Cronin media press conference (1 Viewer)

[BonesJones]

you could have 1 million viewers, your take on his press conference is still shit. I’d rather my GM not sell me a dream (best roster ever!)

So then whyd you bring up Youtube if it's not relevant?

 

[Scalma]

So then whyd you bring up Youtube if it's not relevant?

so I don’t have to read it here.

 

[BonesJones]

You are talking in circles. You asked if we could include future firsts, the answer is "of course we can." I never said we should do it, and it would entirely depend on what's being offered, but they certainly can be available if we need them to be.

And in saying that we need "multiple high-caliber starters" to trade for a star, are you suggesting that you think us having Norm, RoCo, and CJ around would facilitate us trading for a star? Or that somehow they would have been able to get us back these "high-caliber players" that would be useful in a trade for a star? I guess if that's where you are coming from, there is not much more to discuss.

Right now, we CANNOT trade future 1sts. Trading future 1sts is completely dependent upon another trade or pick amendments. It's not a viable route.

I'm not saying we could've traded those guys directly for a star, but if we could've gotten proper value back in the way of picks we could've consilated that value into similar caliber players (if not better) that balance the roster better.

We couldn't get a forward that's the same level of play let as Norm for the value we got back for Norm AND RoCo. Where are we going make up for that gap in value?

 

[BonesJones]

so I don’t have to read it here.

Well I advise that you stop caring about my opinion.

 

[B-Roy]

My theory:

They are going to try and add an impact player or two all the way up until all the free agents have signed. If they cannot get anything, they will trade Dame and start the rebuild. These moves give us the flexibility to possibly add some impact players one way or another down the line, but once all the dust settles on the major moves in the off-season, that will give a clearer picture to the team and to Dame whether or not it's worth continuing the relationship. If nothing materializes I think it will be a mutual decision to part ways.

 

[BonesJones]

But the Blazers did not sell the house for less than what it is worth. They just ripped off the bathroom that was leaking and costing them too much money to keep functional. In the meantime - they have to live with only 2 bathrooms instead of 3 - while the main one is being rebuilt to hopefully a much higher standard. (BTW, the home-remodeling thread in the OT section shows that this is exactly what we are doing with out bathroom now - and I do not like living with less bathrooms and workers treading through the house and the noise of the jackhammers - but I am ok with it - because I believe it will become a better house once all that noise and pain is done with.

That bathroom would be a negative asset. None of the guys we traded were negative assets.

 

[illmatic99]

Watching the PC now: Thank GOD that I didn't have to watch this live and had a breather during my meeting.

Cronin looks so out of his depth as the head guy

 

[maxiep]

I am talking about the demo of our bathroom - you are talking about a complete demo of a house. There is nothing worth saving from what we demoed from our bathroom - it does not mean that we do not love our house and want to keep it.

But, I think we are going in circles here. The Blazers have a plan and are making some sacrifices to try and execute it. I have less issues with every step - you are not and that's fine.

Nope. I'm talking about the demo of a bathroom. This is the problem when you have no idea what you're talking about. A moron just takes a sledgehammer to a room. A craftsman knows how to remove the valuable parts and deconstruct a room neatly.

 

[MickZagger]

Scalma’s a ride or die bitch. I guess every fan base needs one.

 

[andalusian]

Nope. I'm talking about the demo of a bathroom. This is the problem when you have no idea what you're talking about. A moron just takes a sledgehammer to a room. A craftsman knows how to remove the valuable parts and deconstruct a room neatly.

I have a pretty good idea of what was salvagable from our bathroom. My argument remains that you overvalued what the Blazers traded, but we can agree to disagree about that.

 

[Mediocre Man]

My theory:

They are going to try and add an impact player or two all the way up until all the free agents have signed. If they cannot get anything, they will trade Dame and start the rebuild. These moves give us the flexibility to possibly add some impact players one way or another down the line, but once all the dust settles on the major moves in the off-season, that will give a clearer picture to the team and to Dame whether or not it's worth continuing the relationship. If nothing materializes I think it will be a mutual decision to part ways.

Decent theory

 

[maxiep]

I have a pretty good idea of what was salvagable from our bathroom. My argument remains that you overvalued what the Blazers traded, but we can agree to disagree about that.

My guess is you don't. You think you do, but you don't understand how to extract maximum value from a renovation.

 

[andalusian]

My guess is you don't. You think you do, but you don't understand how to extract maximum value from a renovation.

Oh, I can assure you that my work is much more lucrative than trying to extract every penny from the old junk in our 70s bathroom. I am 100% certain that it was not worth my time (or my wife's) to do so - which is exactly what I suspect the Blazers seemed to do in this scenario with these trades. I have no problems leaving 20 cents of value if it allows me to earn a dollar.

This has been my entire argument the whole time - I am not that worried about extracting every cent from every transaction.

It might have some value for some, but it costs me more to try and extract it.

 

[Natebishop3]

our mediocre role players

BB come on man...... you really think Norm was a mediocre role player? Really?

 

[PCmor7]

The ghost of Olshey lives!

I think that would just be "Tool."

 

[BonesJones]

Oh, I can assure you that my work is much more lucrative than trying to extract every penny from the old junk in our 70s bathroom. I am 100% certain that it was not worth my time (or my wife's) to do so - which is exactly what I suspect the Blazers seemed to do in this scenario with these trades. I have no problems leaving 20 cents of value if it allows me to earn a dollar.

This has been my entire argument the whole time - I am not that worried about extracting every cent from every transaction.

It might have some value for some, but it costs me more to try and extract it.

What's a conceivable path that could make us better over the next two years as a result of this year's trade deadline?

 

[Natebishop3]

What's a conceivable path that could make us better over the next two years as a result of this year's trade deadline?

We get new ownership

 

[Hoopguru]

Oh, I can assure you that my work is much more lucrative than trying to extract every penny from the old junk in our 70s bathroom. I am 100% certain that it was not worth my time (or my wife's) to do so - which is exactly what I suspect the Blazers seemed to do in this scenario with these trades. I have no problems leaving 20 cents of value if it allows me to earn a dollar.

This has been my entire argument the whole time - I am not that worried about extracting every cent from every transaction.

It might have some value for some, but it costs me more to try and extract it.

I really think some people enjoy the hoopla leading up to deadline and draft and being analytical, more so than watching and enjoy the game & league.

 

[Natebishop3]

Apparently our fans will overrate our players right until they're off the team and then they're worthless bums.

 

[andalusian]

What's a conceivable path that could make us better over the next two years as a result of this year's trade deadline?

They told you what they are trying to do - rebalance the roster. By having cap space, draft capital and short term contracts they have tools they can try to do that. If they succeed or if they become a contender - I have no way of knowing - nor do they. But at least they have some tools to do so now - and they did not before.

 

[maxiep]

Oh, I can assure you that my work is much more lucrative than trying to extract every penny from the old junk in our 70s bathroom. I am 100% certain that it was not worth my time (or my wife's) to do so - which is exactly what I suspect the Blazers seemed to do in this scenario with these trades. I have no problems leaving 20 cents of value if it allows me to earn a dollar.

This has been my entire argument the whole time - I am not that worried about extracting every cent from every transaction.

It might have some value for some, but it costs me more to try and extract it.

Good for you!

Here's the problem. Using this metaphor, the bathroom is all the Blazers have. They have to extract every bit of copper, steel, cast iron and vintage fixtures they can. They have to repurpose studs into new pieces of blocking. They don't have the luxury of their "lucrative" work (color me impressed!) to go and purchase other assets. And I don't care if in Joe's mind, it wasn't worth the time or the effort, expending that time and effort is his job. He has no opportunity cost metric.

The Blazers don't have the considerable luxury you have, by being able to waste draft picks or get less talent in return for our limited assets. You may not be concerned with extracting every cent from every transaction, but in the NBA that's the primary way you build a winning franchise.

 

[Natebishop3]

What would I do if I had the power to go back in time?

I wouldn't win the lottery.

I wouldn't bet on sports.

I wouldn't buy stock or property.

I would come on this forum five months ago and propose these two trades and laugh as everyone (and I mean everyone) on this forum calls me a know-nothing moron.

 

[PCmor7]

Or, new Orleans was offering less because they knew that deal was getting us out of the tax. Getting out beforehand removed that leverage.

Yeah, but it would have felt better if we got Sofia Jamora, I mean Jaxson Hayes.

 

[BonesJones]

They told you what they are trying to do - rebalance the roster. By having cap space, draft capital and short term contracts they have tools they can try to do that. If they succeed or if they become a contender - I have no way of knowing - nor do they. But at least they have some tools to do so now - and they did not before.

So you can't even come up with a single idea out of this (now worse) mess? You're just buying everything they feed you no matter what? What tools? Cap Space in a horrible free agent class when we're Portland? That'll go great.

 

[andalusian]

Good for you!

Here's the problem. Using this metaphor, the bathroom is all the Blazers have. They have to extract every bit of copper, steel, cast iron and vintage fixtures they can. They have to repurpose studs into new pieces of blocking. They don't have the luxury of their "lucrative" work (color me impressed!) to go and purchase other assets. And I don't care if in Joe's mind, it wasn't worth the time or the effort, expending that time and effort is his job. He has no opportunity cost metric.

The Blazers don't have the considerable luxury you have, by being able to waste draft picks or get less talent in return for our limited assets. You may not be concerned with extracting every cent from every transaction, but in the NBA that's the primary way you build a winning franchise.

Well, I disagree that's all they have.

They have Dame that they hope will go back to superstar status once he is healthy, they have Simons that they believe in and the trade gave him more on court time, they have Nas that they believe in (again, the Roco trade in theory opened some time there), they seem to believe they can resign Nurk which has a positive value (even if it is not as high as some here believe).

I believe that the Blazers have a depreciating asset (Dame's prime) and that moving quickly to rebuild around him with the other assets they have (Simons, Nas, Supposedly Nurk) before it is not worth doing it. That's what they might have lost if they tried to extract every penny from every less critical asset they have.

I still think that the analogy I made makes a lot of sense - but it's ok if we disagree on this.

 

[PCmor7]

We get new ownership

And every other team self-destructs.

 

[Blazinaway]

So you can't even come up with a single idea out of this (now worse) mess? You're just buying everything they feed you no matter what? What tools? Cap Space in a horrible free agent class when we're Portland? That'll go great.

For me if they can play the type of Bball that I saw last night, effort/passing etc then I will be a lot more happy to watch games then the crap ass ISO ball of the C/Dame pas 2-3 yrs especially

 

[Natebishop3]

So you can't even come up with a single idea out of this (now worse) mess? You're just buying everything they feed you no matter what? What tools? Cap Space in a horrible free agent class when we're Portland? That'll go great.

There's no plan here. We have hardly any actual assets. The plan was clearly to cut costs. I feel like this idea that they're going to build around Dame is a total farce.

 

[andalusian]

So you can't even come up with a single idea out of this (now worse) mess? You're just buying everything they feed you no matter what? What tools? Cap Space in a horrible free agent class when we're Portland? That'll go great.

Correct. I am not a GM or analyst nor do I play one on TV - but I can see that for the first time in years there is actually a plan to get better where it matters (roster construction) - so as a fan, that makes me happy. Luckily my life is not wrapped in the Blazers to the point that if this plan fails - I would be depressed.

 

[maxiep]

Well, I disagree that's all they have.

They have Dame that they hope will go back to superstar status once he is healthy, they have Simons that they believe in and the trade gave him more on court time, they have Nas that they believe in (again, the Roco trade in theory opened some time there), they seem to believe they can resign Nurk which has a positive value (even if it is not as high as some here believe).

I believe that the Blazers have a depreciating asset (Dame's prime) and that moving quickly to rebuild around him with the other assets they have (Simons, Nas, Supposedly Nurk) before it is not worth doing it. That's what they might have lost if they tried to extract every penny from every less critical asset they have.

I still think that the analogy I made makes a lot of sense - but it's ok if we disagree on this.

Yes. We disagree.