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OK, since John Wall is hurt, I am going to modify my proposed trade with Washington.

One variant: Turner, Napier and Nurkic for Oubre and Mahimni. Saves about 4 million, gets us a guy we hope will be a longterm solution at SF. Mahimni can share center position; at least the two GM's don't have to look at their mistakes every night.

Second variant: Harkless, Leonard, Nurkic, Napier for Oubre, Mahimni, Jason Smith. Saves five million immediately and Smith contract has one less year than Harkless and Leonard.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
OK, since John Wall is hurt, I am going to modify my proposed trade with Washington.

One variant: Turner, Napier and Nurkic for Oubre and Mahimni. Saves about 4 million, gets us a guy we hope will be a longterm solution at SF. Mahimni can share center position; at least the two GM's don't have to look at their mistakes every night.

Second variant: Harkless, Leonard, Nurkic, Napier for Oubre, Mahimni, Jason Smith. Saves five million immediately and Smith contract has one less year than Harkless and Leonard.
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Hell no to all of them. Replacing Nurk with Mahinmi? What?!
 
BonesJones said:
Hell no to all of them. Replacing Nurk with Mahinmi? What?!
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Well, one only makes this trade if they have already made a decision to not re-sign Nurkic and they believe Oubre has the potential to be an upper tier SF. I don't think I myself have enough information to make that decision.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Well, one only makes this trade if they have already made a decision to not re-sign Nurkic and they believe Oubre has the potential to be an upper tier SF. I don't think I myself have enough information to make that decision.
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Well if we weren't going to resign Nurk, why would we pay Mahinmi 16M a year? We could possibly get Oubre without giving up Nurk. Naplier+Connaughton+Vonleh+2nd for Oubre and Smith has a chance of working. They need a PG now that Wall is out and they need more bench help.
 
So if Chicago was willing to trade Mirotic for Asik and a 1st, I wonder if it's possible for us to trade Turner and a 1st for Mirotic and Pondexter. Slightly worse deal for CHI but we'd pick up Mirotics option.

We could then go do this:
UTA Gets: Napier (INJ EXC), Vonleh
MEM Gets: Hood (TPE), Harkless
POR Gets: Evans, Ennis, Chalmers

We'd shed $8.5M now, swap out Vonlehs and Napiers expirings for Evans expiring, and shed $15M in salary for next year, while only giving up a pick and getting better.

Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (24) / Evans (10) / Pat (14)
Evans (23) / Aminu (17) / Ennis (8)
Aminu (10) / Mirotic (27) / Collins (11)
Nurkic (25) / Davis (20) / Collins (3)

Our only bad contract would be Leonard's, and wed have our full MLE to try to resign Tyreke. If not, we could replace him with anther decent FA wing, trade for one, or go with Aminu and Mirotic at the forward spots.

If we traded Leonard and Mirotic at seasons end, we'd have around $30M in cap space if someone legit wants to come here. If not, were fine as constructed. Mirotic has shown he can get a 1st, which we could attach to Leonard. We'd have legitimate flexibility.
 
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Tyreke Evans has been great this season and I think he could actually be re-signed for a full MLE next season but plenty of teams will be in the market for him. I think he will go to Celtics eventually, and if not then Philadelphia.
 
Sarni said:
Tyreke Evans has been great this season and I think he could actually be re-signed for a full MLE next season but plenty of teams will be in the market for him. I think he will go to Celtics eventually, and if not then Philadelphia.
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Why would he go to BOS? They'll have Kyrie, Hayward, Brown, Tatum, Smart, and Rozier.
 
BonesJones said:
Why would he go to BOS? They'll have Kyrie, Hayward, Brown, Tatum, Smart, and Rozier.
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Hayward is injured and won't play this season. They need scoring off the bench and he could provide that. He'd easily get 25-30 minutes a night in their rotation, slotting in at both shooting guard and small forward. Smart would play only point guard then.

Irving / Smart / Rozier
Brown / Evans / Smart
Tatum / Evans / Morris
Horford / Tatum / Morris
Baynes / Horford / Theis

It's beautiful and offers so many possibilities. You can go small ball with JT at 4 and Horford at 5, you can go big with Al and Baynes in front of JT, you can go for a lockdown defense with Brown and Smart in the backcourt. Perfection.
 
I would love if we could pick up Hezonja from Magic in the summer. He's better than Pat, but we should get rid of Turner first.
 
BonesJones said:
So if Chicago was willing to trade Mirotic for Asik and a 1st, I wonder if it's possible for us to trade Turner and a 1st for Mirotic and Pondexter. Slightly worse deal for CHI but we'd pick up Mirotics option.

We could then go do this:
UTA Gets: Napier (INJ EXC), Vonleh
MEM Gets: Hood (TPE), Harkless
POR Gets: Evans, Ennis, Chalmers

We'd shed $8.5M now, swap out Vonlehs and Napiers expirings for Evans expiring, and shed $15M in salary for next year, while only giving up a pick and getting better.

Lillard (36) / McCollum (12)
McCollum (24) / Evans (10) / Pat (14)
Evans (23) / Aminu (17) / Ennis (8)
Aminu (10) / Mirotic (27) / Collins (11)
Nurkic (25) / Davis (20) / Collins (3)

Our only bad contract would be Leonard's, and wed have our full MLE to try to resign Tyreke. If not, we could replace him with anther decent FA wing, trade for one, or go with Aminu and Mirotic at the forward spots.

If we traded Leonard and Mirotic at seasons end, we'd have around $30M in cap space if someone legit wants to come here. If not, were fine as constructed. Mirotic has shown he can get a 1st, which we could attach to Leonard. We'd have legitimate flexibility.
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That second trade seems kind of complicated just to net us Evans. Actually didn't work on the trade machine. And I can't see how it gives Memphis incentive to take on Harkless. It seems like earlier you had a more simple trade for Evans. Like just Harkless for those three but we need to include our first round pick?
 
I definitely don't see a trade of any consequence happening for the Blazers now. We're playing our best basketball now.
 
tlongII said:
I definitely don't see a trade of any consequence happening for the Blazers now. We're playing our best basketball now.
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Hopefully Olshey is smarter than that. We’re beating short handed/weaker teams.
 
All the trades I've seen that are reasonable would make us worse this season, not better. We have a good shot at getting HCA in the 1st round so I don't see us weakening the team.
 
tlongII said:
All the trades I've seen that are reasonable would make us worse this season, not better. We have a good shot at getting HCA in the 1st round so I don't see us weakening the team.
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Which proposals did you see that qualified as reasonable?
What type of deal would make us better this season?
 
tlongII said:
All the trades I've seen that are reasonable would make us worse this season, not better. We have a good shot at getting HCA in the 1st round so I don't see us weakening the team.
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That’s a very short term view. Even if we got HCA, do you actually see us winning four times against a Houston, San Antonio, or Golden State?

And then once we’re inevitably eliminated, then what? We lose someone like Napier for nothing?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Which proposals did you see that qualified as reasonable?
What type of deal would make us better this season?
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Which proposals did you see that qualified as reasonable?

I'm not going to take the time to dig them up, but they involved dumping contracts or players for little in return. Some were even for trading for a currently injured player.


What type of deal would make us better this season?

We would be better if we traded for a quality wing without giving up too much (i.e. Collins, Nurk, CJ, Dame).
 
Scalma said:
That’s a very short term view. Even if we got HCA, do you actually see us winning four times against a Houston, San Antonio, or Golden State?

And then once we’re inevitably eliminated, then what? We lose someone like Napier for nothing?
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Too early to say. I think our team is improving and you never know when one of those teams will have a key injury. Houston and San Antonio are beatable now in my opinion.
 
Rhal said:
I think the likelyhood of htem trading him goes down because now they might get him to resign regardless because other teams will be scared to offer him a max with that kind of injury.
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Are we forgetting Wes (far inferior player) got a max deal after his Achilles injury?
 
We're ok with being mediocre and would never want to take a chance like the Pistons did.
 
tlongII said:
What type of deal would make us better this season?

We would be better if we traded for a quality wing without giving up too much (i.e. Collins, Nurk, CJ, Dame).
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So none of the proposed deals for Evans (eg, Napier/Vonleh/pick) seemed reasonable? Or do you just not like Evans as a quality wing?

I assume you don't think we have sufficient assets to pry Kelly Oubre out of Washington? Or Fournier out of Orlando? And just not interested in trying to get Courtney Lee from the Knicks?

Not trying to be argumentative here; just trying to get a read on your perspective on desirable targets and Portland's assets so as to set the table for further discussion.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
So none of the proposed deals for Evans (eg, Napier/Vonleh/pick) seemed reasonable? Or do you just not like Evans as a quality wing?

I assume you don't think we have sufficient assets to pry Kelly Oubre out of Washington? Or Fournier out of Orlando? And just not interested in trying to get Courtney Lee from the Knicks?

Not trying to be argumentative here; just trying to get a read on your perspective on desirable targets and Portland's assets so as to set the table for further discussion.
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I would not give up our 1st round pick and I don't see any of those deals as being reasonable without it.
 
Scalma said:
Not what either of us were talking about.
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Well, kind of. I was trying to suss out his idea of a reasonable deal. If Oubre's an untouchable in Washington, then it doesn't really matter if we'd offer a first for him.
 
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