PG:

Gerald Wallace shooting percentages:
FG% - .498, .472
3FG% - .338, .265
TS% - .590. .556
eFG% - .548, .502

So clearly, Wallace was a more efficient scorer and a more accurate shooter when Andre Miller was his PG last year than with Raymond Felton as his PG this year - and that's EXACTLY what I said.

Plus, Miller averaged an ~ an 18 PER with Nate as his coach, which is exactly his career PER number, so I'm trying to figure out how Nate misused him.

Again, reading comprehension problem. I didn't say Nate misused Miller, I said he misused Wallace:

"He's not good as a spot up 3-point shooter, or creating his own shot off the dribble - unfortunately, that's how Nate tried to use him this year."

In case that isn't clear enough for your tiny little brain to parse correctly, Andre Miller didn't play for Nate this year. So, if it wasn't already obvious enough, I was clearly referring to Nate's misuse of Gerald Wallace, not Andre Miller.

Before telling someone else to look at the stats, you may want to do the same - and actually address what was said, rather than go off on some unrelated tangential rant in yet another pathetic attempt to create a strawman argument - the only type of argument you are capable of "winning".

I'd thank you for playing, but you never even stepped up to the plate. Stick to the batting cages rookie, until you learn how to hit live pitching.

BNM

 

[MARIS61]

End of discussion. Thanks for playing.

Remember how much better, and how much more consistent Wallace was when we got him last year? The reason - Andre Miller >>>>> Raymond Felton. Wallace is best as a cutter/slasher who thrives with a PG who can deliver the ball to him in a position to get an easy look. He's not good as a spot up 3-point shooter, or creating his own shot off the dribble - unfortunately, that's how Nate tried to use him this year. We all saw the results.

BNM

As you point out, Nate didn't have much choice considering our huge downgrade at the point.

 

[MARIS61]

Wallace is shooting 36% as a Net. He shot 47% with Felton as his PG. "Easy looks" uh huh. The only difference is that Wallace taking 3 more shots/game, while still making the same amount he did with Felton as his PG.

Nice theory, until you actually look at the stats.

Plus, Miller averaged an ~ an 18 PER with Nate as his coach, which is exactly his career PER number, so I'm trying to figure out how Nate misused him.



47% shooting with Felton as his PG versus 36% in NJ with Deron Williams. I think the results were actually better in Portland, considering Wallace is putting up a higher Usg% in NJ (21.2 v. 17.9 in PDX) with roughly the same PER.
End of discussion. Thanks for playing.

Gerald touch the ball far less with Felton than he did with Miller, and almost never when he slashed. He played the same game as last year, but over and over this year he would slash but never receive the ball from Felton.

 

[THE HCP]

Imagine what this place would have been like if we traded Gerald for Hickson?

 

[B-Roy]

End of discussion. Thanks for playing.

Remember how much better, and how much more consistent Wallace was when we got him last year? The reason - Andre Miller >>>>> Raymond Felton. Wallace is best as a cutter/slasher who thrives with a PG who can deliver the ball to him in a position to get an easy look. He's not good as a spot up 3-point shooter, or creating his own shot off the dribble - unfortunately, that's how Nate tried to use him this year. We all saw the results.

BNM

Last year perhaps, but Wallace actually had his best seasons with Felton at the point.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Last year perhaps, but Wallace actually had his best seasons with Felton at the point.

Actually, Wallace had his best season, in terms of both PER and FG% when Charlotte ran with two PGs in the line-up. Brevin Knight was the primary distributor, but Felton and Knight played together a lot. So, Wallace had two guys feeding him for easy looks. Knight averaged 8.8 AST/G and Felton averaged 5.6 AST/G that season.

The highest TS% (.590) of Wallace's entire career was the partial season he played with Andre Miller last year, but to be fair he had a couple seasons in Charlotte that came close(.586 and .585) with Felton as his primary PG.

BNM

 

[C_note]

Someone got owned...

 

[C_note]

You know, I have a hard time understanding why some of you go to such great lengths with stats to prove someone wrong who obviously has no idea what he is talking about. It's not worth the effort to me.

 

[crowTrobot]

I wasn't referring to Wallace's play in NJ in general - just the specific game Kingspeed referenced.

he was 5-14 from 2P in that game, so doesn't matter. it was a great game for Wallace because of rebounding and defensive effort, not because Deron was feeding him as a cutter much better than Felton did or whatever.

 

[LameR]

He was misused.

 

[Boob-No-More]

he was 5-14 from 2P in that game, so doesn't matter. it was a great game for Wallace because of rebounding and defensive effort, not because Deron was feeding him as a cutter much better than Felton did or whatever.

Tonight Wallace was 8-12 and Deron had 15 assists. Wallace will continue to play better as him and Deron get used to playing together.

Wallace got off to a similar slow start when he was traded to Portland last year. He had a couple isolated good games, but shot poorly and did not start playing consistently well until about his 10th game in Portland.

BNM

 

[jlprk]

You know, I have a hard time understanding why some of you go to such great lengths with stats to prove someone wrong who obviously has no idea what he is talking about. It's not worth the effort to me.

You refer to the esteemed PapaG, he of of the wise signature choice.