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Natebishop3 said:
There's no plan here. We have hardly any actual assets. The plan was clearly to cut costs. I feel like this idea that they're going to build around Dame is a total farce.
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It is. It has to be. There's no way any of this makes sense. Dame is the marketing piece for a future sale. New ownership can decide whether or not we're better off keeping him. Winning and losing did not factor into these moves.
 
maxiep said:
It is. It has to be. There's no way any of this makes sense. Dame is the marketing piece for a future sale. New ownership can decide whether or not we're better off keeping him. Winning and losing did not factor into these moves.
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Yup. I half wonder if they tried to give Neil these marching orders and he refused, which led to the witch hunt.
 
Finished the whole thing. Thought it was fine, nothing ground breaking was revealed. A bit more refreshing than the high-tension Olshey pressers.

The only comment to make me raise my eyebrow was "multiple offseason" to describe the duration of the rebuild. If we don't look substantially better by the start of training camp 2022, that's a no-no from me. And we should be jettisoning Dame for as many assets as possible before sinking us with that 107 mil extension.

Also, the media sucks at asking the right questions.
 
illmatic99 said:
Finished the whole thing. Thought it was fine, nothing ground breaking was revealed. A bit more refreshing than the high-tension Olshey pressers.

The only comment to make me raise my eyebrow was "multiple offseason" to describe the duration of the rebuild. If we don't look substantially better by the start of training camp 2022, that's a no-no from me. And we should be jettisoning Dame for as many assets as possible before sinking us with that 107 mil extension.

Also, the media sucks at asking the right questions.
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I would think that multiple off-seasons to get to contender status is reasonable - to have one or two years with Dame still playing like a superstar. I also agree that if we do not look substantially better next year - it is probably time to go for a full rebuild.
 
Natebishop3 said:
BB come on man...... you really think Norm was a mediocre role player? Really?
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statistically he's about average or a ways above. He has a career 14.6 PER when the league average is 15.0; but he's been closer to 16.0 the last 3 years. He has a career .100 winshare/48 which is right at the NBA average. He has a negative career BPM. He does have a career TS% of .587 when the league average is around.560; and he's been at or above .600 the last 4 seasons. He's an efficient scorer because he hovers around a 40% 3ptFG% and gets to the foul line at a high rate, and shoots a high percentage when he gets there. He's well above average as a scorer, but below average as an assist-making guard. He's a weak rebounder for his position(s). And he's a little below average as a defender IMO

overall I'd say he's above average player and an average starter, but that's certainly better than mediocre
 
Scalma said:
you could have 1 million viewers, your take on his press conference is still shit. I’d rather my GM not sell me a dream (best roster ever!)
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I don't think the starters are worse than last years:

We had: Lillard/McCollum/N. Powell/R. Covington/J. Nurkic
If we make no changes, the starters are: Lillard/Simons* (FA)/Little*/Hart/Nurkic* (FA)

One poster said that Hart played PF for NOP, if he can do that, then I think...

Simons/Little/Hart MIGHT be better than CJ/Powell/Covington
 
Natebishop3 said:
What would I do if I had the power to go back in time?

I wouldn't win the lottery.

I wouldn't bet on sports.

I wouldn't buy stock or property.

I would come on this forum five months ago and propose these two trades and laugh as everyone (and I mean everyone) on this forum calls me a know-nothing moron.
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I'm pretty sure just about all of us have been called that at one time or the other and we didn't need time travel to get there

but if I went back in time I'm for fucking damn sure going to win at least one lottery. In fact I'll go back to the beginning of 2015, win 67 million in the lottery(s), investor's choice, and buy 100,000 shares of bitcoin at 250/share, then sell them all last year at 60K/share. That's 4.5B after capitol gains tax. And I'll send each one of you dumb fucks 100K because I can.

That's what I'll do when I hop in the wayback machine, while you go back 5 months and post trade ideas here
 
BonesJones said:
Right now, we CANNOT trade future 1sts. Trading future 1sts is completely dependent upon another trade or pick amendments. It's not a viable route.

I'm not saying we could've traded those guys directly for a star, but if we could've gotten proper value back in the way of picks we could've consilated that value into similar caliber players (if not better) that balance the roster better.

We couldn't get a forward that's the same level of play let as Norm for the value we got back for Norm AND RoCo. Where are we going make up for that gap in value?
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Perhaps you and I differ on how we view Norm Powell's contributions to winning basketball. I think it's very likely that we did get proper value (with an emphasis on cap cleaning) back for Norm and RoCo.
 
Joe Cronin talks like he's a therapist haha.
 
BonesJones said:
Unprotecting our pick next year so that we could trade future 1sts when there's a good chance this rebuild could take multiple years by Cronin's own admission? That's not a really bad idea.

Trading Simons makes sense if we only get a star, and I don't think we're going to get one for him by trading him outright. We need multiple high-caliber starters and right now we only have one, and possibly two with Ant. Trading Ant doesn't fix that problem.
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Them hiring Chauncey and giving Joe some new responsibilities has always been about executing a 1-3-5 year objective plan (all corporations do and review each years for revisions) knock off the changes and success they are wanting to achieve. With regard to Dame, he has agreed to stay on for time being and expressed confidence in Chauncey and Joe. Sure that can change or maybe it works? but know that factor is built into what they want to accomplish. Dame may decide down the road he wants a change and the blazers may decide to trade him. Its possible at any point for both parties to change course. Joe being the interim GM is also a part of Jody & Berts plan to bring about new change with him or without. This whole deal is not static at all.
As they say, nothing is constant but the speed of light. Im actually looking forward to watching this team compete from here on out, without any expectations of playoffs, draft, championship just good old roundball.
See, I dont think these guys or the team are having meetings about tanking and shit like that only going out and trying to justify their existence as an NBA player.
 
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Wizard Mentor said:
I don't think the starters are worse than last years:

We had: Lillard/McCollum/N. Powell/R. Covington/J. Nurkic
If we make no changes, the starters are: Lillard/Simons* (FA)/Little*/Hart/Nurkic* (FA)

One poster said that Hart played PF for NOP, if he can do that, then I think...

Simons/Little/Hart MIGHT be better than CJ/Powell/Covington
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All I know is the guys they got play more like what Billups wants. Hart seems like a great fit for his scheme, probably more so than CJ even if CJ is the better player in a vacuum. Keon is another, he has a rather high defensive ceiling.

Nas is also a better fit at SF than Powell and Ant is a better playmaker than CJ while showing more defensive potential. I understand the moves Cronin made and why he made them; he valued flexibility over current ability. So it’s really impossible to grade any of his moves until we see what he does with that flexibility this offseason, next deadline, etc. This isn’t all gonna be fixed in one summer and I appreciate that he isn’t selling me some bullshit like it will. It’s funny, people cried about Olsheys lack of transparency, but when they get it from Cronin they cry anyway. Whatever.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yup. I half wonder if they tried to give Neil these marching orders and he refused, which led to the witch hunt.
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A scenario where Olshey wasn't kissing ownerships ass? That's nearly impossible for me to believe.
 
I was not one of the people the last few years saying we needed to do something different, ANYTHING different, for the sake of change. Yet here were are, new coach, new GM, and a new direction and some of the same people are upset about the changes.
 
BonesJones said:
What's a conceivable path that could make us better over the next two years as a result of this year's trade deadline?
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Cap space, trade exceptions, lottery picks, a lack of bloated contracts, and the most flexibility this roster has seen in 6+ years.

Are those things a slam dunk to a contender? Not at all. Did Olshey have us locked on path into 1st/2nd round exits (no playoffs this year)? Yep.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What would I do if I had the power to go back in time?

I wouldn't win the lottery.

I wouldn't bet on sports.

I wouldn't buy stock or property.

I would come on this forum five months ago and propose these two trades and laugh as everyone (and I mean everyone) on this forum calls me a know-nothing moron.
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Not me bruh. I'd have had your back.
 
What concerns me is that it sounds like Cronin has sold everyone on a multiple season rebuild, which seems like it ensures that he’ll become the permanent GM.

I want him gone, so right now I’m just trying to figure out what the inflection points would be where he could reasonably be fired and replaced with a real GM. Here’s the list in chronological order, I think:

1. After the season ends but before the draft/FA period (seems unlikely).

2. Before the start of next season if we have a disappointing offseason (possible but unfortunately this also seems unlikely).

3. We get off to a horrible start next year (maybe).

4. We suck next year and don’t make the playoffs (probably here it happens, unless he’s sold people on the new draft picks needing time to pan out and the rebuild needing multiple offseasons to succeed).

5. The beginning of the 2023 season if we get off to a bad start. (Almost certainly)
 
maxiep said:
It's clear the only goal was to get under the tax. These transactions weren't about present or future talent, but about maximizing value. The team will be sold and that ownership group will make the decision on Dame. His marketability is the only reason he isn't gone for a bag of chips.
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Yeah it all being about Jody and Vulcan is pretty transparent to me unless/until we get an Allstar PF who is a top shelf defender.
 
TBpup said:
Basically, right out of the box.

'Didn't have player that he and Chauncy thought were winning players.'
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Chauncy's opinions of players may have had too much effect. I think he didn't really like Powell.
 
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