Cuban wants a deal

[PtldPlatypus]

Wright's advanced stats say he is better than Hickson. I think that qualifies as "legitimate NBA rotation player"

Beaubois first three years in the league (under Stotts) he had Wes Matthews type PER. I think that qualifies as "legitimate NBA rotation player"

Cunningham is a rookie who can play both guard positions and is probably better than anyone on our bench currently

Yes, both Wright and Beaubois are legit, but both are expiring contracts.
Cunningham may well be a rotation player, but he hasn't demonstrated it yet.
I (perhaps unreasonably) want somebody who meets both criteria. None of the three in this proposal do.

 

[illmatic99]

LA would be pissed if that deal went down.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yes, both Wright and Beaubois are legit, but both are expiring contracts.
Cunningham may well be a rotation player, but he hasn't demonstrated it yet.
I (perhaps unreasonably) want somebody who meets both criteria. None of the three in this proposal do.

It's certainly not a no brainer type deal to be sure. What it does give you is two players who are solid rotation guys who you now hold Bird rights to instead of one. You also have two rotation guys who will make much less than the one rotation guy and probably add more to your win production than the one rotation guy does. If you're lucky you get Pekovic in the off season, a mid lottery pick in the draft and go into next season with a line up of

Pekovic/Leonard/Freeland
Aldridge/Wright/Claver
Batum/(Poythress/Porter/McAdoo)
Matthews/Cunningham/Barton
Lillard/Beaubois

That team is a hell of a lot better than this one is defensively

 

[magnifier661]

Yes, both Wright and Beaubois are legit, but both are expiring contracts.
Cunningham may well be a rotation player, but he hasn't demonstrated it yet.
I (perhaps unreasonably) want somebody who meets both criteria. None of the three in this proposal do.

Although we may lose Hickson outright with nothing in return if the market demands a 9-10 mil Hickson contract. I have doubt that Portland would pay that amount with the glaring weaknesses we have at back-up guard and starting center. With this scenario, we get players that can produce and we could most likely keep if they do well. I have faith that 1 of the 3 players will be kept; which is better than nothing.

 

[Mediocre Man]

LA would be pissed if that deal went down.

LA thinks we need a seven footer to help guard the rim...his words, not mine. Why would he be pissed at that deal?

 

[tlongII]

Not a bad deal in my opinion.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I'm not sure that is the case. The Blazers are actually a better rebounding team without Hickson, and if you replace Hickson with Leonard in the 5 man unit our win % goes from 42%-69%

Leonard is not currently playing. When he comes back you will expect some rust and he wasn't playing great to begin with.

Plus you are not taking into account the trickle-down effect. If you put Leonard in the starting lineup then whoever is now playing backup Center is significantly worse.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Leonard is not currently playing. When he comes back you will expect some rust and he wasn't playing great to begin with.

Plus you are not taking into account the trickle-down effect. If you put Leonard in the starting lineup then whoever is now playing backup Center is significantly worse.

Wright would be here. He has a PER in the 20's and blocks significantly more shots than Hickson. He is also a much better defender. Wright at center is +7 vs his opponent

 

[RR7]

Wright's advanced stats say he is better than Hickson. I think that qualifies as "legitimate NBA rotation player"

Wright's stats show his team is worse off with him on the floor as a rebounder than Hickson is. And otherwise having a pretty negligible impact overall.

 

[magnifier661]

Leonard is not currently playing. When he comes back you will expect some rust and he wasn't playing great to begin with.

Plus you are not taking into account the trickle-down effect. If you put Leonard in the starting lineup then whoever is now playing backup Center is significantly worse.

But freeland has been playing back-up center now, so we are currently seeing what that back-up is doing for us. And keep in mind that the deal would be sending a center back to us. I remember watching Wright and his raw athletic ability. He isn't a "OMG we have our answer at center"; but he could be a very decent role player on the defensive end; plus he and Leonard could be a very decent 1-2 option at center.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Wright's stats show his team is worse off with him on the floor as a rebounder than Hickson is. And otherwise having a pretty negligible impact overall.

His on/off floor numbers lead the Mavs

 

[magnifier661]

Wright's stats show his team is worse off with him on the floor as a rebounder than Hickson is. And otherwise having a pretty negligible impact overall.

Not that I disagree but I would like to see the link explaining this.

 

[RR7]

It's certainly not a no brainer type deal to be sure. What it does give you is two players who are solid rotation guys who you now hold Bird rights to instead of one. You also have two rotation guys who will make much less than the one rotation guy and probably add more to your win production than the one rotation guy does. If you're lucky you get Pekovic in the off season, a mid lottery pick in the draft and go into next season with a line up of

Pekovic/Leonard/Freeland
Aldridge/Wright/Claver
Batum/(Poythress/Porter/McAdoo)
Matthews/Cunningham/Barton
Lillard/Beaubois

That team is a hell of a lot better than this one is defensively

I don't see how you're anywhere near affording Pekovic when you've added a alotto pick, Cunningham, Beaubois and Wright to the team. Funny math.

 

[RR7]

His on/off floor numbers lead the Mavs

for rebounding?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Wright would be here. He has a PER in the 20's and blocks significantly more shots than Hickson. He is also a much better defender. Wright at center is +7 vs his opponent

I said:
It is only true depending on who you replace him with.

If he went down tonight for the rest of the Season and you could only start Jeffries or bring in a D-League guy then it is not true.

If you swapped in someone via trade then it can be true.

We lose a lot more games this year if Hickson goes down and is out the Season.

And you said:

I'm not sure that is the case. The Blazers are actually a better rebounding team without Hickson, and if you replace Hickson with Leonard in the 5 man unit our win % goes from 42%-69%

So are you backing off what you said or are we now agreeing?

 

[magnifier661]

Well since no one is linking, the ESPN insider has a write up on Brandan Wright.

Scouting report
+ Long lefty with accurate short-range shot. Good finisher but no post game.
+ Big and talented, but hugely injury-prone. Motivation has been questioned.
+ Lacks strength, poor rebounder. Blocks shots but overall defense needs work.

Analysis
Wright stayed healthy for the first time in his career and became perhaps the league's best free-agent signing per dollar as a result. With his length and soft touch, Wright has always been able to convert near the rim and did so again, hitting 61.8 percent from the floor last season -- including an impressive 76.1 percent at the rim -- and pumping in 17.2 points per 40 minutes. Wright finished third among centers in TS%, while sporting the second-lowest turnover ratio. That's a tough combo to beat.

Dallas also figured out some ways to hide Wright on defense, using him in zones or situations when the opponent didn't have a physical post player. Nonetheless, he still needs a lot of work here. He blocks shots in bunches, sending back 3.19 per 40 minutes to rank fourth among centers last season, but his lack of physicality is a major negative.

He also was one of only two players to play at least 500 minutes without drawing an offensive foul (Terrence Williams was the other). Meanwhile, opposing centers had a 20.7 PER with Wright on the court, according to 82games.com, and he was 58th out of 63 centers in rebound rate.

So in otherwords, he falls in the same boat as Hickson. He may give you good numbers; but he also allows his opponent to get around the same. And 58th our of 63 centers rank on rebounding rates?!?! Yikes!!!!

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't see how you're anywhere near affording Pekovic when you've added a alotto pick, Cunningham, Beaubois and Wright to the team. Funny math.

We can go over the cap to resign Wright and Beaubois...right? Cap holds would be 4 million total, maybe? Ya, that would not work cause that would leave us at maximum 10 million

 

[noknobs]

That trade is horrible, short-term, long-term, every term.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I personally feel this thread is getting too much attention, It was just an idea. Far better than losing him for nothing or overpaying him to back up Aldridge

 

[KeepOnRollin]

But freeland has been playing back-up center now, so we are currently seeing what that back-up is doing for us. And keep in mind that the deal would be sending a center back to us. I remember watching Wright and his raw athletic ability. He isn't a "OMG we have our answer at center"; but he could be a very decent role player on the defensive end; plus he and Leonard could be a very decent 1-2 option at center.

I don't think that is true.

http://www.82games.com/1213/1213POR2.HTM

Freeland has been coming in and giving Aldridge a breather more then double the time that he could come in for Hickson. Freeland is paired with Hickson not on the court when he is sitting out.

 

[Mediocre Man]

That trade is horrible, short-term, long-term, every term.

Cool, what would be better, in your opinion

 

[RR7]

I personally feel this thread is getting too much attention, It was just an idea. Far better than losing him for nothing or overpaying him to back up Aldridge

I'm all about finding good value. However, the better value might be letting him walk and securing cap space over backups and other expirings. If it's a high upside backup? Ok. I don't think Cunningham is that. Intriguing, but...meh.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Does Wright move the needle?
It's actually a serious question.

 

[magnifier661]

Cool, what would be better, in your opinion

Okafor?

 

[noknobs]

I personally feel this thread is getting too much attention, It was just an idea. Far better than losing him for nothing or overpaying him to back up Aldridge

That's debatable as well if capspace can get you a guy like Pek.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I don't see how you're anywhere near affording Pekovic when you've added a alotto pick, Cunningham, Beaubois and Wright to the team. Funny math.

Roddy's cap hold $5.5M would be the biggest obstacle. Best case scenario would be to re-sign him to a new 3-year deal with a $2.5M base, and renounce everyone else except Wright. Existing players (including Cunningham) would total $44.4M. Beaubois, #1 pick, and Wright are another $5.6. Would give us about $10M to throw at Pek (assuming a $60M cap). Might be enough, might not.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

For Pek it wouldn't be enough. Someone would offer more.

 

[magnifier661]

For Pek it wouldn't be enough. Someone would offer more.

He's getting 12 mil per. Looking around, that's the rate with the size tax.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Does Wright move the needle?
It's actually a serious question.

Probably not, but like with Mozgov, it gives you a few months to find out if any of them will.

 

[Mediocre Man]

He's getting 12 mil per. Looking around, that's the rate with the size tax.

Ya, it will be a max type deal