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I'm simply thinking Vonleh will cost more. Pretty simple.

Edit: I also think Vonleh will command more in a trade.

Ed is still young and a hard working rough rider. He's a veteran who will come in and play his role. Plus I'd like to see what Swanigan can do as the backup.
Honestly, I probably agree with the idea of keeping Ed over Vonleh, but for a different reason. Vonleh costing more would be an argument in his favor IMO (because it suggests that he's worth more to the team long-term), except for one other factor: Collins.

If we expect Collins to be our long term answer at PF, keeping Vonleh because we expect him to be a quality starting PF seems counter-productive. Ed, however, projects to remain a backup center. With Collins as a long-term piece, Davis' role is more valuable to us going forward than Vonleh's is.
 
Honestly, I probably agree with the idea of keeping Ed over Vonleh, but for a different reason. Vonleh costing more would be an argument in his favor IMO (because it suggests that he's worth more to the team long-term), except for one other factor: Collins.

If we expect Collins to be our long term answer at PF, keeping Vonleh because we expect him to be a quality starting PF seems counter-productive. Ed, however, projects to remain a backup center. With Collins as a long-term piece, Davis' role is more valuable to us going forward than Vonleh's is.

I didn't make that point but it's really what I meant. We expect Collins to be the starter I'd say. Making Vonleh the odd man out because of Caleb IMHO. Davis should be our backup C for 15-20 mins a game.
 
I didn't make that point but it's really what I meant. We expect Collins to be the starter I'd say. Making Vonleh the odd man out because of Caleb IMHO. Davis should be our backup C for 15-20 mins a game.
Also, you're probably right in presuming that Vonleh's return would probably be greater as well. Primary risk is that Davis is UFA whereas Vonleh is RFA, so it's conceivable that we could end up without either, leaving Meyers as the backup center. I'm willing to risk that (bandwagon still rolling!!!), but are you?
 
Also, you're probably right in presuming that Vonleh's return would probably be greater as well. Primary risk is that Davis is UFA whereas Vonleh is RFA, so it's conceivable that we could end up without either, leaving Meyers as the backup center. I'm willing to risk that (bandwagon still rolling!!!), but are you?

I really don't see Davis leaving. :dunno:
 
I really don't see Davis leaving. :dunno:
Most likely, but if he keeps doin' dat dirty work, someone might well offer him a larger role and contract than we're willing to give him.
 
Is there a reason, though, why Vonleh can't be our backup C over Davis moving forward? Davis doesn't have any more size than Vonleh does. Obviously, there's the question of return in trade, adn new contract, but I like a 4 man rotation of Collins, Nurk, Vonleh, and Aminu going forward.
 
Honestly, I probably agree with the idea of keeping Ed over Vonleh, but for a different reason. Vonleh costing more would be an argument in his favor IMO (because it suggests that he's worth more to the team long-term), except for one other factor: Collins.

If we expect Collins to be our long term answer at PF, keeping Vonleh because we expect him to be a quality starting PF seems counter-productive. Ed, however, projects to remain a backup center. With Collins as a long-term piece, Davis' role is more valuable to us going forward than Vonleh's is.
I would say Noah (and Collins) both have the ability to switch between PF & C. I'd rather have more flexibility than less.

Ed could play PF, but really he's an undersized C.
 
A few other random names to look at, Mario Hezonjia, who's been discussed a ton on here, but fits a Neil type of move. MKG? Doesn't help our spacing at all, but could again be a sort of buy "low" or low-ish move, if Neil sees more there than he's shown so far. Finally, Jabari Parker. I dunno why Milwaukee moves him. But, maybe they fancy themselves as contenders, or close, this season, and don't think he plays a big role in that. Maybe he's the missing piece to get them what they need?
 
Parker torn his ACL two times, I dont want him nowhere near my team
 
I get that. It'd be a high risk, high reward chance. Is a 20 ppg scorer, he just needs to be on the floor. Who knows if he is ever able to stay there, however.
 
PG13 for Harkless/Leonard/Vonleh.

CJ for Blake Griffin and Pat Bev.

Dame/Bev
Turner/Patty
PG13/Aminu
Griffin/Collins
Nurk/Davis
 
@BonesJones Can you come up with something crazy that would get AD in Red and Black?

Anthony Davis and the Pelicans were an ascending team during the 14-15 season, reaching the playoffs before being swept by the Warriors.

"It feels like it's been 20 years," said Davis.

Since that run, there has been a new crop of future stars that have captured the imagination of NBA fans.

"I think about that all the time," Davis said. "I hear these TV shows and see social media. They say [Kristaps] Porzingis. They say Giannis [Antetokounmpo], Joel [Embiid]. And that's fine, I'll just play basketball.

"But it goes back to the winning thing, too, and well, what have they won? They're in the same boat as me. I just try to go out and play and not to worry much about it.

"... But it is personal. For sure, it's personal. When I play those games, they're talking about [Karl-Anthony] Towns, and they're talking about Porzingis and Giannis, and they're talking about me. Who is going to win this matchup? Who's going to win this game? I absolutely take it more personally."

Davis realizes that winning is what matters most in terms of how his career is defined.

"Winning. That's it. That's how you're judged," he said. "You can score, you can dominate. You can do whatever. But they calculate everything off winning. You know that. I know that. Everybody in the league knows that. I hear it all the time: 'Anthony is a good player, but he hasn't won anything. He's not a winner. He hasn't been to the playoffs in two years.'

"It bothers me. You know you're doing everything in your power to try and win. Playing through injuries, playing a ton of minutes, diving on the floor, but you just can't come up with enough wins to go to the playoffs. And it isn't enough just going to the playoffs. You want to make noise. You want to be a threat.

"People judge you. For DeMarcus and me, this is the time. The time is now."

Davis is in the second season of a five-year, $127 million contract that expires in 2021. Davis has been patient with the Pelicans and is comfortable with its market-size, but he also realizes they lack the depth and developing young talent to compete at a title level.

"You look at the Warriors, Cleveland, Boston," he said. "They lose Gordon [Hayward], they're still playing well. KD-Steph-Draymond-Klay. They play so well with each other. They move the basketball. They don't care who scores. Steph and Draymond are out, and they still won. KD is out. They still win.

"That's the way the league is now. I don't see anyone winning without three or four All-Stars. ... I was in the [MVP] conversation in my third year, and we didn't win. We went to the playoffs, got swept, and I dropped out of all that so fast. It's about winning. You can have all the numbers in the world, but you better win. That's what it is. This whole league, everything is about winning. Every award. Everything. It's all about winning."
 
Davis would cost us something like CJ, Vonleh, and a first.

I'd honestly just rather develop Collins. And I'm not against trading CJ.
 
Davis would cost us something like CJ, Vonleh, and a first.

I'd honestly just rather develop Collins. And I'm not against trading CJ.
If that deal would be accepted by New Orleans, I think you do it in a heartbeat. Start ET and Aminu at the wings and roll with a Lillard/Davis/Nurk big 3, still developing Collins as the primary backup big.

Man, I can't overstate how stoked I would be about that squad.
 
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-there-are-some-nba-trades-to-be-had/

The prevailing thought in NBA circles is the Hornets have to move off a salary, with forward Nic Batum, who can’t seem to get and stay healthy or swingman Michael Kidd-Gilchrist being candidates. Of the two, Kidd-Gilchrist is owed the least amount of money—$13 million a year for the next three years, which isn’t exactly a bargain.

The question for the Hornets is what else they would put into a deal to shed some cap dollars and get far enough under the tax line to add to the team next season?

The Hornets aren’t exactly brimming with promising and expendable young guys they’re willing to trade—rookie Malik Monk is a non-starter according to league sources. Its safe to say it would take a ton to get the Hornets to include fellow rookie Dwayne “Don’t call me Wade” Bacon.

The name to watch may be Frank Kaminsky, although he’s had a couple of really solid games as of late.

If the Hornets genuinely want to shed dollars and try and jump-start a floundering season, they may have little choice but to toss in some youth.

As things stand today, the Hornets are five games out of the eighth spot in the East and not exactly trending in a very good direction. This becomes a real issue when you consider that the face of the franchise, Kemba Walker, has just one more guaranteed year on his deal and has only played in 11 post-season games.

If the Hornets don’t want to find themselves in the same spot the Pacers were with Paul George, last season, they may have to do something.

The prevailing question is what will they really be open to?
 
Honestly the unibrow didn't drop out of favor because of being swept in the playoffs...he dropped out of favor because he couldn't stay on the court...he's had a ton of injuries and bad health for the last few seasons
 
Honestly the unibrow didn't drop out of favor because of being swept in the playoffs...he dropped out of favor because he couldn't stay on the court...he's had a ton of injuries and bad health for the last few seasons
And even factoring in games missed for health reasons, his impact on a team for a season far, far surpasses anyone on the Blazers not named Lillard, and nearly any combination of Blazers not including Lillard.

I'd gladly take 60 games of Davis any season. If Pelicans fans/management don't appreciate what he brings, even in limited appearances, they're fools.
 
And even factoring in games missed for health reasons, his impact on a team for a season far, far surpasses anyone on the Blazers not named Lillard, and nearly any combination of Blazers not including Lillard.

I'd gladly take 60 games of Davis any season. If Pelicans fans/management don't appreciate what he brings, even in limited appearances, they're fools.

Not sure I would... This is the whole reason Shaq was traded to the Heat.
 
@BonesJones Can you come up with something crazy that would get AD in Red and Black?

Anthony Davis and the Pelicans were an ascending team during the 14-15 season, reaching the playoffs before being swept by the Warriors.

"It feels like it's been 20 years," said Davis.

Since that run, there has been a new crop of future stars that have captured the imagination of NBA fans.

"I think about that all the time," Davis said. "I hear these TV shows and see social media. They say [Kristaps] Porzingis. They say Giannis [Antetokounmpo], Joel [Embiid]. And that's fine, I'll just play basketball.

"But it goes back to the winning thing, too, and well, what have they won? They're in the same boat as me. I just try to go out and play and not to worry much about it.

"... But it is personal. For sure, it's personal. When I play those games, they're talking about [Karl-Anthony] Towns, and they're talking about Porzingis and Giannis, and they're talking about me. Who is going to win this matchup? Who's going to win this game? I absolutely take it more personally."

Davis realizes that winning is what matters most in terms of how his career is defined.

"Winning. That's it. That's how you're judged," he said. "You can score, you can dominate. You can do whatever. But they calculate everything off winning. You know that. I know that. Everybody in the league knows that. I hear it all the time: 'Anthony is a good player, but he hasn't won anything. He's not a winner. He hasn't been to the playoffs in two years.'

"It bothers me. You know you're doing everything in your power to try and win. Playing through injuries, playing a ton of minutes, diving on the floor, but you just can't come up with enough wins to go to the playoffs. And it isn't enough just going to the playoffs. You want to make noise. You want to be a threat.

"People judge you. For DeMarcus and me, this is the time. The time is now."

Davis is in the second season of a five-year, $127 million contract that expires in 2021. Davis has been patient with the Pelicans and is comfortable with its market-size, but he also realizes they lack the depth and developing young talent to compete at a title level.

"You look at the Warriors, Cleveland, Boston," he said. "They lose Gordon [Hayward], they're still playing well. KD-Steph-Draymond-Klay. They play so well with each other. They move the basketball. They don't care who scores. Steph and Draymond are out, and they still won. KD is out. They still win.

"That's the way the league is now. I don't see anyone winning without three or four All-Stars. ... I was in the [MVP] conversation in my third year, and we didn't win. We went to the playoffs, got swept, and I dropped out of all that so fast. It's about winning. You can have all the numbers in the world, but you better win. That's what it is. This whole league, everything is about winning. Every award. Everything. It's all about winning."
CLE Gets: C.J. McCollum
NOP Gets: 2018 BKN 1st, 2018 POR 1st, 2020 POR 1st, 2022 POR 1st, Zach Collins, Shabazz Napier, Noah Vonleh, J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert
POR Gets: Anthony Davis
 
CLE Gets: C.J. McCollum
NOP Gets: 2018 BKN 1st, 2018 POR 1st, 2020 POR 1st, 2022 POR 1st, Zach Collins, Shabazz Napier, Noah Vonleh, J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert
POR Gets: Anthony Davis

lol. An oft-injured center with no recourse if he gets hurt any further. Good plan.
 
So far he's played 82% of available games in his career. I have no issue with that.

And he'd be our PF, 'cause we'd still have Nurk.

Fine, then.

An oft-injured PF with no recourse if he gets hurts any further. Good plan.

And btw, it's not about how many games he's missed, but the accumulation of these injuries.
 
Fine, then.

An oft-injured PF with no recourse if he gets hurts any further. Good plan.

And btw, it's not about how many games he's missed, but the accumulation of these injuries.

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This scares me. No full seasons ever. He's already missed 5 games this season.
 
Fine, then.

An oft-injured PF with no recourse if he gets hurts any further. Good plan.

And btw, it's not about how many games he's missed, but the accumulation of these injuries.
I'm tired of infield singles. I want to swing for the fences. Rather strike out on a big cut than end up continually stranded on second playing safe small-ball.
 

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