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Billups' participation in this presser and how Cronin acknowledged his input shows further that he has much stronger influence on personnel decisions than Stotts had.
Another thing I was thinking about is how in the past Olshey always talked about "culture". But what did that mean? I think we now have a clearer idea of what kind of culture Billups wants; guys who compete all out, guys who will play the type of ball he wants them to play, and guys who play defense, especially within the team defense concept.

Agree it's quite disconcerting him talking about wanting to keep Ingles and wanting to make CJ happy. (Although I have thought for two years that New Orleans is the place that needed CJ the most, so I don't know if that was BS or not)
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Billups' participation in this presser and how Cronin acknowledged his input shows further that he has much stronger influence on personnel decisions than Stotts had.
Another thing I was thinking about is how in the past Olshey always talked about "culture". But what did that mean? I think we now have a clearer idea of what kind of culture Billups wants; guys who compete all out, guys who will play the type of ball he wants them to play, and guys who play defense, especially within the team defense concept.

Agree it's quite disconcerting him talking about wanting to keep Ingles and wanting to make CJ happy. (Although I have thought for two years that New Orleans is the place that needed CJ the most, so I don't know if that was BS or not)
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You don't think the line about working with and communicating with one of your big money players when it was time for him to move on wasn't intended for future free agent courtships?
 
I like all speculation what's going to happen now and the future. Who ever on this team I will support them it doesn't matter if there not good or is a star. Makes me laugh when guys there smartest people in the room has a normal job or job while these guys that don't meet the expectations making millions.
 
Tince said:
You don't think the line about working with and communicating with one of your big money players when it was time for him to move on wasn't intended for future free agent courtships?
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Maybe, but I wonder how much weight a prospective FA would give it?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Maybe, but I wonder how much weight a prospective FA would give it?
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Probably very little. I think the majority of what is said at press conferences like this is posturing to some degree. You never hear a GM come out and say "we were so excited to get rid of (x)" or "the guy we got wasn't our first choice, but this was the best we could get." Cronin might've be slightly more honest than most, but like the coaches post game press conferences, their answers are very calculated.
 
andalusian said:
I would think that multiple off-seasons to get to contender status is reasonable - to have one or two years with Dame still playing like a superstar. I also agree that if we do not look substantially better next year - it is probably time to go for a full rebuild.
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When you say substantially better do you mean from the Dame/CJ era or from this nonsense that we've seen this season?
 
blazerkor said:
When you say substantially better do you mean from the Dame/CJ era or from this nonsense that we've seen this season?
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I would say substantially better than last season. If we aren't legitimately in the conversation of winning it all. It's probably time to ask Dame how he's feeling about things.

Does he want to take a pay cut to win a title?
 
BonesJones said:
Joe Cronin's Press Conference Recap:
- Eric Bledsoe is a quality veteran
- Didi Louzada is a good young player
- The Norm/RoCo trade was the "best deal we could get" despite it being 6 days before the deadline and multiple GMs calling bullshit
- Apparently did the RoCo/Norm trade so that the Blazers being in the luxury tax couldn't be leveraged against them when he had a C.J. trade lined up that would've taken them out of the luxury tax
- Possibly got less value for CJ to just make him happy
- Values Joe Ingles bird rights even though he looked washed before a season ending knee injury and doesn't want to be here, while also having a $20M cap hold for those bird rights.
- Doesn't have a timeline for his own plan
- Talked up our ability to recruit free agents when we're Portland and it's a terrible free agent class.
- Overvalues Keon Johnson, a 6'3 guard with a standing reach over 5 inches shorter than Norman Powell's
- Talks about pushing Portland's trade chips all-in when Portland's ONLY legitimate trade chips are their 1st this year and a pick from New Orleans that could potentially wind up being Milwaukee's 2025 1st round pick (not good)...

Impressive work. Olshey would be proud.
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You missed about half of it but i guess that is one way of thinking about it.
 
andalusian said:
I would think that multiple off-seasons to get to contender status is reasonable - to have one or two years with Dame still playing like a superstar. I also agree that if we do not look substantially better next year - it is probably time to go for a full rebuild.
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Yeah you got to figure Billups has at least a three year leash to get a team playing his way. You also got to figure at least a couple years to get him players that work in that system.
You have to admit his system is much different that what Stotts was doing and i would say Billups simply was not able to get much out of what he had.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Yeah you got to figure Billups has at least a three year leash to get a team playing his way. You also got to figure at least a couple years to get him players that work in that system.
You have to admit his system is much different that what Stotts was doing and i would say Billups simply was not able to get much out of what he had.
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He’s probably got that leash unless Cronin is replaced by a new GM who wants a different coach.
 
Graduate32 said:
Future firsts, Simons, Little, Hart, Johnson... frankly, more than we had going into last week.
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Really frankly, for a team claiming to be rebuilding around Dame we have quite a bit less than we did last week. We only got one first and if it's for this draft it's iffy if it will help a Dame led team, if it's the Bucks 2025 first then it has little to no chance in helping Dame. Johnson looks so far away that he doesn't look like he'll be contributing wins in the playoffs during Dame's prime. Hart is the only piece that for sure could help Dame but there's a great chance that we won't pick up the option on his contract to create more cap space and Dame never takes the floor with him.

So, even though they weren't good fits with Dame... CJ, Norm, Larry, RoCo, Ant, Little and Nurk brought more wins to the table than what we're currently seeing. If this is for a youth rebuild... we still don't have as much as we had last week. We should have gotten two more firsts than we did out of these deals if we were going to go with this very obscure plan of clearing cap space.
 
e_blazer said:
He’s probably got that leash unless Cronin is replaced by a new GM who wants a different coach.
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I hope they give him enough time to make the team his. I would hate to wonder if he would have been better with more experience. I also would hate seeing him go to another team and do well if they never gave him a chance here.
 
Curious if our play was to get Simmons by cap relief and 1st rounders so Philly could sign Harden in the off season but then the Philly Brooklyn deal went through so fall back was Grant trade and once they asked for two first rounders we backed out. Now we have to hope a team wants to blow it up after a poor post season. I said it earlier there are some teams like Lakers and even Boston who might decide to change things after the season. Players like Brown, Davis might become available
 
One point that I didn't pay much attention to is Cronin specifically brought up an example of using the TPE to bring in players via S&T that make more than the MLE.

Some candidates that could see a starting salary that could fit into our TPE:

- Miles Bridges, maybe we can structure a 4 yr, 100 mil deal with a starting salary around 21 mil. His RFA status is obviously worrisome, and we'd have to make it really difficult for CHA not to match.
- Oladipo, remains to be seen how healthy he can remain, but he can be an All NBA caliber defender as our third guard.
- Bamba, as a potential Nurk replacement. Again, RFA, but it won't take an exorbitant contract to lure him away from Orlando.
 
illmatic99 said:
One point that I didn't pay much attention to is Cronin specifically brought up an example of using the TPE to bring in players via S&T that make more than the MLE.

Some candidates that could see a starting salary that could fit into our TPE:

- Miles Bridges, maybe we can structure a 4 yr, 100 mil deal with a starting salary around 21 mil. His RFA status is obviously worrisome, and we'd have to make it really difficult for CHA not to match.
- Oladipo, remains to be seen how healthy he can remain, but he can be an All NBA caliber defender as our third guard.
- Bamba, as a potential Nurk replacement. Again, RFA, but it won't take an exorbitant contract to lure him away from Orlando.
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In a sign and trade, CHarlotte would obviously have to be on board with not matching anyways. But I think anything we could fit in to our TPE, they'd be happy to offer to him.
 
RR7 said:
In a sign and trade, CHarlotte would obviously have to be on board with not matching anyways. But I think anything we could fit in to our TPE, they'd be happy to offer to him.
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Ya unfortunately we'd probably have to go to true max level to lure him away, and at that point, probably better to use capspace rather than the TPE if we want guys like Bridges/Ayton.
 
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illmatic99 said:
One point that I didn't pay much attention to is Cronin specifically brought up an example of using the TPE to bring in players via S&T that make more than the MLE.

Some candidates that could see a starting salary that could fit into our TPE:


- Bamba, as a potential Nurk replacement. Again, RFA, but it won't take an exorbitant contract to lure him away from Orlando.
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At 6'11 270 does Orlando see Wendell Carter as their center of the future? Hard to think he and Mo can play together.
I would agree that Mo could be had if we overpaid a tad.
 
illmatic99 said:
Ya unfortunately we'd probably have to go to true max level to lure him away, and at that point, probably better to use capspace rather than the TPE if we want guys like Bridges/Ayton.
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I can't imagine Phx or Cha declines to match, even max contracts. So seems like that would waste our cap, exceptions, and early days of free agency. I'm not sure if you can unrenounce exceptions if a RFA is matched.

The trade route is a possibility, I just don't know we have much to offer. I guess Ant or draft picks, but thats a pretty steep price, and we wouldn't have much left to add a 3rd starter, let alone a 4th and 5th.

Dame plus one of them as your two best players doesn't seem close to a contender. I'd move good assets to get a two way star like Jaylen Brown to pair with Dame. Bridges and Ayton are more similar to CJ/Roco/Norm/Nance/Nurk level players than a star IMO.
 
TJ Warren might be the only free agent I would have interest in going above the MLE to sign.

But he hasn't played in 2 years so even that has a lot of risk.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
At 6'11 270 does Orlando see Wendell Carter as their center of the future? Hard to think he and Mo can play together.
I would agree that Mo could be had if we overpaid a tad.
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would you rather have Bamba for 3/40, or Nurk for 4/70?

If we can S&T Nurk for a good wing (I don't care for JG, but Nurk for Grant???), it's something to consider.
 
illmatic99 said:
One point that I didn't pay much attention to is Cronin specifically brought up an example of using the TPE to bring in players via S&T that make more than the MLE.

Some candidates that could see a starting salary that could fit into our TPE:

- Miles Bridges, maybe we can structure a 4 yr, 100 mil deal with a starting salary around 21 mil. His RFA status is obviously worrisome, and we'd have to make it really difficult for CHA not to match.
- Oladipo, remains to be seen how healthy he can remain, but he can be an All NBA caliber defender as our third guard.
- Bamba, as a potential Nurk replacement. Again, RFA, but it won't take an exorbitant contract to lure him away from Orlando.
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What are your thoughts on Davis Bertans?
 
illmatic99 said:
would you rather have Bamba for 3/40, or Nurk for 4/70?

If we can S&T Nurk for a good wing (I don't care for JG, but Nurk for Grant???), it's something to consider.
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If Nurk wanted to go to Detroit, why wouldn't they just sign him outright?
 
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